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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    I've read both the links provided and I do not see a plan for jobs at all. As I said vapourware!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭TheOven


    jmayo wrote: »
    Ok you are one of ones I commented about yesterday when I raised this.
    Earlier you talked about upskilling, education, etc.

    What is someone that hasn't the highest IQ or isn't naturally dispensed towards formal education meant to do ?

    Lets be honest a huge chunk of people aren't suited to academic education.
    It is not meant to be condescending, but it is the equivalent of saying not everyone is capable of working with their hands and producing artisan work.

    An issue I think that has occurred in Ireland is that there is this mindset that everyone should go off to third level education and shure it looks great when we show how many graduates we have to all them foreigners.
    The only issue is the standard is diluted, you find mickie mouse courses and people doing course for the sake of it.

    And what is the definition of upskill, what is it meant to be ?
    If you are normal unemployed factory floor worker what do you upskill to ?
    Are you meant to now be a computer programmmer, a systems analyst, a futures trader, a carpenter, a chef, an interior designer ?

    This argument always reminds of a time when farmers were being told to diversify into rearing rabbits, pheasants, deer, running B&B farmbreaks,etc.

    That is all well and good for a few, but the major issue is that there isn't the market for everyone to move into the new sphere.

    This is something that does need to be dealt with. I do not think some form of famine roads work for the sake of working is the solution. This is also why I don't think libertarian/trickle down is the best economic policy going forward. The republicans will do nothing to help this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    gandalf wrote: »
    I've read both the links provided and I do not see a plan for jobs at all. As I said vapourware!


    Have you not read a newspaper or heard any radio/TV news for the last 3 days?

    Did you somehow miss all the talk about him wanting to cut the Corporation tax to 15% and offer limited-time tax-breaks on the transfer of assets back to the US?

    Or his plan to start tapping into America's (supposed) $50 Trillion worth of natural resources (coal, oil, shale, gas), thereby creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and eliminating dependency on foreign energy?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Yeah cos the worlds been really stable this last 4 years, no make that 100yrs.

    Threats to global trade, threats to climate change treaties, threats to stability of NATO and the post war European settlement all to be dismissed. I understand how Trump was elected now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    gandalf wrote: »
    What do you suggest. Make up pretend jobs for them :rolleyes:

    Still better than nothing. Still better than festering. There are a million miles of infrastructure that's needed attention since the 70s, Hospitals and Education centers are in need of overhaul with new ones built.
    The problem is there actually are millions of jobs out there to be made, you just can't pay them because the private money merchants in charge of printing dollars, basically give it out on interest, meaning too much money has to go back to them in repayments while they print more to loan out, to help repay that, then print more to help repay the next - it's a vicious circle, deliberately designed to be such, because it gives the people with control over it, all the power. They actually cannot avoid inflation or debt when by it's very issue, their money generates more of both.

    Donald addressed this and said he'd do precisely what Abraham Lincoln did to fund the Civil war, when bankers funding the confederacy offered him the same loans at the same 30% interest to "bring them back into the union -- He angrily kicked them out and "Returned the right to issue currency to the Federal government."
    Without the extortionate interest, billions were suddenly available and the economy absolutely exploded upwards, up to Abes assassination whereupon the "greenback" he'd created kept it's name, but had it's production rights transferred once again back to the private bankers.

    People who argued Jackson should not be removed from the Federal Reserve notes are so, so wrong. If they knew anything, they'd know he turns in his grave with every note printed. It's an arrogant display of ownership, like a hunter displaying an animal's head on his wall..

    Don't be fooled, the Federal Reserve is not Federal, and anyone who's tried to wrench their power into public servant hands has found themselves dead, with their replacement's first moves being a reversal of any executive orders placed against them, so in all likelihood, those who despise Trump will likely get their wish...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭TheOven


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    The main difference is we are moving towards non religious. Evolution isn't controversial here, if their president doesn't mention god enough they whine.

    On paper the US has a better separation of church and state but there is increased pressure to erode it away than there is here. I have no worries about Ireland becoming more religious while I can't say the same about there.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    His latest tweet is fantastic for a future US President. Its funny seeing that from the most powerful man in the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    His latest tweet is fantastic for a future US President. Its funny seeing that from the most powerful man in the world.
    Love the fact that the small groups of protesters last night have passion for our great country. We will all come together and be proud!

    You just have to hand it to the **** really, it's going to take a special kind of sneak to get his jugular...

    I'm still laughing at snow Mexicans though, Jesus :D
    Edit: It's starting to look like that tweet was fake, Jaysus I just assumed he'd actually said it :o


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Look at that woman on QuestionTime last night from America barking on about Trump and getting all the PC tags in that should could. Its people like her which is why Trump won and she is a professor. Out of touch with reality of the lives of normal people who are on low incomes and some probably living from hand to mouth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,928 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I read a good line in a piece somewhere about those people in the rust belt who voted for Trump.

    It was something like this: After years of letters that were never replied to and phone calls that were never returned, Trump is a brick through the window.

    He sensed the huge amount of anger and disenfranchisement out there, and capitalised on it. I still think he's the last person, and will be surrounded by the last people, that you would expect to do anything about it.

    Whatever about his personal charisma, it says a lot for Obama's legacy that, after 8 years of a Democratic presidency (notwithstanding his being hindered by Republicans), people were ready to elect somebody Trump.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    rob316 wrote: »
    Through out all this the only one I want to punch the head off is that liberal twat on MSNBC Rachel Maddow. She really is unbearable. Think the very opposite of Katie Hopkins and you get her.

    Yeah definitely the opposite to hopkins. Reasoned rational fact based without calling people cockroaches


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    His latest tweet is fantastic for a future US President. Its funny seeing that from the most powerful man in the world.

    Which one? The one mentioning the passion of the protesters? It is better than his previous one anyway which was just a pout. Did his team take his twitter privileges away from him again for that last one?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Christy42 wrote: »
    His latest tweet is fantastic for a future US President. Its funny seeing that from the most powerful man in the world.

    Which one? The one mentioning the passion of the protesters? It is better than his previous one anyway which was just a pout. Did his team take his twitter privileges away from him again for that last one?
    The one about the protests. It is just mental that such a powerful guy is tweeting like that, refreshing some would say. This will be a fantastic entertaining 4 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    The one about the protests. It is just mental that such a powerful guy is tweeting like that, refreshing some would say. This will be a fantastic entertaining 4 years.

    Hillary insulted Trump supporters- horrible woman with no respect
    Trump insults Hillary supporters - hilarious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭Exeggcute


    humanji wrote: »
    That depends if they're proven wrong in the long run.

    Newsflash: Trump won and the experts have been crying since Wednesday about how this could happen.

    "The polls, the polls!"

    **** the polls, and **** the "experts".


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Christy42 wrote: »
    The one about the protests. It is just mental that such a powerful guy is tweeting like that, refreshing some would say. This will be a fantastic entertaining 4 years.

    Hillary insulted Trump supporters- horrible woman with no respect
    Trump insults Hillary supporters - hilarious.
    No one cares about Hillary now, the Donald is the President.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    This thread has been going on for so long now, I'm pretty sure this post will get ignored, but I wanted to get this off of my chest.


    Anyone who knows me or my posts, know that I am an extremely liberal person. I supported gay marriage and even spoke at events, in the papers and on the radio about it. I am 100% pro-choice and firmly and truly believe that all human beings are equal, regardless of race, gender, sexuality and so on.
    If I were an American, I would not have voted for Trump. I despise everything about the man.

    HOWEVER, this election was lost not just by the corrupt DNC, but also by the "far-left" A group which in recent years has basically become semi-fascist in their views. You accept that if you are white, straight and male, that you are the enemy. Everything is your fault, even if you're poor.

    Just a few months ago the very people who thought I was great because I spoke out for gay marriage and did the AMA here on boards. But my gods didn't many of those same people turn on me. I was directly called homophobic for the very simple fact I am straight. I was called sexist, because I am white.

    To the fascist left who screamed and hurled abuse at people who didn't totally agree with them, you are the reason millions of anti-Trump people did not vote. Never in history has hurling abuse at someone caused them to agree with you or change their minds.

    Ordinary people who supported Bernie Sanders were already so disillusioned that the DNC -rigged- the primaries so that Hilary would win were automatically put off her. And anyone who dared to question Hilary were deemed as a sexist and Trump supporters.
    What kind of mental logic is that?

    More people voted for Barack Obama than voted for Hillary, and the same can be said for Donald Trump and Mitt Romney.

    Donald Trump didn't win because he was the better choice. Donald won because both choices were absolutely terrible, but through a combination of astounding corruption, both by the DNC, the media and absolutely mind boggling arrogance, I would happily state that a large number of Bernie voters refused to support Hillary. Because she represents nothing but the status quo of politicians. Corruption, pay-offs and just as much flip-flopping as Trump.

    Let's all just be happy it's Trump and not Mike bloody Pence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭oik


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Hillary insulted Trump supporters- horrible woman with no respect
    Trump insults Hillary supporters - hilarious.

    He didn't insult them. He complimented them on their passion for the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Let's all just be happy it's Trump and not Mike bloody Pence.

    A lot of fair points, but it could very well be President Mike Pence. Trump is 70, and going into a rather high stress job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    Yeah, Mike Pence.... I wonder if Trump chose that man purely to scare any liberal with a gun away from slotting him, lest they end up with Pence...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭rafatoni


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    You seem to be trying very hard to derail this thread with nonsense about how people in Ireland shouldn't care, or how it won't affect us.

    I'm not hysterical, but nice attempt for an ad hominem attack.

    Have you got a link to back up your statement around education?

    I am still waiting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Persiancowboy


    In all the fallout from the election has anybody taken the time to consider the other big loser here....Bill Clinton. His anticipated 4 years of unfettered access to Whitehouse interns taken from him in a flash.......devastating....:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭seenitall


    wes wrote: »
    A lot of fair points, but it could very well be President Mike Pence. Trump is 70, and going into a rather high stress job.

    Not only that, but The Apprentice is obviously not up to the job in any shape or form. Running a country is a little less like running a business than he imagined. Who is actually going to be running things?

    That's what I mean when I say they voted for a certain option when they voted him in. While thinking they were voting for a man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    seenitall wrote: »
    Not only that, but The Apprentice is obviously not up to the job in any shape or form. Running a country is a little less like running a business than he imagined. Who is actually going to be running things?

    Yeah, I remember reading that the VP was basically offered to basically do the actual job of being President. So we may very well already have President Mike Pence in all but name.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Well, this is awkward...

    TRUMP: I DON'T WANT LOBBYISTS
    TRUMP: I think what would happen is people -- I don't want lobbyists.

    Look, I know people that want something. I have been doing this all my life. I have been a very big contributor to many, many people of all size for many, many years. I don't want lobbyists. I don't want special interests, but certainly people -- we have lot of money coming in.

    A woman sends in $7.23 the other day. It was cute. She writes this beautiful little letter. That's what she had. But we have lot of small contributors. I would even take big contributors, as long as they don't expect anything, because the only people that can expect something from me is going to be the people that want to see our country be great again.

    Those are the only people. So, certainly, I would take -- I actually like the idea of investing in a campaign, but it has to be no strings attached. I don't want any strings attached. You know, these lobbyists come in. I turned down $5 million last week from a very important lobbyist, because there are total strings attached to a thing like that.

    He's going to come to me in a year or two years and he's going to want something for a country that he represents or for a company that he represents. That's the kind of money I won't take.

    And now...

    TRUMP TRANSITION TEAM 'SWAMPED' WITH LOBBYISTS.
    WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump, who campaigned against the corrupt power of special interests, is filling his transition team with some of the very sort of people who he has complained have too much clout in Washington: corporate consultants and lobbyists.

    Jeffrey Eisenach, a consultant who has worked for years on behalf of Verizon and other telecommunications clients, is the head of the team that is helping to pick staff members at the Federal Communications Commission.

    Michael Catanzaro, a lobbyist whose clients include Devon Energy and Encana Oil and Gas, holds the “energy independence” portfolio.

    Michael Torrey, a lobbyist who runs a firm that has earned millions of dollars helping food industry players such as the American Beverage Association and the dairy giant Dean Foods, is helping set up the new team at the Department of Agriculture.

    ...

    But in other areas, most notably the energy sector, the transition team advisers are far from independent.

    Mr. Catanzaro’s client list is a who’s who of major corporate players — such as the Hess Corporation and Devon Energy — that have tried to challenge the Obama administration’s environmental and energy policies on issues such as how much methane gas can be released at oil and gas drilling sites, lobbying disclosure reports show.

    He also worked with oil industry players to help push through major legislation goals, such as allowing the export of crude oil. He will now help pick Mr. Trump’s energy team.

    Michael McKenna, another lobbyist helping to pick key administration officials who will oversee energy policy, has a client list that this year has included the Southern Company, one of the most vocal critics of efforts to prevent climate change by putting limits on emissions from coal-burning power plants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Well, this is awkward...

    Cold comfort being right. Looks like everyone is going to get screwed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    oik wrote: »
    He didn't insult them. He complimented them on their passion for the country.

    Pony's post seem to suggest Donald was not serious with that tweet but I am happy enough to take him at his word. I was referring to the previous tweet he sent saying they were payed off to protest. Very much saying they were not passionate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    rafatoni wrote: »
    Have you got a link to back up your statement around education?

    I am still waiting.

    You never asked in the first case, so no idea what you're 'still' waiting on.

    What are you even asking ? Carson's stance on education ? Simple Google searches can show you that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    This thread has been going on for so long now, I'm pretty sure this post will get ignored, but I wanted to get this off of my chest...

    Most of your points are valid. However, I think you may be confusing the left in america with middle-class whinny kids with no concept of the real world.
    The true left and far-left supported Sanders, he was the only candidate from both parties that spoke for them and the working class.
    You're right, the Sanders supporters stayed at home, both young and old, especially across the Rust Belt.


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