Louise O Neill on rape culture.

Oh and if you want further illustration Tyrant? See below…

On the subject of lesbian relationship violence..

demfad wrote: »

You're getting muddied in your thinking like that other poster. If a person hits another person that does not equate to domestic violence. In your post you made a not so little jump from the word 'violence' to 'domestic abuse'.
Domestic abuse is about using tools (one of which can be violence) to exert control over another person. Again unfortunately the proof is in the pudding in these scenarios with hospitalisations, deaths, use of DV refuges etc.

See what I mean? Basically women can't be domestic abusers. They may use violence, in a relationship, but that's still not domestic abuse. Oh no. It's all about male/patriarchal control. That's what makes the difference. Her "evidence" for this? Well read it for yourself. See, even when women are violent to others in relationships that can't be domestic abuse. Men still to blame, even when they're nowhere to be seen.

I have a strong stomach for bullshít, but even I can start to gag when it gets a bit too strong.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Be specific now.

What filter? The filter of your anti-feminist bias?

You've made a claim, show everybody any statement that you're basing it on, and let us judge how mainstream that is within modern feminism.

Okay.

A Tyrant. Earlier in the thread wrote: »

According to the fairly well-known website 'Everyday Feminism', in cases where women tend to feel less secure on the street than men do, that tendency is sufficient to prove there is a rape culture. Street harassment (catcalling?) is also considered rape culture.

I assume even rubbishing this kind of nonsense is seen by some extremists as endorsing rape culture.

Another thing that bothers me is the blanket assumption that accusations are never false or without basis. The website I mentioned above has also claimed that supporting someone charged with rape is rape culture.

That's messed up.

It is indeed and the basis of this not so extremist feminist claim is that women are always victims, men/patriarchy, in this case in the guise of "rape culture" are to blame. Then we had more coming along suggesting a quarter, half, even all women they know have been sexually assaulted. That's a lot of rapists, a large chunk of (described as "ordinary") Irish men, or as I mused maybe these rapists get around. A lot. The mainstream campaign to suggest it's all men's responsibility to stop rape within this rape culture more to add to the pile. Even if we're not rapists, we're duty bound to stop them and if we don't that's our fault too. Women are always victims, men are always to blame.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That is plainly not what she said. It could not be clearer. She said that domestic violence is not the simple act of hitting someone in the home. It's a tool of power one holds over another, male or female.

Of course females perpetrate domestic violence. Nobody is denying this.

She is. She avoided entirely the posed question about women in same sex relationships suffering domestic abuse, while neatly swinging it back to hospitals and DV centres, cos men. According to her clear statements abuse against men is so insignificant it can't even keep one single shelter open. Women are always victims, men are always to blame.

osmiumartist wrote:

Ah here, I think this woman is a twaddle peddling feminazi without a logical pot to piss in, but how the hell are men supposed to have breastfeeding clubs...

True enough. Though a woman I know got her partner one of those joke bra things with the baby bottles attached. The dry shíte wasn't amused.

demfad wrote: »

Not at all you just weren't following the thread.

Untrue. It was you did not read my post. I was referring to the high instances of domestic violence in lesbian relationships and asking how exactly does this feed into the gender roles being the cause of it? That was when you then threw in your family annihilation into the mix.

demfad wrote:

Gender based violence always has the perpetrator characteristic of male entitlement. If you had been following you would have noted the studies conclusion that the family annihilation was the public act of something that had been private for a long time (domestic violence).

I recall that study, it focussed in on cases where the father was the perpetrator, and they left out cases where it was the mother (a study is coming soon on this). So, you can't draw any meaningful conclusion there. Also, that study and others come with a caveat, there is not a high sample rate to choose from , and all the people who could give a proper insight into it are not around to give the story. Not to mention they also took information from newspaper articles. So, it is just one study, with a not exactly watertight methodology (understandable given what is involved). Nevertheless, the evidence is very flimsy, and that is putting it kindly.

demfad wrote:

A factor might be that many more women would undeniably be single parents than men? Even giving that. What of the motive? Euthanasia? Substance abuse? Have you any evidence to show that the fillicide was the terminal act in a pattern of domestic violence as it is for men who annihilate their family? You need to give us more.

A new theory posits that it is down to mental illnesses (stemming from lack of serotonin) as perpetrators were usually found to have depression and/or schizophrenia. Link: https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide

So, we can never tell if family annihilation is also the result of an undiagnosed mental illness. Both areas (filicide and family annihilation) need a lot more research.

demfad wrote:

You're getting muddied in your thinking like that other poster. If a person hits another person that does not equate to domestic violence. In your post you made a not so little jump from the word 'violence' to 'domestic abuse'.
Domestic abuse is about using tools (one of which can be violence) to exert control over another person. Again unfortunately the proof is in the pudding in these scenarios with hospitalisations, deaths, use of DV refuges etc.

I believe it is you who is trying to muddy the waters there. You can change around the definitions all you like and cherrypick what you consider to be violence or domestic abuse until the cows comes home, it doesn't change anything. Nice attempt at obfuscation, though

Anyways, there is no point in you denying that violence / abuse among women is not a problem, as LGBT advocates are acknowledging all of the above happens, from physical violence to the more subtle forms of abuse.
Take the following:

The National Violence Against Women survey found that 21.5 percent of men and 35.4 percent of women living with a same-sex partner experienced intimate-partner physical violence in their lifetimes, compared with 7.1 percent and 20.4 percent for men and women, respectively, with a history of only opposite-sex cohabitation. Transgender respondents had an incidence of 34.6 percent over a lifetime according to a Massachusetts survey.
The CDC’s 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, released again in 2013 with new analysis, reports in its first-ever study focusing on victimization by sexual orientation that the lifetime prevalence of rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner was 43.8 percent for lesbians, 61.1 percent for bisexual women, and 35 percent for heterosexual women, while it was 26 percent for gay men, 37.3 percent for bisexual men, and 29 percent for heterosexual men (this study did not include gender identity or expression).
These studies refute the myths that only straight women get battered, that men are never victims, and that women never batter — in other words, that domestic violence is not an LGBT issue. In fact, it is one of our most serious health risks, affecting significant numbers within our communities.
“Abuse is not about violence; it’s about control,” says Beth Leventhal, executive director of The Network/La Red in Boston. “You can be just as controlling of someone if you are small — as if you’re large. It’s about using violence or any other means of gaining and maintaining control.”
Link: http://www.advocate.com/crime/2014/09/04/2-studies-prove-domestic-violence-lgbt-issue

So, as you believe gender roles are at fault for domestic abuse/violence , you still have this conundrum of the high instances of violence in lesbian relationships! Where is the "male entitlement" there?