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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #2132
    Dero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭Dero


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    The other thing to keep in mind is that 40Gb/s PON has already been demonstrated in real-world conditions, which only requires changing the optics at each end. The fibre won't have to be replaced any time soon.

    This is the real beauty of putting in fibre all the way. It's the only thing that is remotely future proofed (not eternally, but for a good long while yet).


  • #2133
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    I was passing through Kells, Co Meath yesterday on the R163. Some of the poles seemed to have fibre coils on them. I've just tried a local number on the eir site and got the message that 1000Mb fibre may be available. So it looks like part of Kells which has a Winter 2016 date may be going live in the near future.


  • #2134
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I've just tried a local number on the eir site and got the message that 1000Mb fibre may be available. So it looks like part of Kells which has a Winter 2016 date may be going live in the near future.

    I think that message is kinda generic, that message is showing up for some places here that have no blue line and my line is the only number on my road not getting that message, the 2 houses at the end my road past my house get that message and every other house before mine.


  • #2135
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I think that message is kinda generic, that message is showing up for some places here that have no blue line and my line is the only number on my road not getting that message, the 2 houses at the end my road past my house get that message and every other house before mine.

    I assume it takes the number then checks the exchange it is tied to so Dunshaughlin in your case. If there is FTTH anywhere in the exchange area you will get the available message. The actual availability for a specific premises is done by the Eircode check.


  • #2136
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I assume it takes the number then checks the exchange it is tied to so Dunshaughlin in your case. If there is FTTH anywhere in the exchange area you will get the available message. The actual availability for a specific premises is done by the Eircode check.

    wonder why im not getting the message, I got it when they first introduced it but 2 days later it disappeared. Im not concerned anyway as the 2 houses past mine has the message and the fiber has to go past my front gate in order to get to them.


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  • #2137
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Gonzo wrote: »
    wonder why im not getting the message, I got it when they first introduced it but 2 days later it disappeared. Im not concerned anyway as the 2 houses past mine has the message and the fiber has to go past my front gate in order to get to them.

    That is peculiar alright. Is there any sign of the men back working in your area?


  • #2138
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    That is peculiar alright. Is there any sign of the men back working in your area?

    they were back last week doing half days on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday working about 700 meters away on the ducting again. They haven't been back since Friday morning but have left a large reel of fiber at the bottom of my road. Today they are working on the bog road and the ratoath-dunshaughlin road.


  • #2139
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,086 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Gonzo wrote: »
    they were back last week doing half days on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday working about 700 meters away on the ducting again. They haven't been back since Friday morning but have left a large reel of fiber at the bottom of my road. Today they are working on the bog road and the ratoath-dunshaughlin road.

    If that disappears we know whose house will have a fibre network!

    :D:D


  • #2140
    Gwynston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    Does anyone else find it a bit odd that quite a few of these updates from people report the workmen coming and going on various days and leaving reels and coils of (valuable?) cable behind for future visits?

    Isn't anything left lying about in the countryside likely to get nicked? :eek:

    Not that anyone on this thread would do so - we all have a vested interest in them being used for the inteded purpose! :P


  • #2141
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    If that disappears we know whose house will have a fibre network!

    :D:D

    hopefully nobody takes it, surprised they left it there in the open since Friday afternoon, anyone could just drive up and put it in their car.


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  • #2142
    Gwynston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    Wot I said.... :p


  • #2143
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Gwynston wrote: »
    Does anyone else find it a bit odd that quite a few of these updates from people report the workmen coming and going on various days and leaving reels and coils of (valuable?) cable behind for future visits?

    Isn't anything left lying about in the countryside likely to get nicked? :eek:

    Not that anyone on this thread would do so - we all have a vested interest in them being used for the inteded purpose! :P

    I assume it is rather heavy and also unlike copper I believe it has little resale value so would not be as attractive to thieves.


  • #2144
    long_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭long_b


    Sure maybe we might just not post photos of big rolls of shtuff?


  • #2145
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I assume it is rather heavy and also unlike copper I believe it has little resale value so would not be as attractive to thieves.

    Yeah cash for copper/gold/any feckin metal not for glass!:D


  • #2146
    Falcon L
    Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Falcon L


    Gwynston wrote: »
    Does anyone else find it a bit odd that quite a few of these updates from people report the workmen coming and going on various days and leaving reels and coils of (valuable?) cable behind for future visits?

    Isn't anything left lying about in the countryside likely to get nicked? :eek:

    Not that anyone on this thread would do so - we all have a vested interest in them being used for the inteded purpose! :P
    That stuff in the picture is just ducting.


  • #2147
    Gwynston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    damienirel wrote: »
    Yeah cash for copper/gold/any feckin metal not for glass!:D

    But yer average toe-rag who happens upon a reel of 'cable' in the ditch probably wouldn't know the difference and swipe it anyway - only to find out later on it's no use to him.... :rolleyes:


  • #2148
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Falcon L wrote: »
    That stuff in the picture is just ducting.

    You're right. The 20/16 marking on it is the same as the ducting I saw.


  • #2149
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    Siro, a joint venture between Vodafone and the ESB, claims to have 36,500 homes connectable to fibre broadband speeds of up to 1,000Mbs. Eir's fibre connection figures are thought to be at a similar level.

    A spokesman for Eir said that 35,000 extra rural homes would get fibre broadband by the end of 2016, with 300,000 homes getting it by the end of 2018.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/disgrace-of-rural-broadband-as-one-in-three-struggles-just-to-get-email-35216086.html

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/bad-broadband-forcing-workers-to-move-to-cities-35216401.html

    http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/lack-of-internet-access-no-longer-a-firstworld-problem-to-be-sneered-at-35216087.html


  • #2150
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    KOR101 wrote: »


    A spokesman for Eir said that 35,000 extra rural homes would get fibre broadband by the end of 2016, with 300,000 homes getting it by the end of 2018.

    They are going to connect an extra 35,000 premises within the next 4 to 5 weeks? (assuming no work will be carried out Christmas week to January 2nd)


  • #2151
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭rob808


    KOR101 wrote: »
    Siro, a joint venture between Vodafone and the ESB, claims to have 36,500 homes connectable to fibre broadband speeds of up to 1,000Mbs. Eir's fibre connection figures are thought to be at a similar level.

    A spokesman for Eir said that 35,000 extra rural homes would get fibre broadband by the end of 2016, with 300,000 homes getting it by the end of 2018.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/disgrace-of-rural-broadband-as-one-in-three-struggles-just-to-get-email-35216086.html

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/bad-broadband-forcing-workers-to-move-to-cities-35216401.html

    http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/lack-of-internet-access-no-longer-a-firstworld-problem-to-be-sneered-at-35216087.html
    This put Eir in a good position given that the NBP not likely gona start till early 2018.I say by that time Eir will have 200,000 homes pass given them advantage over siro and Enet.I know Enet would use Eir pole if they won a contract just how would siro do it from scratch if Eir has Fibre in rural areas already.


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  • #2152
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Gonzo wrote: »
    They are going to connect an extra 35,000 premises within the next 4 to 5 weeks? (assuming no work will be carried out Christmas week to January 2nd)

    Will they not use the old chestnut "premises passed" figure? Even that seems optimistic.


  • #2153
    Gwynston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    A big tease for me this morning: I spotted a KN van!
    The twist: It was outside my place of work in one of the most modern, hi-tech business parks in Galway. Hardly in need of broadband!

    I felt like going over to the lads and telling them to get their arses out to the country near where I live and start wiring up the poles!


  • #2154
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    damienirel wrote: »
    Will they not use the old chestnut "premises passed" figure? Even that seems optimistic.

    considering since they first started passing premises in September for the rural rollout they have achieved just over 1,000 premises passed over the past 2 months, how are they gonna pass 35,000 in the next 4 weeks!

    They would need to fully complete 40+ fully live exchanges in the next month to pass that number. We know that's not gonna happen based on the current speed of roll-out so why say these numbers in a newspaper article.

    that's 1/3rd of the initial rollout to be completed between now and christmas. With all the best intentions in the world I can't see this happening. We will probably see no more than another 5,000 between now and January and even that would be good going.


  • #2155
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Gonzo wrote: »
    considering since they first started passing premises in September for the rural rollout they have achieved just over 1,000 premises passed over the past 2 months, how are they gonna pass 35,000 in the next 4 weeks!

    They would need to fully complete 40+ fully live exchanges in the next month to pass that number. We know that's not gonna happen based on the current speed of roll-out so why say these numbers in a newspaper article.

    that's 1/3rd of the initial rollout to be completed between now and christmas. With all the best intentions in the world I can't see this happening. We will probably see no more than another 5,000 between now and January and even that would be good going.

    Yeah I dunno why they are making such "yuge" claims - weird how we don't have journalists to pull them up on such glaringly obvious falsities. News sources seem to be less reliable than ever. I know a lot more about the "actual fibre rollout" from here. The "fibre rollout" that's in the news means that I'm already connected and so are all my neighbours! and if not I'll be connected next week.


  • #2156
    legocrazy505
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭legocrazy505


    While I admire their enthusiasm they really need to be educating the general public on how big this task is. The media and the general populace seem to have it in their head that they need fibre and they need it today. That's just not feasible. Until Eir starts talking realistically the NBP will continue to be under pressure from numpties who want mobile broadband or for the NBP to be replaced by the same ****ing thing. Looking at you Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein!

    35,000 homes within a month is not feasible at all, just seems more like "oh look here, we should get the NBP" and also some nice PR to get away from the fact that FTTH to rural Ireland will actually take longer than people originally expected.

    I call bull**** until I see it happening.


  • #2157
    daraghwal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    How do schools get this and nobody else around them has anything like it? Faster than 98% of IE and the house beside can't get 2mb down! :confused:
    http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5797524320


  • #2158
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    daraghwal wrote: »
    How do schools get this and nobody else around them has anything like it? Faster than 98% of IE and the house beside can't get 2mb down! :confused:
    http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5797524320

    It is part of Heanet's school project. It could be a fibre connection but may also be a dedicated wireless point to point link. They had no mandate to improve connectivity for surrounding areas.

    https://www.heanet.ie/schools


  • #2159
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was briefly contracted to install routers in schools as part of this project a decade ago (2005), at the time it was mainly ADSL to the schools near town and for most of the more rural schools it was either WIMAX (or similar microwave) or satellite via Digiweb. This was when dial-up was the norm for most people.


  • #2160
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    With that much US its much more likely that its a FTTH link leased by HEANET from ENET/ESBTelco. Lots of schools are still on 100 symm links though.

    Meanwhile the 3rd levels have 10Gb each (and barely use it tbh).


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  • #2161
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I was briefly contracted to install routers in schools as part of this project a decade ago (2005), at the time it was mainly ADSL to the schools near town and for most of the more rural schools it was either WIMAX (or similar microwave) or satellite via Digiweb. This was when dial-up was the norm for most people.

    All secondary schools are supposed to have 100Mb/s since the latest contract. What you're describing sounds more like the primary schools contract.


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