El Presidente Trump

Grayson · 09-11-2016 06:04PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Trump already denies climate change as a plot by the Chinese. How he thinks China is modifying the data coming in from across the world is beyond me but then again he probably hasn't put that much thought into it.

I was watching a trump spokesperson last night. They said that the US should ignore all climate pledges.

YellowSheep · 09-11-2016 06:04PM

9/11.....disaster date

DEFTLEFTHAND · 09-11-2016 06:08PM

wes wrote: »

I made no such claim. Fact remains that some of his supporters are literal KKK, and imho its fair game to state that fact.

If you want an end to being pc, and if people want to play fast and loose with the facts, then its a 2 way street.

I'm sure many of the 5000 are, but that's democracy, they can vote for whoever they want to.

Don't worry about them ever becoming relevant again. The modern day KKK consists of a bunch of unemployed rednecks who sit around drinking beer in their back gardens and play dress up at the weekends. More pitied than feared these days.

AnGaelach · 09-11-2016 06:08PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Also the power of the Electoral College depends on where you live. If you're in Wyoming there is a Electoral vote for each 143k people. In New York it's one for every 520k people. So a vote in Wyoming is "worth" nearly four times a New York vote when translated into the Electoral College.

The EU uses the same thing, it's to ensure the smaller states have a more equal footing with the larger ones.

Or should Germany increase its MEP count from 99 to 228 while Ireland sees no increase?

Das Reich · 09-11-2016 06:08PM

wes wrote: »

He already got the Crimea, and none of those Nukes were much good there. Maybe he will take the rest of the Ukraine soon.

Hope the takes Italy soon as the EU is forcing the country to accept homosexual marriage. London is the cancer of Europe not Moskva.

09-11-2016 06:08PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Lol, Enda already rowing back on what he said about "racist and dangerous."

Nobody cares about this outside of Leinster House, the Irish media bubble, and anyone else who thinks Irish politics is the centre of the world.

Enda kenny is near the back of a very long line of obscure Heads of Government who have expressed dissatisfaction with Donald Trump.

This evening, the President of France (who recently said: "His excesses make you want to retch") has said that Trump's victory opens a lot of uncertainty.

International politics isn't a harem with everyone preening one another. Outside of Ireland, very few people know or care who Enda Kenny is, and what he thinks about Trump does not matter.

This, on the other hand:

https://twitter.com/AntonWSJ/status/796311131639971841

_Jamie_ · 09-11-2016 06:08PM

Well, despite being very disappointed with result, Trump is the gaffer over there now so everyone needs to look to the positives of the situation. This result strongly signals that people are fed up with the political establishment and it really highlights that complacency is always a bad thing. I know hindsight is 20/20 but Hilary was complacent. I've mentioned it a few times today and I'm like a broken record but the fact that she didn't once campaign in Wisconsin after her primary win there really surprised me. If she didn't campaign there, where else didn't she bother her hoop campaigning in? And despite the fact that I'd have voted for her, I have to agree that wheeling out pampered, privileged celebs was a terrible move on her part and IMO, she misjudged the mood of the people.

I'm also really hoping for the good of the US and the world that once in office, Trump will go back on some of his more outlandish campaign claims. Other people might not be so pleased with that though but he's in now, job done! And who knows, maybe his presidency will be a disaster, to use one of his favourite expressions, and drive voters back into the loving arms of the Democrats. :pac:

One thing though - people are saying Sanders would have won if it was him. Honestly, I'm not sure about that. Socialism is treated with suspicion by many over there and a lot of Democrats would in reality be moderate right wing. I think he would have had a better shot than Hillary but I wouldn't at all think he would have been a shoo-in.

And finally, I really wouldn't lean too hard on the misogyny angle. I don't believe that was a big factor at all. Sure, you'll always have sexist old coots out there who wouldn't vote for a woman but Hillary seems to have won the popular vote. That really doesn't indicate that people were reluctant to vote for a woman.

wes · 09-11-2016 06:09PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

They wouldn't be building a nuclear arsenal now anyway though, it'd take them years to reach the level of enrichment needed... And the deal only freezes the enrichment they're allowed for 10 years, it doesn't actually mean they have to dial back what they currently were doing.

Now, there is no chance of a nuclear arsenal as the deal puts the kabosh on that.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Chances are, Iran would've seen a middle class revolt against the Theocracy before they reached enrichment capacity.

Again, a what if. A what if isn't worth a damn, in the face of an agreement that is working.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Right now, Rouhani is in a very unstable position.

That sucks, but what do you propose? That another Middle Eastern country is invaded by the US? I am sure the Al Qaeda and the ISIS's of the world would love nothing more, especially as it would take out there biggest enemy.

Or tearing up a deal that is working and trying sanctions again. There won't be the same broad support, as it the US would rightly be blame for the mess that would cause.

Renegade Mechanic · 09-11-2016 06:10PM

I reckon there's a market for a piss take "Trumpnado" film..

Ulysses Gaze · 09-11-2016 06:11PM

Jeez...talk about Special Snowflake meltdowns on Twitter.....

Grayson · 09-11-2016 06:12PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

I reckon there's a market for a piss take "Trumpnado" film..

Now I'm going to have nightmares about giant trumps flying around in a tornado. Thanks.

And a quick google shows that people are already thinking that way.

http://robrogers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/072815_Trumpnado.jpg

wes · 09-11-2016 06:12PM

Das Reich wrote: »

Hope the takes Italy soon as the EU is forcing the country to accept homosexual marriage.

Nothing wrong with marriage equality and doubt the EU is forcing any such thing on Italy.

Das Reich wrote: »

London is the cancer of Europe not Moskva.

London are on there way out.

09-11-2016 06:12PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Jeez...talk about Special Snowflake meltdowns on Twitter.....

I'd rather some snowflakes melting than a Trump supporter in meltdown.

Nobody wants an angry idiot with no future and a firearm having a meltdown on their street.

_Jamie_ · 09-11-2016 06:13PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Outside of Ireland, very few people know or care who Enda Kenny is, and what he thinks about Trump does not matter.

Once I was watching France24 and they referred to Enda as a she.

This was when he was opposition leader but still though - LOL.

09-11-2016 06:13PM

Broken Hearted Road wrote: »

She just about able to string a sentence together. When she was allowed to talk the media and people picked up on her speeches as being copied from others.

God, I remember when Obama was elected. He spoke so much praise for his wife and so much. They made such a lovely family.

During Trump's speech this morning - he barely made reference to his wife. There was some sort of a quick thank you or some such added in along with others but the mentioning of his wife was very brief. Shows to me that he has contempt for his wife.

I think she speaks 5 or 6 languages. So that's hardly true at all.

Renegade Mechanic · 09-11-2016 06:13PM

Grayson wrote: »

Now I'm going to have nightmares about giant trumps flying around in a tornado. Thanks.

Gonna make for a hell of a final scene, driving a chainsaw through that gut!

AnGaelach · 09-11-2016 06:14PM

wes wrote: »

Now, there is no chance of a nuclear arsenal as the deal puts the kabosh on that.

It doesn't though. It only freezes their enrichment for 10 years, it doesn't take away any of the capabilities they've built up over the years.

wes wrote: »

That sucks, but what do you propose? That another Middle Eastern country is invaded by the US? I am sure the Al Qaeda and the ISIS's of the world would love nothing more, especially as it would take out there biggest enemy.

Or tearing up a deal that is working and trying sanctions again. There won't be the same broad support, as it the US would rightly be blame for the mess that would cause.

It's not working though, and the US will come into conflict with Iran eventually. Either directly (over nuclear ambition) or indirectly (the US is allied with the Saudis and Turkey is a NATO member - both of whom are threatened by Iran's drive to become the dominant power in the region).

Would you rather the US imposes sanctions again now, and sees that repressive theocratic shít-show of a regime fall under a popular, middle-class driven revolution... Or the US (and NATO) has to deploy troops to occupy the country and turn it into Iraq 2?

Grayson · 09-11-2016 06:15PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Gonna make for a hell of a final scene, driving a chainsaw through that gut!

Except then we'll see all these tiny little trumps escape from the corpse and run off (You need to set up the sequel)

rob316 · 09-11-2016 06:18PM

Omackeral wrote: »

I think she speaks 5 or 6 languages. So that's hardly true at all.

She speaks six languages: her native Slovenian, and then Serbo-Croatian, English, French, Italian and German

namloc1980 · 09-11-2016 06:19PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

The EU uses the same thing, it's to ensure the smaller states have a more equal footing with the larger ones.

Or should Germany increase its MEP count from 99 to 228 while Ireland sees no increase?

That's different. This is to select a single person as president. Not a representative number of people to sit in parliament. If there was a vote for a hypothetical EU president would you be happy with a system where someone in Estonia had four times the voting power of an Italian?

wes · 09-11-2016 06:21PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

It doesn't though. It only freezes their enrichment for 10 years, it doesn't take away any of the capabilities they've built up over the years.

Stop them from increasing them, and inspections will ensure that. Agreement can be revisted after the 10 years are up. The fact is that, it is working,

AnGaelach wrote: »

It's not working though, and the US will come into conflict with Iran eventually. Either directly (over nuclear ambition) or indirectly (the US is allied with the Saudis and Turkey is a NATO member - both of whom are threatened by Iran's drive to become the dominant power in the region).

Yes, it is working in that it has frozen Iran's programme. Again, trading a what if for a certainty is not worth while.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Would you rather the US imposes sanctions again now, and sees that repressive theocratic shít-show of a regime fall under a popular, middle-class driven revolution... Or the US (and NATO) has to deploy troops to occupy the country and turn it into Iraq 2?

Sanctions would fail, as the US wouldn't get the same coalition as they did before, as they would be the ones tearing up the agreement.

Again, trading a what if for a certainty. The agreement is working as per the stated aim. You have no way of knowing any kind of uprising would happen in a scenarios where the US tore up the deal. Especially as sanctions would be unlikely to have the same kind of coalition. The Chinese wouldn't join in all likelihood in such a situation for example.

09-11-2016 06:24PM

rob316 wrote: »

She speaks six languages: her native Slovenian, and then Serbo-Croatian, English, French, Italian and German

What, she ain't speak American? Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit yeehaw

ISOP · 09-11-2016 06:25PM

a victory for democracy

09-11-2016 06:26PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Because you tell me I'm doing something...............has zero effect on me whatsoever.

Do you think Trump has embarassed himself saying 'you can grab pussy whenever you want'.?

Do you think men have embarrassed themselves on here saying 'let's grab loads of pussy', and 'the pussening'.

If not, you're a hypocrite.

The minute you said we live in rape culture was the minute I stopped taking you seriously.

AnGaelach · 09-11-2016 06:26PM

wes wrote: »

Stop them from increasing them, and inspections will ensure that. Agreement can be revisted after the 10 years are up. The fact is that, it is working.

I wouldn't put much faith in the UN inspections, they didn't even know about an Iranian nuclear program until the Israelis told everyone about it and threatened to bomb them.

wes wrote: »

Yes, it is working in that it has frozen Iran's programme. Again, trading a what if for a certainty is not worth while.

Frozen is not the same as stopping Iran's program. If I pause a movie, would you say I've turned it off?

wes wrote: »

Sanctions would fail, as the US wouldn't get the same coalition as they did before, as they would be the ones tearing up the agreement.

Again, trading a what if for a certainty. The agreement is working as per the stated aim. You have no way of knowing any kind of uprising would happen in a scenarios where the US tore up the deal. Especially as sanctions would be unlikely to have the same kind of coalition. The Chinese wouldn't join in all likelihood in such a situation for example.

And the US could unilaterally take it a step further by freezing Iran out of everything - it's been months and Western banks still haven't invested in Iran because of lingering worries about US penalties for doing so.

Jamiekelly · 09-11-2016 06:26PM

In 2012 trump tweeted the electoral college system was a disaster. Ironically it was the same system that allowed him to win, considering Clinton actually has more of the popular vote.

Reminds me of Farage in the UK after the general election when his party had 10% of the popular vote but only got one MP, he went on a tirade about the first past the post system and how the UK should adopt proportional representation instead. Completely undermining the whole point of constitutional monarchy in his own proud "kingdom".

Oh, has anyone else noticed the strangeness of Clinton not contesting the result? Gore did in 2000 and he had a very similar and strong case. Clinton knows for a fact that if this result was reversed the other way and Trump had lost with more of the popular vote, he would be mounting his legal challenge with the Gore defence at the very centre of it.

Am I seriously the only one who smells a rat here?

midlandsmissus · 09-11-2016 06:29PM

Omackeral wrote: »

The minute you said we live in rape culture, let's uprise was the minute I stopped taking you seriously.

And I couldn't care less.

09-11-2016 06:32PM

Jamiekelly wrote: »

In 2012 trump tweeted the electoral college system was a disaster. Ironically it was the same system that allowed him to win, considering Clinton actually has more of the popular vote.

In fairness, what do you want him to do about that? Not participate because he disagrees with the system? Resign because he disagrees with the system?

Reminds me of Farage in the UK after the general election when his party had 10% of the popular vote but only got one MP, he went on a tirade about the first past the post system and how the UK should adopt proportional representation instead. Completely undermining the whole point of constitutional monarchy in his own proud "kingdom".

What?
PR doesn't undermine the British constitution or monarchy. He made a valid point. First past the post is a crap system.

Oh, has anyone else noticed the strangeness of Clinton not contesting the result? Gore did in 2000 and he had a very similar and strong case.

Gore didn't have a strong case on the national poll. That isn't what Bush v Gore was about.

Am I seriously the only one who smells a rat here?

Everything in your post is incorrect.

namloc1980 · 09-11-2016 06:33PM

Jamiekelly wrote: »

In 2012 trump tweeted the electoral college system was a disaster. Ironically it was the same system that allowed him to win, considering Clinton actually has more of the popular vote.

Reminds me of Farage in the UK after the general election when his party had 10% of the popular vote but only got one MP, he went on a tirade about the first past the post system and how the UK should adopt proportional representation instead. Completely undermining the whole point of constitutional monarchy in his own proud "kingdom".

Oh, has anyone else noticed the strangeness of Clinton not contesting the result? Gore did in 2000 and he had a very similar and strong case. Clinton knows for a fact that if this result was reversed the other way and Trump had lost with more of the popular vote, he would be mounting his legal challenge with the Gore defence at the very centre of it.

Am I seriously the only one who smells a rat here?

On what basis would she challenge? Gore was challenging the manner of the recount of votes in Florida as there was a tiny margin of victory for Bush.

wes · 09-11-2016 06:33PM

AnGaelach wrote: »

I wouldn't put much faith in the UN inspections, they didn't even know about an Iranian nuclear program until the Israelis told everyone about it and threatened to bomb them.

That is hardly accurate. There weapons programme, was scrapped back in 2003 according to US intelligence. Secondly the agreement allows for far more stringent checks. You are being unfair in that regard, as the inspectors now have more power.

AnGaelach wrote: »

Frozen is not the same as stopping Iran's program. If I pause a movie, would you say I've turned it off?

A pause that works for a decade, is better than a what if.

AnGaelach wrote: »

And the US could unilaterally take it a step further by freezing Iran out of everything - it's been months and Western banks still haven't invested in Iran because of lingering worries about US penalties for doing so.

Great, so now they break the deal. Guess what, no one will make a deal with them next time. Reneging on the deal for a what if, is insane.

El Presidente Trump

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