El Presidente Trump

10-11-2016 04:56PM

Eoin247 wrote: »

Our unemployment rate has dropped over 7% and there have been proportionally far more jobs created here the in the USA. Yet the hate that's around in working class/uneducated areas in Ireland for Enda is extraordinary.

I think you're confusing the point I made. I said Obama's presidency saw 10 million new jobs, which far more jobs in absolute terms, and in percentage terms, than George W Bush AND Bush senior's terms' combined!

And then I stated that Obama is hated by these particular people, but it isn't because he has a bad record on job creation. His record is a very good one.

People hate him for 'other' reasons.

midlandsmissus wrote: »

And also:

“Yeah, she’s really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father ...'

My mum thinks her sons are gorgeous and no woman is good enough. It's a normal enough feature of family life for dads to adore their daughters and mothers their sons. Stop trying to find to find something creepy where there isn't anything. It's bordering on a conspiracy theory on your behalf. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Trump besides this sensationalism.

rob316 · 10-11-2016 05:00PM

When he comments on his daughter, he is saying these thing to massage his ego. He wants to show "This is what my genes produce". Why do you think he parades her and not the other daughter?

He's eccentric but suggesting he wants to have sex with his daughter is not true.

10-11-2016 05:01PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What do you think of Trump describing him as 'a lot of fun to be with' and describing a paedophile as 'liking younger women'.

Trump is the ultimate scumbag.

I'm ashamed that our world is this dark that we elect a man like this.

Sorry who's this we you're alluding to?

midlandsmissus · 10-11-2016 05:01PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Sorry who's this we you're alluding to?

Human beings.

10-11-2016 05:02PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What do you think of Trump describing him as 'a lot of fun to be with' and describing a paedophile as 'liking younger women'.

Trump is the ultimate scumbag.

I'm ashamed that our world is this dark that we elect a man like this.

Sorry who's this we you're alluding to? And elect to what?

jmayo · 10-11-2016 05:02PM

dudara wrote: »

In Britain, it was a straightforward % victory, which if applied in the US, would have meant a victory for Hillary as she claimed the majority of the electorate. However, due to the electoral college system, Trump has claimed the presidency.

But if you flip that argument back one could say UKIP deserved more seats in parliament (only 1 AFAIK) due to fact they got something like 10% of the overall vote.
They just didn't get enough votes in the actual constituencies and they don't have PR system like we do.

dudara wrote: »

There is an undeniable for change in politics. I think many people, of all classss and ideaologies would say that. I'm personally disillusioned by our parish-pump politicians.

All of ours are parish pump politicans.
Don't be deluded in thinking otherwise.

The "Pork barrel politics" term was invented in the US.

The issue is that people have to seek reelection and if they haven't looked after their patch then they lose their seat.
Also another issue is that politicians for the most part do not want to think long term because it doesn't help them get reelected.

dudara wrote: »

But I'm not ready to hand the overall reins to someone with no experience. It's akin to a local 5-Side team being given the World Cup without every playing a qualifier or match.

Again not really an apt argument.
He has played the qualifiers (done the election) and actually won against all the odds.
He had no real political experience in ever running for any kind of election, his party didn't even like him or want him, most of the media hate his guts, he didn't have the huge backing that other candidates have gotten.

midlandsmissus · 10-11-2016 05:03PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I think you're confusing the point I made. I said Obama's presidency saw 10 million new jobs, which far more jobs in absolute terms, and in percentage terms, than George W Bush AND Bush senior's terms' combined!

And then I stated that Obama is hated by these particular people, but it isn't because he has a bad record on job creation. His record is a very good one.

People hate him for 'other' reasons.

My mum thinks her sons are gorgeous and no woman is good enough. It's a normal enough feature of family life for dads to adore their daughters and mothers their sons. Stop trying to find to find something creepy where there isn't anything. It's bordering on a conspiracy theory on your behalf. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Trump besides this sensationalism.

Has your mother said, 'If he wasn't my son, perhaps I'd be dating him'?

sabat · 10-11-2016 05:03PM

Permabear wrote: »

This post had been deleted.

I reckon there's still about a 20% chance that it'll be Pence taking the oath in January with Paul Ryan as VP.

kunst nugget · 10-11-2016 05:04PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

My mum thinks her sons are gorgeous and no woman is good enough. It's a normal enough feature of family life for dads to adore their daughters and mothers their sons. Stop trying to find to find something creepy where there isn't anything. It's bordering on a conspiracy theory on your behalf. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Trump besides this sensationalism.

Could you picture your ma saying 'Miltiades really has something and he is really handsome. If I weren't happily married and, you know, his mother…'

I think my daughters are beautiful but there's no way in a million years I'd say something like that about them…

TheOven · 10-11-2016 05:04PM

humanji wrote: »

Who said they were? They have said they plan to remove rights from US citizens based on how they were born. That's more Saudi Arabia that USA.

When people are trying to claim the GOP is the best choice for gay people you can probably safely ignore them.

Might as well start claiming they're atheist. The tea party especially.

10-11-2016 05:08PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Look I don't like the man. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, I'm writing my concerns about him.

I think it's going to be a horrible four years, and it's like - we can't leave this place you know.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! What in the actual f*ck? Are you American? Do you live in America? What place can't you leave? You can leave Tumblr anytime you want. Hillary-ariuous

valoren · 10-11-2016 05:09PM

Was reading how he made his fortune.

In a nutshell, he got his organisation leveraged up to the eyeballs to the tune of $9 billion, of which he owed $1 billion personally. It was a classic case of 'when you owe the bank 1,000 euro, it's your problem, when you owe them a million, it's their problem. It's here that he established his reputation as a deal maker. The banks (70 of them) understood that foreclosing would cost them millions and millions.

So they agreed to an interest free 5 year period along with another 65 million working capital to stay afloat. He never had to pay anything on the principal of the loans. He was essentially bailed out by the banks. He has obviously subsumed this into his being a tough negotiator whereas the reality was that he was well heeled from his family and experienced a bull market for brains in the 1980's property boom, as they say, you find out who has been swimming naked when the tide goes out. It obviously takes some brass to negotiate the above deal with the banks but he could have just as easily been bankrupted into oblivion as well.

He has taken this persona, a kind of bizarre caricature of his WWF days, and found fame with it and has leveraged this fame and posited himself as a voice of the people. In wrestling parlance, he would be a 'face' for the forgotten and a 'heel' to the bureaucrats in DC. It worked. Spectacularly. To see Trump as some genius business man is short sighted, to see him as a sociopathic risk taker willing to flirt with oblivion with other people's money is more accurate.

midlandsmissus · 10-11-2016 05:10PM

Omackeral wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! What in the actual f*ck? Are you American? Do you live in America? What place can't you leave? You can leave Tumblr anytime you want. Hillary-ariuous

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Back at ya. Immature, dopey, stupid post.

midlandsmissus · 10-11-2016 05:12PM

What do people think of the protests being organised around America.

Has this ever happened before?

I wonder what he thinks.

And will they reform the electoral college voting system.

10-11-2016 05:13PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Back at ya. Immature, dopey, stupid post.

Good retort. When you say ''We can't leave this place, ya know?'' what place are you talking about?

10-11-2016 05:16PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Could you picture your ma saying 'Miltiades really has something and he is really handsome. If I weren't happily married and, you know, his mother…'

No, but if she did say that I'd consider she was being a bit effusive, and not a sexual deviant.

B0jangles · 10-11-2016 05:18PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

As opposed to what, moving the jobs abroad until desperate blue collar workers are willing to accept a pittance rather than have no job at all?

There is no good option, I've never personally believed there is, there is the least bad option.
The pie hasn't changed, but the number of people eating from it has, greatly.
It's unavoidable that there is going to be less pie to go round, and people will start more aggressively defending theirs.

And before anyone posts a political cartoon where corporate owner eats a full pie while workers get a sliver, I'm afraid that's just a fact of life. People will always have more than you.
If everyone suddenly had a million euros, a loaf of bread would cost a million euros.

There is only one scenario where a form of socialism combated private banks and money makers, and successfuly shared not wealth, but the security it provides.
But it had a rather nasty habit of excluding other races and ended up being part of the cause of a war that killed at least 80 million people, so that's out of the question...

He ran on a platform of somehow bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, on helping blue-collar workers.

His statement from last year demonstrates absolutely that he is only interesting in maximizing profitability for companies at the expense of the workers.

His statement shows a belief that it is 'just good business' for companies to use their power to bully ordinary workers into accepting bad jobs by threatening them with no jobs at all.

He is an unabashed plutocrat who has successfully conned American workers into believing that he wants to help them.

lawlolawl · 10-11-2016 05:19PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

And will they reform the electoral college voting system.

Why should they?

Because the "wrong" guy won?

10-11-2016 05:20PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Why should they?

Give me one strong, democratic argument against a popular vote.

ceadaoin. · 10-11-2016 05:20PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What do people think of the protests being organised around America.

Has this ever happened before?

I wonder what he thinks.

And will they reform the electoral college voting system.

Pretty sure there were protests after George W was elected the first time?

It won't change a thing

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 05:21PM

valoren wrote: »

To see Trump as some genius business man is short sighted, to see him as a risk taker willing to flirt with oblivion is more accurate.

Well, oblivion is rearing her head soon, so why not offer her dinner, wine and a dance? She might just be impressed enough to spare us...

Also, it's not just liberal or leftist or college kid tears I was hoping to swim in.
Stormfront tears are going to be equally delicious.
'Trump will put blacks in their place!'
Nope, hes done plenty of work with them before and will continue doing so. Even sleepy Ben is in with a shot on his Cabinet. Your boy David Duke's endorsement was nothing but a tool used against Trump - he can't help who likes him, but thanks for the vote

'Trump will deal with the Jews!'
Nope. Observe.
Michael Abboud - chief PR
Lewis Eisenberg - Trump Victory Committee President
Elliot Broidy - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Samuel Fox - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Jared Kushner - main advisor
Jason Greenblatt - chief financial officer Trump Organization
Sheldon Adelson - main kike lobbyst in the US
David Friedman - Lawyer while undergoing Atlantic City failures
Michael Abboud - chief PR
Lewis Eisenberg - Trump Victory Committee President
Elliot Broidy - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Samuel Fox - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Michael Cohen - Trump Organization VP
Alan Garten - Trump Organization VP
Lawrence Glick - Trump Organization VP
Michael Dezer - Trump partner
Gil Dezer - Trump partner
Stephen Feinberg - Trump Economic Advisory Council member
Paul Achleitner - Trump donor
Carl Icahn - main Trump donor
Wilbur Ross - main Trump donor
John Paulson - main Trump donor
Stephen Wynn - main Trump donor

And quite a few more. THANKS FOR THE VOTE

In fact, I might enjoy their tears just a little more....

midlandsmissus · 10-11-2016 05:21PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Why should they?

Because the "wrong" guy won?

I've said, I don't like Hilary either. Jesus!

It's one of the things that people are protesting about in the States. Read the news.

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 05:23PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Give me one strong, democratic argument against a popular vote.

Mass Media.

Jelle1880 · 10-11-2016 05:24PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What do people think of the protests being organised around America.

Has this ever happened before?

I wonder what he thinks.

And will they reform the electoral college voting system.

It has happened several times. The Tea Party rose to prominence after Obama's election, with mass protests in several areas of the country.

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 05:24PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Give me one strong, democratic argument against a popular vote.

Or a funnier one.
'Uneducated people'.

tonycascarino · 10-11-2016 05:25PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What do people think of the protests being organised around America.

This is what happens when the cry babies do not get their way. Same with Brexit. They should suck it up and respect democracy.

valoren · 10-11-2016 05:26PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

Why should they?

Because the "wrong" guy won?

It's a system that unnecessarily over complicates a very simple process.
What is it about people making simple yet important things (such as elections, money) more complicated than they need to be?

Keep the population densities and how many representatives they get based on that as it is.

But for the Presidency/Vice Presidency? A choice between one or two viable candidates?
Just take the total electorate together.

Person A get's more than Person B. Person A wins.
Person B concedes to basic arithmetic, you got more votes than me.

Done. :pac:

pumpkin4life · 10-11-2016 05:26PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Well, oblivion is rearing her head soon, so why not offer her dinner, wine and a dance? She might just be impressed enough to spare us...

Also, it's not just liberal or leftist or college kid tears I was hoping to swim in.
Stormfront tears are going to be equally delicious.
'Trump will put blacks in their place!'
Nope, hes done plenty of work with them before and will continue doing so. Even sleepy Ben is in with a shot on his Cabinet. Your boy David Duke's endorsement was nothing but a tool used against Trump - he can't help who likes him, but thanks for the vote

'Trump will deal with the Jews!'
Nope. Observe.
Michael Abboud - chief PR
Lewis Eisenberg - Trump Victory Committee President
Elliot Broidy - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Samuel Fox - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Jared Kushner - main advisor
Jason Greenblatt - chief financial officer Trump Organization
Sheldon Adelson - main kike lobbyst in the US
David Friedman - Lawyer while undergoing Atlantic City failures
Michael Abboud - chief PR
Lewis Eisenberg - Trump Victory Committee President
Elliot Broidy - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Samuel Fox - Trump Victory Committee Vice President
Michael Cohen - Trump Organization VP
Alan Garten - Trump Organization VP
Lawrence Glick - Trump Organization VP
Michael Dezer - Trump partner
Gil Dezer - Trump partner
Stephen Feinberg - Trump Economic Advisory Council member
Paul Achleitner - Trump donor
Carl Icahn - main Trump donor
Wilbur Ross - main Trump donor
John Paulson - main Trump donor
Stephen Wynn - main Trump donor

And quite a few more. THANKS FOR THE VOTE
In fact, I might enjoy their tears just a little more....

OY VEY

jmayo · 10-11-2016 05:26PM

Permabear wrote: »

This post had been deleted.

Free trade and globalisation are great if you are one of the ones benefiting.

You are a fund manager and you have moved your operation to the states, if I am not mistaken.
You work in an area where it doesn't matter where you are, you have the know-how, the smarts, the aptitude and/or education (sorry maybe not correct term seeing the way the term has been bandied about here) that allow you to work in that area and going by past post succeed in it.
Also the easy movement of capital actually helps your business.

But imagine if you were a textile worker back in Donegal (thinking of old Fruit of the loom operations here) who loses their job to Cambodia where basically some young girls are doing the work in almost slave like conditions.
It's great for the company (and it's owners) getting the work done at much cheaper rates.
It's now great for other people in Donegal who are now buying the same garment as before, but the price is now €10 and not €15 because the work is done much cheaper in Cambodia.

But for the individual who lost their job and can't get another one because there is now none of that work available things aren't that rosey.
Their kids, like previous generations, will never work in the same industry because it is now gone.

Of course some people (including posters around here) will say
"tough, those skills are no longer wanted or needed in Donegal.
Upskill, get further education/training. Aim for a better job".

That argument is fine if you are young, can easily move, and actually have an aptitude that was never tapped into.
But there is a saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks".

So then why not just make do and get a basic job, shure the pay isn't as good because it is a menial job, but beggars can't be choosers as they say.

That is fine until the other side of the free market kicks in and some immigrants arrive and they are willing to do those jobs for even less.

Where is the old textile plant worker then ?

And as some have pointed out even if the textile plant returns, the work may done by an automated robotic system and there wouldn't be a job anyway.

The above scenario is playing out all over the Western World, from Donegal to Flint, Bethlehem to Sheffield, South Bend to Glasgow.

And slowly but surely the ones left behind are getting more and more disillusioned with the way the system is going.

Even worse a certain grouping are now often labeling the disillusioned as being thick, uneducated, lazy, backward when they do vote for someone who does finally seem to be listening an caring about their plight.
Of course these people may find out soon enough that they have been duped and things will go on much as they have for the last few years.

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 05:29PM

B0jangles wrote: »

He ran on a platform of somehow bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, on helping blue-collar workers.

His statement from last year demonstrates absolutely that he is only interesting in maximizing profitability for companies at the expense of the workers.

His statement shows a belief that it is 'just good business' for companies to use their power to bully ordinary workers into accepting bad jobs by threatening them with no jobs at all.

He is an unabashed plutocrat who has successfully conned American workers into believing that he wants to help them.

All the more reason to work towards getting him elected.
One way or another, the American people won't be able to handle another shafting. And with Trump - if he does it - it'll be an arrogant and obvious shafting.
The consequences of that for the American top floor are well overdue.

El Presidente Trump

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