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simx · 30-10-2016 01:00PM

Wes Palmer Lee wrote: »

When were they calving?
If spring calvers it would've been enough for them imo..

Calving nov to end feb

simx · 30-10-2016 01:03PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I think you need to read the orginial post. AA and LM cows not all LM. Good chance Black Lm cows. Even if not I imagine that the lesser prices were for the AA cows. 12-1400 for LM cows is enough for LM cows at present. Value the calf at 350-450 across bulls and heifers next April/May. I imagine that some of the lads buying them intend to calf them down and finish them.

Beef at present is back 30-40c/kg compared to this time last year. Last winter finishers made no money on finishing cattle. With prices of store I cann see lads making money unless factory base price is a nice bit above 4/kg. We are 40c/kg behind that at present. That is 160/head on suckler bred cattle. Last year lads expected 4.2/kg at Christmas they got 3.9/kg that is another 100 euro/head.

Dairy farmers are selling goodish cows for 11-1200/head. These are cows capable of turning over 1800-2100 euro in milk a year at 28c/L and a calf with an average value of over 100 euro once he/she hits the ground. If that man averaged 1200/cow and replaces them with dairy cows he is a hell of a lot better off.

Yes all black lim cows, as cows weren't plain or anything, IMO they were nice sucklers, only a handful made 1250-1460 but were very nice shapely cows

Muckit · 30-10-2016 04:25PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Picked up 8 suckler bred weanlings today 200kg ave. Plainish stock apr-june calves. Happy enough with price of €480. Better than buying sucks any day of week. ☺

Ballinasloe? Were they AA? Charolais with black noses? Bullocks l presume?

Who2 · 30-10-2016 04:56PM

simx wrote: »

Yes all black lim cows, as cows weren't plain or anything, IMO they were nice sucklers, only a handful made 1250-1460 but were very nice shapely cows

It's loads for them, considering the return on them. I know it's not enough if they've been reared straight through but it seems to be the way it's gone. Unfortunately I reckon the end is in sight for the suckler cow. Friesan calves all round from here on I'd say is on the menu.

Wes Palmer Lee · 30-10-2016 06:54PM

Lovely AAx Fr bred springers with AI dockets calving December 600kg+ were being sold for 1150 to 1200 on Friday night.

I know this cos I bought a few myself!

tanko · 30-10-2016 07:11PM

Wes Palmer Lee wrote: »

Lovely AAx Fr bred springers with AI dockets calving December 600kg+ were being sold for 1150 to 1200 on Friday night.

I know this cos I bought a few myself!

What are they in calf to?

Welding Rod · 30-10-2016 07:39PM

Wes Palmer Lee wrote: »

Lovely AAx Fr bred springers with AI dockets calving December 600kg+ were being sold for 1150 to 1200 on Friday night.

I know this cos I bought a few myself!

Won't they be bulling with milk that calf can't cope with early season?? Pure nuisance if you ask me!

Buford T. Justice XIX · 30-10-2016 10:07PM

https://twitter.com/livestock_ie/status/780414570980663296

Might interest a few on here.

cute geoge · 30-10-2016 10:29PM

The turkey live export seems to be taking off big time ,surely it will put a floor under weanling prices

Water John · 30-10-2016 10:33PM

Will there be any left for Christmas?

TITANIUM. · 30-10-2016 10:43PM

cute geoge wrote: »

The turkey live export seems to be taking off big time ,surely it will put a floor under weanling prices

We'd be in a bad way without it alright.
We need to up the export volume big time tho.

Reggie. · 30-10-2016 10:48PM

Water John wrote: »

Will there be any left for Christmas?

The less the better as ill move mine on in late jan or Feb

Wes Palmer Lee · 31-10-2016 01:31PM

Welding Rod wrote: »

Won't they be bulling with milk that calf can't cope with early season?? Pure nuisance if you ask me!

The more the better....I can always take a drop off them for the house!!

Calving to AI AA Bull they are,

Bass Reeves · 10-11-2016 12:55AM

Bought some Fresians in the last few days

430kgs 625 euro (5 in No)
505kgs 750euro (3 in No)
440kgs 650 euro(2 in no) MOX's
380kgs 570euro (single)
445kgs 580 euro(single)

as well bought a bunch outside the ring 355kgs ( real hungry cattle) 460 euro

Mixture of good middle of the road with a few plain ones as well. Some are March and April cattle so good chance of getting QA on them. Not sure if I am right or wrong.

larthehar · 10-11-2016 08:14AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Bought some Fresians in the last few days

430kgs 625 euro (5 in No)
505kgs 750euro (3 in No)
440kgs 650 euro(2 in no) MOX's
380kgs 570euro (single)
445kgs 580 euro(single)

as well bought a bunch outside the ring 355kgs ( real hungry cattle) 460 euro

Mixture of good middle of the road with a few plain ones as well. Some are March and April cattle so good chance of getting QA on them. Not sure if I am right or wrong.

If you kept the money you would only end up paying tax on it i guess... you have to take the risk.. i see tillage lads going back at winter crops again and that would be a bigger risk game in my eyes!

Willfarman · 10-11-2016 10:25AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Bought some Fresians in the last few days

430kgs 625 euro (5 in No)
505kgs 750euro (3 in No)
440kgs 650 euro(2 in no) MOX's
380kgs 570euro (single)
445kgs 580 euro(single)

as well bought a bunch outside the ring 355kgs ( real hungry cattle) 460 euro

Mixture of good middle of the road with a few plain ones as well. Some are March and April cattle so good chance of getting QA on them. Not sure if I am right or wrong.

The lads at 460 have to work out.

Bass Reeves · 11-11-2016 11:44AM

Willfarman wrote: »

The lads at 460 have to work out.

I just look at it slightly different. The Fresians I sold this year on average went for a bit above 1200 euro. These lads came in at 600 euro. I managed to hold my margin. Happy enough with them as about 40-50% have a chance of making QA with ages etc. I am slightly changing my system will try to get them out earlier and get QA on the better FR bullocks that I have instead of powering on the weight into October. Only downside is that I am buying bullocks slightly later than last year. What I paid last year and what I get next yera is immaterial as long as I maintain the margin between the selling price of the stock bought last year (which are this years kill) and the purchases price cattle bought for next years kill.

I think this is what is killing farmers that deal in short term cattle and spring grazing, at certain times of the year you are competing with uneconomical buying compared to your selling price.

Western Pomise · 11-11-2016 11:49AM

cute geoge wrote: »

The turkey live export seems to be taking off big time ,surely it will put a floor under weanling prices

Is Turkish trade just for Bull calves?

Bass Reeves · 11-11-2016 11:54AM

Western Pomise wrote: »

Is Turkish trade just for Bull calves?

Yes and rumour is that they have enough weanlings at present in quaratine to fill the boats until after Christmas.

Willfarman · 11-11-2016 12:22PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I just look at it slightly different. The Fresians I sold this year on average went for a bit above 1200 euro. These lads came in at 600 euro. I managed to hold my margin. Happy enough with them as about 40-50% have a chance of making QA with ages etc. I am slightly changing my system will try to get them out earlier and get QA on the better FR bullocks that I have instead of powering on the weight into October. Only downside is that I am buying bullocks slightly later than last year. What I paid last year and what I get next yera is immaterial as long as I maintain the margin between the selling price of the stock bought last year (which are this years kill) and the purchases price cattle bought for next years kill.

I think this is what is killing farmers that deal in short term cattle and spring grazing, at certain times of the year you are competing with uneconomical buying compared to your selling price.

Would you be tempted to move up to Angus her types? Take lads bought 500 kg @ 750. Put a hundred to it you'd be into em at minute. 1.80 kg.

Bass Reeves · 11-11-2016 12:57PM

Willfarman wrote: »

Would you be tempted to move up to Angus her types? Take lads bought 500 kg @ 750. Put a hundred to it you'd be into em at minute. 1.80 kg.

Would not be tempted by AA's in general good ones kill 340ish kgs at O+. Would have to put on a par weight for weight would have to puy nearly 200 with them to buy AA's. Was trying to buy a few HE but getting squeezed out (465kgs at 850). Had a few nice LMX cattle this year kiling 380kgs and AA on the cards:). The other factors is capital tied up. 50 Fresians will cost say 33K in the yard, 50 Herefords will cost 44K in the yard. 50 CHX could cost 55K.

Muckit · 11-11-2016 01:10PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

as long as I maintain the margin between the selling price of the stock bought last year (which are this years kill) and the purchases price cattle bought for next years kill.

Bob Charles always said this is the way lads should be looking at things. In fairness its more tangible. None of us have a crystal ball for the trade down the line.

Willfarman · 12-11-2016 03:16PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Would not be tempted by AA's in general good ones kill 340ish kgs at O+. Would have to put on a par weight for weight would have to puy nearly 200 with them to buy AA's. Was trying to buy a few HE but getting squeezed out (465kgs at 850). Had a few nice LMX cattle this year kiling 380kgs and AA on the cards:). The other factors is capital tied up. 50 Fresians will cost say 33K in the yard, 50 Herefords will cost 44K in the yard. 50 CHX could cost 55K.

I concur on the point of what money is invested however if you are wanting to kill earlier in the year ie July.
and hope to hit the qa the Angus and her tend to work out for this system.
Unless you can source the real good butty type. Bought good 5 good quality her last week March 15 478kg 870€. Tried damdest to put up picture but can't work it.

ELP · 12-11-2016 04:08PM

Sold a few stores today
570 grey ch 1095
560 yellow ch 1085
378 yellow ch 660 cow had little milk so got a bad start. Would have kept him on if I had a house.
April May 15 cattle

Willfarman · 12-11-2016 09:31PM

These lads

CloughCasey1 · 13-11-2016 08:53AM

Willfarman wrote: »

These lads

Nice square types. €1.80 was good going for them. Were they all in same lot? You planning a june finish?

Willfarman · 13-11-2016 10:01AM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Nice square types. €1.80 was good going for them. Were they all in same lot? You planning a june finish?

4 and 1 all one mans. Heavy land here so early turn out never works out good. So either April finish or it'll be July.

valtra2 · 13-11-2016 11:30AM

Last of bulls gone this week. Jan Feb March bulls. Avg weight 460kg .216 ton of meal each. 56 euro. Haven't worked out all daily gain but best was 1.8kg per day. Adv probably about 1.5 or 1.6. Adv price was 1005.

Cavanjack · 13-11-2016 01:00PM

valtra2 wrote: »

Last of bulls gone this week. Jan Feb March bulls. Avg weight 460kg .216 ton of meal each. 56 euro. Haven't worked out all daily gain but best was 1.8kg per day. Adv probably about 1.5 or 1.6. Adv price was 1005.

Great weights, suitable for 16month bull beef. Charolais I presume.

valtra2 · 13-11-2016 01:17PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Great weights, suitable for 16month bull beef. Charolais I presume.

Ya all except one or two Sholould be. Checked last year and a lot were exported. No lm of lmx and hex cows. Going to try finished a few myself next year.

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