El Presidente Trump

Widdershins · 10-11-2016 12:16PM

wes wrote: »

Its pretty funny, that for people who are saying you shouldn't sneer at people, then turn around and do exactly that. If the idea that such sneering will back fire, then once the generation you denigrate so much are eventually in charge, then your in for a hell of a time .

Who are the people you're lumping me in with?
Did I personally make some comment about sneering at people? I don't appreciate being lumped in with an unidentified group of people, presumeably a political group or a collection of other posters here that you have grouped together in your own head.

I actually agree, of course we shouldn't. However, I am not sneering at all. I seriously believe people are emotionally unstable compared to what they used to be. It's gone to the extreme opposite end of the scale from the old-fashioned ''stiff upper lip'' mentality. I don't find it amusing and I'm not mocking them. Definitely not sneering.

Please don't speak to me as an anonymous piece of some group, I'm an individual, don't perpetuate the cycle of sneering, haha.

rob316 · 10-11-2016 12:17PM

Did anyone die over the dirt on Trump in comparison to the corruption of Clinton?

osarusan · 10-11-2016 12:17PM

Also, have they just stopped counting the votes in the remaining states or what?

VinLieger · 10-11-2016 12:17PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

You'll be deeply disappointed.

Bound to be looking out for the little guy.......

midlandsmissus · 10-11-2016 12:17PM

Doesn't B. Obama look like he's aged 20 years.

jimgoose · 10-11-2016 12:18PM

osarusan wrote: »

Also, have they just stopped counting the votes in the remaining states or what?

They've all declared except Michigan, according to CNN. It's neck-and-neck there, pretty much.

_Jamie_ · 10-11-2016 12:18PM

Permabear wrote: »

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I really hate this notion that everyone who predicted a comfortable Clinton win is either having an meltdown, insulting America or laying low. I was one of them and I recovered quickly from the surprise and shock to getting the "Let's move forward" point and I know I am not alone.

And for all gloating Clinton supporters pre-election, there are as many gloaters now in the 'Trump will win' camp now. Neither is a good look and I'd have to wonder have many who predicted a Trump win really stopped to think what that really means. Is the satisfaction of being right all they care about?

Akrasia · 10-11-2016 12:18PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

You'll be deeply disappointed.

Well, I have to say I am absolutely shocked. Who could have predicted this except everyone who didn't have their head shoved up their own ass?

flazio · 10-11-2016 12:20PM

So Trump meets Obama today. Wonder if this little thing will be mentioned. (1.23 in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvgnOqcCYCM

Akrasia · 10-11-2016 12:21PM

_Jamie_ wrote: »

I really hate this notion that everyone who predicted a comfortable Clinton win is either having an meltdown, insulting Amercia or laying low. I was one of them and I recovered quickly from the surprise and shock to getting the "Let's move forward" point and I know I am not alone.

And for all gloating Clinton supporters pre-election, there are as many gloaters now in the 'Trump will win' camp now. Neither is a good look and I'd have to wonder have many who predicted a Trump win really stopped to think what that really means. Is the satisfaction of being right all they care about?

In 3 months time, the Clinton gloaters will have transformed into 'Hate To Say I told ya so'ers as the Trump fans realise that he's not draining the swamp, he Is the swamp.

tritium · 10-11-2016 12:22PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

They are the only 1st world country that doesnt have a popular vote.

I'm not arguing that Trump won, I've just been reading up the system out of my own interest over the last few days. And I was wondering what other people thought of it. It's vast and complicated, and has been criticised for influencing a 2 party system.

Thats not strictly true, most election systema have similar flaws. For example in the uk its possible to have a large government majority with well shy of 50% of the vote. Thr uk system also takes no account of each mps winni g margin.

_Jamie_ · 10-11-2016 12:23PM

Akrasia wrote: »

In 3 months time, the Clinton gloaters will have transformed into 'Hate To Say I told ya so'ers as the Trump fans realise that he's not draining the swamp, he Is the swamp.

So, to sum up, gloaters are present everywhere, in all groups, and we all agree that they should be shot with balls of their own sh1t?

kunst nugget · 10-11-2016 12:23PM

Lamentabli sane wrote: »

Republican president, republican Congress and Senate. Hopefully some Republican appointments to the Supreme Court in the near future.

Its time to DRAIN THE SWAMP.

What are they going to be draining from the swamp? The Republicans already control both houses.

Akrasia · 10-11-2016 12:23PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Who are the people you're lumping me in with?
Did I personally make some comment about sneering at people? I don't appreciate being lumped in with an unidentified group of people, presumeably a political group or a collection of other posters here that you have grouped together in your own head.

I actually agree, of course we shouldn't. However, I am not sneering at all. I seriously believe people are emotionally unstable compared to what they used to be. It's gone to the extreme opposite end of the scale from the old-fashioned ''stiff upper lip'' mentality. I don't find it amusing and I'm not mocking them. Definitely not sneering.

Please don't speak to me as an anonymous piece of some group, I'm an individual, don't perpetuate the cycle of sneering, haha.

Its the internet. You're not an individual, you're 'Widdershins' and you'll often be judged entirely based on the last thing you said and how it fits into the mood of the conversation.

Widdershins · 10-11-2016 12:24PM

Akrasia wrote: »

In 3 months time, the Clinton gloaters will have transformed into 'Hate To Say I told ya so'ers as the Trump fans realise that he's not draining the swamp, he Is the swamp.

Clearly you relish the thought. Has it occurred to you that you could be wrong?

Widdershins · 10-11-2016 12:26PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Its the internet. You're not an individual, you're 'Widdershins' and you'll often be judged entirely based on the last thing you said and how it fits into the mood of the conversation.

But I don't know how he/she is taking that from the last thing I said.

The Backwards Man · 10-11-2016 12:26PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

What are they going to be draining from the swamp? The Republicans already control both houses.

Trumpettes are a bit like Trump himself, great at the sound bites, woeful at explanations

VinLieger · 10-11-2016 12:27PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Clearly you relish the thought. Has it occurred to you that you could be wrong?

I was prepared to be wrong then I read the link posted above

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/08/trump-transition-lobbyists/

That is EXACTLY the same kind of stuff he consistently hit Hillary on

Jelle1880 · 10-11-2016 12:28PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Clearly you relish the thought. Has it occurred to you that you could be wrong?

Honest question: Do you believe they will be wrong ?

So far everything points to Trump stacking the White House with corporate pawns aimed at furthering his own interests and that of his pals in Wall Street + some of his religious nutjob backers.

Renegade Mechanic · 10-11-2016 12:28PM

Akrasia wrote: »

In 3 months time, the Clinton gloaters will have transformed into 'Hate To Say I told ya so'ers as the Trump fans realise that he's not draining the swamp, he Is the swamp.

It's quite possible but at least there is a slim chance that won't be true with the Gob. There was no chance at all with the Bush-Dynasty-freindly Clinton Syndicate. Have to go for the chance, however slim.

Akrasia · 10-11-2016 12:28PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Clearly you relish the thought. Has it occurred to you that you could be wrong?

Yes, there's also a good chance that many Trump supporters will be oblivious to the harm he is doing and deny that he is breaking any of his pledges to clean up politics and 'make america great again'

The Backwards Man · 10-11-2016 12:29PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Clearly you relish the thought. Has it occurred to you that you could be wrong?

We all hope the poster is wrong. But there's more than a reasonable chance they will be right.

Butters1979 · 10-11-2016 12:29PM

wes wrote: »

Its pretty funny, that for people who are saying you shouldn't sneer at people, then turn around and do exactly that. If the idea that such sneering will back fire, then once the generation you denigrate so much are eventually in charge, then your in for a hell of a time .

You'd be surprised how quick they'll change. Once they get out in the real world, get jobs, families and bills to pay they'll realise that anyone who isn't working is taking from them and their families. (Crude but this is how a lot of people think) their political ideals will shift.

In every generation. the younger, college age of the population are almost always more liberal and left leaning, however this doesn't translate into a future surge in liberal voters.

TheOven · 10-11-2016 12:31PM

kilns wrote: »

The scenario is very tricky for the Republicans now, they need Trump to be succesful or else they are dead in the water come the next election. Do they back him in Congress on the radical proposals for which he got elected or will they block them.
I have a feeling he will row back on many of his OTT claims and if does in 4 years times people might be saying he wasnt that bad a president.

The wall has been removed from his website already. The full Muslim ban has already been backtracked on and they are expecting the swamp to drain itself.

It will be a plain old republican government with a few bones thrown to their dog.

seenitall · 10-11-2016 12:32PM

Orange is the new black (in the White House), it seems...

Aaaanyways, I have to say after Brexit, this was intuitively the way things were going to go. The political momentum in the West is headed in a certain direction, and that's that. The pendulum of history is bigger than any of us.

On a personal level, I have to say I am delighted that Hillary didn't make it all the way. Again, speaking from a purely historical point of view, I would be much happier if someone more deserving of public trust and confidence ends up being the first woman in there.

VinLieger · 10-11-2016 12:32PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Yes, there's also a good chance that many Trump supporters will be oblivious to the harm he is doing and deny that he is breaking any of his pledges to clean up politics and 'make america great again'

Of course they will cus the bad stuff won't be publicized and the "good" stuff at least in their eyes like abortion and gay marriages getting struck down by his supreme court will be on the front pages.

They will ignore all the economic facts in favour of those big ticket items to them that are ultimately inconsequential to their everyday way of life which will be hit over and over again due to his economics but cus of the slow trickle won't be picked up on.

Akrasia · 10-11-2016 12:33PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

It's quite possible but at least there is a slim chance that won't be true with the Gob. There was no chance at all with the Bush-Dynasty-freindly Clinton Syndicate. Have to go for the chance, however slim.

I get the urge to change things, but Trump is a total wild card.

I give him about a 2% chance that he'll turn out to be a good president, a 30% chance that he'll just be business as usual or blocked by congress and therefore ineffectual, but a 65% chance that he'll make things much much worse. That is based on his Environmental, foreign policy and regulatory positions, and his likely appointments to the supreme court.

As per Clinton, there was a 95% chance that she'd just be a business as usual politician with a small chance that she does something extreme and starts a war somewhere

Pherekydes · 10-11-2016 12:37PM

Trump has already proposed a climate change skeptic as head of the EPA. Mike Pence has suggested Planned Parenthood will be defunded and LGBT rights will be eroded.

And, of course, Obamacare will be repealed.

Maybe not so vanilla...

Widdershins · 10-11-2016 12:38PM

Akrasia wrote: »

Yes, there's also a good chance that many Trump supporters will be oblivious to the harm he is doing and deny that he is breaking any of his pledges to clean up politics and 'make america great again'

I just thought as I pressed ''submit reply'', that probably does sound a bit sneer-y! If so, sorry.

That's an opinion, though. I might say I don't think they'll be proven correct but again that's an opinion. It's true that many people including here in Ireland seem to back their chosen party throughout, make excuses for shortcomings and broken promises, and don't seem to revise their view of them.
Only time will tell.

Widdershins · 10-11-2016 12:41PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Honest question: Do you believe they will be wrong ?

So far everything points to Trump stacking the White House with corporate pawns aimed at furthering his own interests and that of his pals in Wall Street + some of his religious nutjob backers.

Also, I'd be far more frightened of Hillary in power, furthering the interests of her Saudi pals.

El Presidente Trump

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