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Louise O Neill on rape culture.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,214 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Reading today that several Colleges in the US have arranged counselling for their students and cancelled exams...

    Jaysis. Just... Jaysis! Is this Peak Snowflake?? :pac::pac::pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 393 ✭✭Mortpourvelo


    FortySeven wrote: »
    I'm so glad he got elected so this presumptuous, accusational, fearful and downright dangerous form of women's power can be put in a box, thrown off the back of a truck, set on fire and then pissed on.

    Does that make me an abuser?

    To some feminazis - yes.

    To anyone with more that one brain cell - no.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 393 ✭✭Mortpourvelo


    jimgoose wrote: »
    Jaysis. Just... Jaysis! Is this Peak Snowflake?? :pac::pac::pac:

    I despair, I really do.

    They better hope it doesn't descend into WWIII - imagine these delicate bundles in a war ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,214 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    demfad wrote: »
    You'll probably need to supply a reason there?

    Because you seem to be deftly avoiding the fact that girls appear to be suffering from Privilege in the education system, albeit somewhat indirectly? That, and whenever most normal people hear that word bandied about we automatically picture a student whiling away her salad days on Pop's dime, or some dysfunctional nitwit with no skills and less personality looking for a purpose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    Zulu wrote: »
    No demfad, you are wrong.
    Sure Trump is a crass, brash git. Any, if I had to guess, it wouldn't surprise me to find out he sexually assaulted someone. He fits the profile I reckon.

    But talk is also cheap. Saying one thing doesn't equate to doing it. And he's much like our own Michael O'Leary, in that he'll say anything to get your heckles up, because you know what, he doesn't give a **** about you.

    You're right to be upset he's elected. But not because men rallied behind a sexual predator. That's not true. People did not vote for him because they believe him to be a sexual predator, rather, people saw beyond the mud slinging, beyond the crass comments, beyond the media message, and saw the only opportunity for change that was available.

    Obama won, a black president in a racist country, because he promised change. "Yes we can"

    Hillary lost the election because she promised more of the same.

    It was more than comments. Several women came forward and accused him of sexual assault. He was accused by a woman who said when she was a minor of 13 she was raped by Trump and his friend (and convicted child molester) Jeffrey Epstein. The half of the population who voted for him were willing to turn a blind eye to this. Only in a deeply misogynistic society could this happen.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    demfad wrote: »
    If men fought "any notion" of sexual assault then why did this man win the Republican nomination and the presidency?

    Well, maybe the majority of the American public don't believe the accusations or just think of them of being less of a concern compared to many of the skeletons in the Clinton's closet.



    https://twitter.com/atensnut/status/684822324227379200


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 393 ✭✭Mortpourvelo


    You seem very angry and defensive.

    Good for you that you'd vote Le Pen. That just says to me your racism trumps (hur hur) your sexism. Not something to fist pump about.

    He's actually making a good point there - why not be angry ?

    I'm female but a bit of a tomboy, like footy - few beers etc, wouldn't catch me in a dress for Denis O'Brien's money.

    I was told the other day I was "gender fluid" and should complain that there's no such box to tick on a form!!!!

    Er, no am a bird. End of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Reading today that several Colleges in the US have arranged counselling for their students and cancelled exams.

    Trump is a disaster of course but if that's the calibre of the youth - America is f****d.

    If they're college students they can't be there illegally so what are they worried about? He has only spoken about deporting illegals who commit a crime, hasn't he?

    People are posting about ''standing with the lgbtq community'' after this election. What harm could it do to them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,214 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    ...I was told the other day I was "gender fluid" and should complain that there's no such box to tick on a form!!!!

    Er, no am a bird. End of.

    A few of the Motors forum regulars including myself had a full and frank discussion about that some months back. We agreed that Genderfluid is fully-synthetic with plenty additives, and manual gearboxes should henceforth be referred to as "cismissions". :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 393 ✭✭Mortpourvelo


    If they're college students they can't be there illegally so what are they worried about? He has only spoken about deporting illegals who commit a crime, hasn't he?

    People are posting about ''standing with the lgbtq community'' after this election. What harm could it do to them?

    Well (white) Lily Allen was deeply offended at (white) Honey G offending "black culture" by rapping (badly) on the X Factor.

    Apparently if you of a delicate mind you can be offended on behalf of EVERYBODY!!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 393 ✭✭Mortpourvelo


    jimgoose wrote: »
    A few of the Motors forum regulars including myself had a full and frank discussion about that some months back. We agreed that Genderfluid is fully-synthetic with plenty additives, and manual gearboxes should henceforth be referred to as "cismissions". :D

    Class!!!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 393 ✭✭Mortpourvelo


    Well, maybe the majority of the American public don't believe the accusations or just think of them of being less of a concern compared to many of the skeletons in the Clinton's closet.



    https://twitter.com/atensnut/status/684822324227379200

    Love how her Twitter name is ATENSNUT.

    Some kind of nut definitely.


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He's actually making a good point there - why not be angry ?

    It's not something that would anger me, but that's his prerogative. It always amuses me that some who rail about snowflakes seem angrier than those they accuse of being thin skinned.

    Anyway, was merely pointing out the obvious inference from someone saying they 100% supported a racist who happens to be female. It's just...not a great example of what he thinks it's a great example of.


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well (white) Lily Allen was deeply offended at (white) Honey G offending "black culture" by rapping (badly) on the X Factor.

    Apparently if you of a delicate mind you can be offended on behalf of EVERYBODY!!

    She, and that tv programme, offend every culture with that crap. You can almost hear the producers saying "this audience is so dumb, they'll even watch this".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    Zulu wrote: »
    Horse manure. Utter, utter, utter horse manure.
    Feminism would have sons treated equally to daughters? Then what are they doing to address the crisis in the education system?
    <cue tumble weed>
    jimgoose wrote: »
    Because you seem to be deftly avoiding the fact that girls appear to be suffering from Privilege in the education system, albeit somewhat indirectly?.

    Tumble weed? I've addressed this already. Maybe if boys (and girls) grew up without core beliefs that school and study was for girls or weak boys then more boys would respect the value of learning and study. What are your suggestions?
    demfad wrote: »
    Feminism would have sons treated equally to daughters. Girls are doing better than boys in school because schooling is now culturally defined as nerdish and girlish. Nothing to do with feminism.

    (follow the thread please)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    demfad wrote: »
    Tumble weed? I've addressed this already. Maybe if boys (and girls) grew up without core beliefs that school and study was for girls or weak boys then more boys would respect the value of learning and study. What are your suggestions?



    (follow the thread please)

    You can't be serious?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,214 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    demfad wrote: »
    Tumble weed? I've addressed this already. Maybe if boys (and girls) grew up without core beliefs that school and study was for girls or weak boys then more boys would respect the value of learning and study. What are your suggestions?...

    This isn't a gender-related problem, this is a thick-people-having-children problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    FortySeven wrote: »
    I'm so glad he got elected so this presumptuous, accusational, fearful and downright dangerous form of women's power can be put in a box, thrown off the back of a truck, set on fire and then pissed on.

    Does that make me an abuser?

    If you sexually assault a woman or dozens of them you are an abuser. if you and your child molester pal have sex with a 13 year old then you are a rapist.

    If you're glad he got elected then you are the supporter of a probable abuser and rapist. Does that clear it up?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    demfad wrote: »
    If you sexually assault a woman or dozens of them you are an abuser. if you and your child molester pal have sex with a 13 year old then you are a rapist.

    If you're glad he got elected then you are the supporter of a probable abuser and rapist. Does that clear it up?

    When you are convicted of those things then you are those things. Otherwise we have a presumption of innocence. Perhaps that's sexist too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    FortySeven wrote: »
    You can't be serious?

    If you don't give any actually reasoning for your comments you can't expect me in fairness to keep replying.
    jimgoose wrote: »
    This isn't a gender-related problem, this is a thick-people-having-children problem.

    You've just implied that the education 'crises' was gender related. :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Walter H Price


    Reading today that several Colleges in the US have arranged counselling for their students and cancelled exams.

    Trump is a disaster of course but if that's the calibre of the youth - America is f****d.

    Kinda sad isn't it , the Snow Flake generation , what a sham
    You seem very angry and defensive.

    Good for you that you'd vote Le Pen. That just says to me your racism trumps (hur hur) your sexism. Not something to fist pump about.

    Im not angry to be honest im excited by Trump , by wilder and Le Pen.

    I dont believe critisisng runaway welfare , big government , Political correctness gone mad and oper border imigration makes you an anythin - ist , its certainly not racist to oppose open door immigration , im happy for anyone with relevant skills and qualifications coming to work here, but unskilled / mass immigration should not be allowed. People coming should havesufficent money and employers to sponsor them in to ensure they are not a drain on the economy, Wether their white poles or black africans.

    Those coming should respect our laws customs and traditions this is our culture in our country , they have no right to impose their own. I dont fell the need to respect all or in fact any relgion as an athiest i will freely critize Islam as i will Cghristianity , the book of morman and scientology , that does not make me an Islamophobe.

    I voted for marraige equality but im still not sure on certain strands of the LQBTQXYZ matrix it seems to change an grow every 15 seconds that does not make me a bigott.

    I'm am far from sexisit i would vote for and have voted for female candidate's in elections i vote based on politics , not the candidates gender , i believe in pay equality my OH out earns me and nearly always has and that has never troubled me.

    I went to college i work for my salery, i would like to pay as little of that in tax as i can i have no interest in funding people on the dole single parents , etc. I still have to pay private health insurnace because the public system sucks , yes i want a tax brek for that and no i dont really give two short ones how poor people get by thats none of my concern.

    Stop labeling people , stop jumping to accuse people of being XYZ its pretty irksom to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,214 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    demfad wrote: »
    ...You've just implied that the education 'crises' was gender related. :confused:

    Correct. I then went on to suggest that the root cause of that 'crisis' isn't. It's thick-people-related.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    demfad wrote: »
    If you don't give any actually reasoning for your comments you can't expect me in fairness to keep replying:

    I have a boy and a girl in school. They are both doing great. I'm guessing the problems will start around puberty when my son starts being told his perfectly normal behavior is toxic.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    To some feminazis - yes.

    To anyone with more that one brain cell - no.

    Are you going to call Fathers4justice, whom storm TV shows in England and Ireland to promote men's rights -mannazis?

    Deluded,crazy mannazis! Lol. That makes me feel big and powerful to say that.

    Anytime I here someone saying the word Feminazi, it says reams more about who you are, than anything else ever does.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    Are you going to call Fathers4justice, whom storm TV shows in England and Ireland to promote men's rights -mannazis?

    Deluded,crazy mannazis! Lol. That makes me feel big and powerful to say that.

    Anytime I here someone saying the word Feminazi, it says reams more about who you are, than anything else ever does.

    Fathers for justice are children's rights activists. What could you possibly have against the rights of children?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭The Specialist


    Are you going to call Fathers4justice, whom storm TV shows in England and Ireland to promote men's rights -mannazis?

    Deluded,crazy mannazis! Lol. That makes me feel big and powerful to say that.

    Anytime I here someone saying the word Feminazi, it says reams more about who you are, than anything else ever does.

    You clearly understand nothing about that group but sure when has that ever stopped a feminist from mouthing off?


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FortySeven wrote: »
    Fathers for justice are children's rights activists. What could you possibly have against the rights of children?

    You'd think they'd have stuck "children" in the name of the organisation then.

    Obviously...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    FortySeven wrote: »
    Fathers for justice are children's rights activists. What could you possibly have against the rights of children?

    I support father's for Justice, as any normal human being would.

    They are seeking equality in an area. They are promoting men's rights. You dont hear shouts of mannazis from women, which is like something a 2 year old would say.

    A woman on contrary, speaks about women's rights, and is called a feminazi, deluded, and crazy.

    Big bully boys!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Advbrd


    Are you going to call Fathers4justice, whom storm TV shows in England and Ireland to promote men's rights -mannazis?

    Deluded,crazy mannazis! Lol. That makes me feel big and powerful to say that.

    Anytime I here someone saying the word Feminazi, it says reams more about who you are, than anything else ever does.

    Stop womansplaining dear.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Advbrd wrote: »
    Stop womansplaining dear.

    Believe me when I say your condescending tone means nothing to me.


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