Louise O Neill on rape culture.

Mortpourvelo · 16-11-2016 09:51AM

darkdubh wrote: »

Brian Hennessy is not due out soon.

Nevin paid someone to kill her husband for her own financial gain. Just because she didn't pull the trigger herself doesn't mean she's innocent of murder.

One of the Mulhall sisters was convicted of murder and the other of manslaughter

Hennessy is up for parole in January. Point is he COULD get out, should not be an option.

Nevin deserved jail. Did she deserve three times as long as someone who attacked his wife for the money - which he ultimately got. Do we not have the Son of Sam law or similar where you can't profit from your own crime ?

The Mulhalls also deserve jail, no argument - but the length of time is more than the killers of innocent people get.

Not on.

kunst nugget · 16-11-2016 09:53AM

me_right_one wrote: »

My understanding of a slapper is someone who's overtly promiscuous, and wants everyone to know it.

The thing is people will label women slappers for the most tenuous reasons to try and shame them. I remember when I was younger girls as young as 12 or 13 being called slappers for having the temerity to kiss 2 different boys a couple of weeks apart. And once a girl was labeled a slapper there was no way she was losing that. It's a manky term used mainly by shítheads imo.

Mortpourvelo · 16-11-2016 09:56AM

me_right_one wrote: »

The same goes for women. Women are supposed to be feminine / sexy

What the actual bollix is this ??????

So instead of going the match this weekend and talking to the lads, I should be acting like a Jane Austen heroine and saying "unhand me sir lest I get the vapours!!"

Dear. God.

Sonics2k · 16-11-2016 10:00AM

me_right_one wrote: »

The same goes for women. Women are supposed to be feminine / sexy. A

Listen man, unless you are quite literally Hafthor Bjornsson don't be throwing out crap like that.

That is some absolute grade A gibberish all piled into one post.

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2016 10:02AM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Hennessy is up for parole in January. Point is he COULD get out, should not be an option.

Nevin deserved jail. Did she deserve three times as long as someone who attacked his wife for the money - which he ultimately got. Do we not have the Son of Sam law or similar where you can't profit from your own crime ?

The Mulhalls also deserve jail, no argument - but the length of time is more than the killers of innocent people get.

Not on.

I think you are confused. he didnt inherit any money from the wife he killed. that all went to their daughter. The money he has was already his before he killed his wife.

Ineedaname · 16-11-2016 10:11AM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Hennessy is up for parole in January. Point is he COULD get out, should not be an option.

Nevin deserved jail. Did she deserve three times as long as someone who attacked his wife for the money - which he ultimately got. Do we not have the Son of Sam law or similar where you can't profit from your own crime ?

The Mulhalls also deserve jail, no argument - but the length of time is more than the killers of innocent people get.

Not on.

Being eligible for parole and actually getting it are worlds apart.

There isn't a hope in hell of Hennessy getting out.

kunst nugget · 16-11-2016 10:12AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think you are confused. he didnt inherit any money from the wife he killed. that all went to their daughter. The money he has was already his before he killed his wife.

I don't think that's strictly true. With any properties they jointly owned, the full interest automatically passed to him as the surviving member and does not become part of the deceased's estate. So yes, while he technically didn't inherit from her estate, he did profit from her death from receiving full ownership of any properties or businesses they jointly owned.

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2016 10:19AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

I don't think that's strictly true. With any properties they jointly owned, the full interest automatically passed to him as the surviving member and does not become part of the deceased's estate. So yes, while he technically didn't inherit from her estate, he did profit from her death from receiving full ownership of any properties or businesses they jointly owned.

her estate went to the daughter. that included her shares of the homes they owned and the business.

snotboogie · 16-11-2016 10:20AM

Widdershins wrote: »

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

You know, instead of whining about perceived grievances and inequality, I really wish the likes of Mulally and O'Brien would cop the f**k on about ACTUAL inequality.

Eamon Lillis - staves in the wife's head with a brick, gets 6 years and inherits from same wife
Brian Hennessy - raped woman, left her and two children to die in a fire on Christmas Day - seven years in jail and due out soon.

Meanwhile Catherine Nevin has done (so far) 16 years and will likely die in jail
The Mulhall sisters - still in jail after what ? 10 years ? For helping dispose of the body of a rapist ???

Plus both - and others - given stupid nicknames by the papers to further demonise them.

Yeah murder deserves a stretch of AT LEAST 15-20 years. But to give someone 6 and they can inherit whilst someone who didn't even carry out the killing gets 15 ? Something else other than justice is going on here.

So, whilst you "feminists" are bleating on about the right to dress like a slapper, give someone a lapdance in public and THEN act like the victim - actual injustices are being carried out on women.

I'm wondering about the Slapper bit. Always wondered what it meant. Someone who makes it too obvious that they enjoy sex, somehow? Someone in revealing clothing? It does bug me slightly that there's no male equivalent. Not that there should be. I'd prefer if there was no such term for either gender, but it suggests to me that we do hold women to a different standard.

Unlike Louise I do believe there's such a thing as appropriate dress.

F*** Boy. All the young people use the term.

kunst nugget · 16-11-2016 10:25AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

her estate went to the daughter. that included her shares of the homes they owned and the business.

Her estate went to her daughter but the properties that were jointly owned by Cawley and Lillis did not become part of her estate. An insane situation.

Under the 1965 Succession Act, killers can not normally inherit any part of the estate of the person they have murdered, attempted to murder or killed in circumstances amounting to murder.

Lillis was convicted of manslaughter. But the law states that where a killer has held a joint tenancy with the deceased, the full interest automatically passes to the surviving joint owner.
The property does not become part of the dead person's estate, even if the surviving owner killed their joint tenant.

In 2011, the High Court ruled that Rowan Hill did not form part of her estate. But the judge ruled that Celine's share of the home should be held on trust for their daughter Georgia.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/wifekiller-eamonn-lillis-now-a-millionaire-thanks-to-tragic-celine-cawley-31131381.html

Advbrd · 16-11-2016 10:26AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

The thing is people will label women slappers for the most tenuous reasons to try and shame them. I remember when I was younger girls as young as 12 or 13 being called slappers for having the temerity to kiss 2 different boys a couple of weeks apart. And once a girl was labeled a slapper there was no way she was losing that. It's a manky term used mainly by shítheads imo.

There is no such thing as a slapper. Have fun people.

jimgoose · 16-11-2016 10:27AM

Advbrd wrote: »

There is no such thing as a slapper. Have fun people.

I think small boys define a "slapper" as a girl who kisses someone else but not them. :pac:

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2016 10:29AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Her estate went to her daughter but the properties that were jointly owned by Cawley and Lillis did not become part of her estate. An insane situation.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/wifekiller-eamonn-lillis-now-a-millionaire-thanks-to-tragic-celine-cawley-31131381.html

so her share of the home did go the to the daughter. and he didnt get the french property. he did get another of the homes though. i was partly right

Advbrd · 16-11-2016 10:30AM

jimgoose wrote: »

I think small boys define a "slapper" as a girl who kisses someone else but not them. :pac:

Sadly, small boys grow up to be small men.

padd b1975 · 16-11-2016 10:34AM

_Jamie_ wrote: »

I don't know what point you are making here? That top is not akin to going around naked. It's a fashionable top.

Two fried eggs in a hankie.

jimgoose · 16-11-2016 11:18AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Two fried eggs in a hankie.

Therein lies the problem. The only issue I have with that top is that it doesn't suit that young lady - she doesn't have the bust for it.

16-11-2016 11:23AM

jimgoose wrote: »

Therein lies the problem. The only issue I have with that top is that it doesn't suit that young lady - she doesn't have the bust for it.

Watch out she'll be writing her next article on you 'oppressing' her

jimgoose · 16-11-2016 11:25AM

Sasha Wide Squash wrote: »

Watch out she'll be writing her next article on you 'oppressing' her ðŸ˜‚

And she still won't have the bust for that top, and it will still make her look like a flagpole on a still day. The World is truly a harsh and beautiful place.

Widdershins · 16-11-2016 11:31AM

Now I remember. The last time I heard someone using 'Slapper' was when I asked who the new girl at secondary school was. ''That's Mary. She's a slapper.''Apparently she had kissed/been kissed by the boy my friend had her eye on.
Interestingly, some girls were also labeled by other girls as ''frigid'' (based on what, I never found out) . We were all about 14 or 15!

I don't care what anyone says, ''slut-shaming'' is real.

midlandsmissus · 16-11-2016 11:33AM

But if we're telling women to cover up, aren't we descending into Muslim territory?

Who has the right to control what anyone else wears?

jimgoose · 16-11-2016 11:33AM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

But if we're telling women to cover up, aren't we descending into Muslim territory?

Who has the right to control what anyone else wears?

No-one. Except the almighty John Rocha!

Widdershins · 16-11-2016 11:37AM

No need to go out wearing something peculiar for the day that's in it just to prove a point either. It obviously goes over peoples' heads anyway. I suppose that's what happens when people like Louise are so extreme about everything.

MeatTwoVeg · 16-11-2016 11:37AM

me_right_one wrote:

Now imagine having that feeling 24/7, 365. Imagine the level of testosterone it takes to make hair spring out from your face. THAT is what it feels like to be a man. The horniest you've ever been is about the same level of horniess your 12 year old son feels when you bend down to kiss him goodnight and he sees your bra.

I know it wasn't the intention, but that whole post gave me one of the best laughs in weeks.

Bravo Sir.

Snakeblood · 16-11-2016 11:57AM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Who has the right to control what anyone else wears?

Parents.

blue note · 16-11-2016 12:13PM

me_right_one wrote: »

I hate to be the one to break it to ya, but.......:pac:

In fairness, most young wans you'd meet in nightclubs would be on the pull themselves, and have indeed been around!

I jest, of course! It all depends on the degree to which the revealing items are worn. If they're classy and feminine, grand. But as you say, fishnets and a miniskirt, well lets just say there's a reason your dad will say "YOU'RE NOT GOING OUT DRESSED LIKE THAT!!!"

I am convinced women dont know the power they have over men. The hormone that makes you horny (for both men AND women) is testosterone. Now ladies, imagine the horniest you've ever been. In your entire life. Think of the lengths you wouldve gone to to satisfy that urge. And you only produce about one thousandth of the amount of testosterone a man produces.

Now imagine having that feeling 24/7, 365. Imagine the level of testosterone it takes to make hair spring out from your face. THAT is what it feels like to be a man. The horniest you've ever been is about the same level of horniess your 12 year old son feels when you bend down to kiss him goodnight and he sees your bra.

So ladies, impressions are important. Men are supposed to be manly, but real men can control it. A low caliber man is Ryan Tubrity - looks weak, meek personality, but ok. More like a pet. A good calibre man would be a GAA All-Ireland type man / Jason Statham. A gone-too-far-with-the-manliness is Conor McGregor - all mouth, all show, no integrity, obvious the self-esteem is zero.

The same goes for women. Women are supposed to be feminine / sexy. A weakly feminine / sexy woman (in my eyes) would be Louise O'Neill - nothing wrong with her looks, but she'd absolutely melt your head. Thats not sexy. A good fem / sexy woman would be Grainne Seoige - looks great, confident, friendly. And a gone-waaay-into-slapper-territory would be Madonna. Again, you'd just know she had self-esteem issues in there somewhere.

So to wrap up my rant: If I was minding my own business, keeping my manliness in check as is my responsibility to do, and I saw an obnoxious, loudmouthed, tattoo covered "hard man" throwing his weight around to make himself feel big, I'd think "what a knob-head". Now lets say someone decks him, you'd think "he was asking for it", wouldn't you! Of course nobody deserves that, but you could definitely understand how it happened.

I'm not excusing rapists whatsoever, but the same applies to women. You own the outward image you convey. Of course you have every right to dress how you want, but please apply some common sense. Do so armed with the knowledge that men are turned on by you, to an intensity you will never be able to understand - and that some bad men will forcibly act on their urges.

That post is ridiculous.... And got lots of response..... Have you considered applying for a job with the Irish examiner?

gizmo555 · 16-11-2016 12:26PM

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

Hennessy is up for parole in January. Point is he COULD get out, should not be an option.

Nevin deserved jail. Did she deserve three times as long as someone who attacked his wife for the money - which he ultimately got. Do we not have the Son of Sam law or similar where you can't profit from your own crime ?

The Mulhalls also deserve jail, no argument - but the length of time is more than the killers of innocent people get.

Not on.

What about Norma Cotter, who slaughtered her husband as he slept with a shotgun and received only a manslaughter conviction and a 3 1/2 year sentence? Part of the judge's rationale for the light sentence was that she had two children to care for - children whose father she had shot dead because he objected to her coming home drunk and puking in their bedroom.

It is inconceivable that if the roles were reversed her husband would have escaped a murder conviction, still less retained custody of their children.

Outlaw Pete · 16-11-2016 12:33PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Who has the right to control what anyone else wears?

If a man wrote a book about male gang rape.. I'd think it was inappropriate if they dressed like a member of Right Said Fred when doing interviews regarding the book and attempting to get a discussion going on such a serious topic . It's not about "control" .. it's about suitable attire. Swimmers at the Olympics stride around in their underwear, but have you ever heard someone castigating them for that? Of course not because the clothing is something which is appropriate for that occasion.

People should of course be able to wear what the hell they want to wear but there are suitable ways of dressing for certain occasions, for both men and women, and while we should have the right to always make that choice ourselves (outside of certain employments) it is not unreasonable to infer disrespect or an ulterior motive when someone dresses in a way which we in western society deem to be largely unsuitable for specific settings. Go to a funeral a white party dress or a white suit for example and you're going to garner some negative reactions. To complain about such reactions afterwards is either indicative of someone being extremely naive or someone playing dumb to avoid being called out for nefarious calculation.

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2016 12:34PM

gizmo555 wrote: »

What about Norma Cotter, who slaughtered her husband as he slept with a shotgun and received only a manslaughter conviction and a 3 1/2 year sentence? Part of the judge's rationale for the light sentence was that she had two children to care for - children whose father she had shot dead because he objected to her coming home drunk and puking in their bedroom.

It is inconceivable that if the roles were reversed her husband would have escaped a murder conviction, still less retained custody of their children.

is that not a bit like Lizzie Borden asking for leniency because she was an orphan?

BoatMad · 16-11-2016 12:42PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

The thing is people will label women slappers for the most tenuous reasons to try and shame them. I remember when I was younger girls as young as 12 or 13 being called slappers for having the temerity to kiss 2 different boys a couple of weeks apart. And once a girl was labeled a slapper there was no way she was losing that. It's a manky term used mainly by shítheads imo.

in my experience the term is used by women far more then men , to describe other women

Mortpourvelo · 16-11-2016 12:51PM

There’s a case going through court in the UK at the moment where the woman actively pursued the bloke, had sex twice – and DURING the third encounter said no as she saw a mobile and thought he was going to film her.

This is making a mockery of the rape laws.

Louise O Neill on rape culture.

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