Is racism, misogyny and xenophobia becoming the norm again?

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 06:25PM #1

Living in post Brexit UK it struck me how few people just came out and called Farage for what he was, a xenophobe and arguably racist character. Trump, a racist misogynist by many accounts who bragged about sexual assault was elected but many seem to be happy with this. All politics aside has racism and xenophobia come to the forefront and are less people likely to call it for what it is?

I understand large parts of the UK and USA are disenfranchised. I grew up in real poverty myself (as opposed to some loose definitions) so I understand what it is to be disenfranchised however I don't buy that argument when people use it to support racist or xenophobic people like Trump and Farage. It isn't backing anti-establishment it's backing racism.

I'm the first to state that some people are looking for misogyny or xenophobia when there is none but it's fair to say a man bragging about sexual assault, a judge being Mexican and Farage complaining about Romanian neighbors isn't a case of me being oversensitive. E.G I don't think talking about immigration or talking about a scientists wearing a shirt with women on it however this latest movement clearly is.

Why is all this on the rise again?

Too Tough To Die · 16-11-2016 06:28PM

No.

16-11-2016 06:30PM

Nope.

Mr Joe · 16-11-2016 06:32PM

Yawn. Just another poorly disguised attempt to abuse Farage and Trump. Why not use one of the many other threads for your moral outrage. People like you have rendered words like racist and misogynist pretty much meangingless at this stage, the way you throw them about at will. It's all your ilk has left to offer.

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 06:35PM

Mr Joe wrote: »

Yawn. Just another poorly disguised attempt to abuse Farage and Trump. Why not use one of the many other threads for your moral outrage. People like you have rendered words like racist and misogynist pretty much meangingless at this stage, the way you throw them about at will. It's all your ilk has left to offer.

He (Trump) bragged about sexually assaulting women. What would he have to do to make him a misogynist?

Grayson · 16-11-2016 06:37PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

He (Trump) bragged about sexually assaulting women. What would he have to do to make him a misogynist?

Start rating them out of 10?

beks101 · 16-11-2016 06:37PM

In before "SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES" rabble rabble rabble...

Mr Joe · 16-11-2016 06:38PM

beks101 wrote: »

In before "SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES" rabble rabble rabble...

Shame this thread is just "RACIST, SEXIST, MISOGYNIST," rabble rabble

Saipanne · 16-11-2016 06:39PM

It's a rebound to the lunacy of the social justice crowd.

Jimoslimos · 16-11-2016 06:39PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I understand large parts of the UK and USA are disenfranchised. I grew up in real poverty myself (as opposed to some loose definitions) so I understand what it is to be disenfranchised however I don't buy that argument when people use it to support racist or xenophobic people like Trump and Farage. It isn't backing anti-establishment it's backing racism.

Yeah I've often struggled to see the anti-establishment credentials of a billionaire real-estate dealer and an ex City trader.

aidan203 · 16-11-2016 06:40PM

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Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 06:40PM

Saipanne wrote: »

It's a rebound to the lunacy of the social justice crowd.

I don't get it though. Social justice have their loonies but voting for a man who brags about sexually women is a rebound to that how?

suicide_circus · 16-11-2016 06:41PM

Ideas of equality, tolerance, multiculturalism are all fine until they become policy - once they become politically mandated you instantly create resistance. Not only that, they are extremely new in the grand scheme of humanity and are as such "untested". They feel intuitively right to us educated and socially indoctrinated westerners but not everyone feels the same. We do not have the monopoly on truth or ethics.

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 06:41PM

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Yeah I've often struggled to see the anti-establishment credentials of a billionaire real-estate dealer and an ex City trader.

This is my view exactly. How is a man who inherited millions and a former hedge fund manager anti establishment?

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 06:42PM

Ignoring Trump and Farage you only have to look at some of the headlines in the UK tabloids to see that xenophobia is becoming more prevalent.

ScumLord · 16-11-2016 06:42PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Living in post Brexit UK it struck me how few people just came out and called Farage for what he was, a xenophobe and arguably racist character.

I don't know what Farage is saying, I ignore him.

Maybe Trump and Brexit will work out in the end. Either they'll live up to the hype and make positive changes, or they'll fail miserably and the nostalgics that support these people will learn a valuable lesson.

The most likely scenario is probably that nothing will change, trump and Farge are not emperors, they can only do so much.

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 06:45PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't know what Farage is saying, I ignore him.

Maybe Trump and Brexit will work out in the end. Either they'll live up to the hype and make positive changes, or they'll fail miserably and the nostalgics that support these people will learn a valuable lesson.

The most likely scenario is probably that nothing will change, trump and Farge are not emperors, they can only do so much.

It's not the people, it's the sentiment of those people who support them despite their views. It's worrying how it's becoming the norm or unchallenged.

brevity · 16-11-2016 06:45PM

I think this sort of stuff is always there but comes around in a more noticeable fashion every generation.

Mr Joe · 16-11-2016 06:46PM

Saipanne wrote: »

It's a rebound to the lunacy of the social justice crowd.

They don't understand that, and are just doubling down in their rhetoric as this thread shows.

16-11-2016 06:47PM

I don't think they are becoming the norm, I don't see a return to the days of the 80s, homosexuality criminalised, Ethiopian jokes doing the rounds etc.

But there certainly seems to be a fight back from conservative elements, and that has seen some ugly figures elevated beyond their abilities on the basis (however far fetched) that they are anti establishment and promise change.

K-9 · 16-11-2016 06:47PM

Err, Farage and Trump were called out on xenophobia etc.

But, I'll call you triggered, generation snowflake, SJWs in a totally lacking of self awareness way!

brevity · 16-11-2016 06:47PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

It's not the people, it's the sentiment of those people who support them despite their views. It's worrying how it's becoming the norm or unchallenged.

People challenge them but are called SJW/Libtards/traitors etc... it's grim at the moment alright. They anonymity of the internet is another factor.

diomed · 16-11-2016 06:48PM

The moral high ground is getting overcrowded.

midnight city · 16-11-2016 06:48PM

What trump was describing in his oafish sort of way was basically lobbing the gob on women and once he wasn't rejected he would then start with the wandering hands. Listening to the audio it doesn't seem to be a case of grabbing a woman by the pussy out of the blue.

Mantis Toboggan · 16-11-2016 06:50PM

There should be a site ban for any SJW at this stage. Either that or separate forum and throw the PC brigade in with them.

looksee · 16-11-2016 06:50PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

This is my view exactly. How is a man who inherited millions and a former hedge fund manager anti establishment?

Well he doesn't want to / doesn't pay tax, or if he does he is very secretive about it, I would say that makes him anti-establishment

A Little Pony · 16-11-2016 06:51PM

Always been normal up in these parts, we are just a rugged people.

brevity · 16-11-2016 06:52PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Always been normal up in these parts, we are just a rugged people.

It's probably the inbreeding.

steddyeddy · 16-11-2016 06:54PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Always been normal up in these parts, we are just a rugged people.

I'm not talking about unionism. I'm talking about normal progressive people backing racists and xenophobes.

K-9 · 16-11-2016 06:54PM

Tyson Fury wrote: »

There should be a site ban for any SJW at this stage. Either that or separate forum and throw the PC brigade in with them.

And the alt righters. Whoever is offended and outraged enough wins.

A Little Pony · 16-11-2016 06:55PM

brevity wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Always been normal up in these parts, we are just a rugged people.

It's probably the inbreeding.

Always surprises me when people say they are shocked to hear such views. Do people live underground or something?

Is racism, misogyny and xenophobia becoming the norm again?

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