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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #7712
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    HensVassal wrote: »
    Blaming the people for their decision is bull****.

    Who should we blame then? Surely it's a tenet of democracy that the people take responsibility for the decisions they make?


  • #7713
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Jawgap wrote: »
    And how does any of that support this....



    now if only the Yanks would get rid of the pesky Bill of Rights that's stop the Fifth Amendment getting in the way of such additive justice......

    Seems like innuendo, supposition and circumstance will be enough to get you denounced in the world of the Trump supporter.

    Quite deplorable actually.

    Because from what I read ( and i'm no expert ) the DOJ can block the FBI going forward on investigations, asking for search warrants etc.

    Given that Clinton has openly colluded with 2 DOJ officers in the first email investigation ( one she should have never gotten away with ), I think assuming there's people there protecting her is a normal assumption.

    Bear in mind we only get certain emails from the leaks, so there's a strong possibility the collusion was on a much higher level with many different people.


  • #7714
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Deleted User wrote: »
    But realistically, its to stop politicians campaigning for what only matters to the most populated places.. "I'm going to make sure the west coast has all the jobs and there are no taxes in any major city on the east coast."
    Sorry not an American so not a voter or a loser of the election but what you describe is what already happens today except they are called swing states instead. And in those swing states the politicians will target their part of the state (be it the major towns or rural) to get most bang for the buck as well. Moving it to let's say 50 regions split on even population instead with popular vote being the deciding factor would open up the number of swing states a lot more and without the winner takes all approach all those 50 states are now in play and are important.


  • #7715
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Looks like she won the popular vote..... carnage in the stock market. Interesting times ahead. His initial speech was encouraging though. No Hillary bashing, very sensible and dignified compared to what I was expecting.


  • #7716
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Remember those words when the Russian tanks are crossing borders.

    Apple and those other US companies that make stuff in China must be ecstatic. If you have shares in any of them, sell them the minute the market opens today.

    Like the Russian "invasion" of Ukraine I'll be asking you "Whatever happened to those Russian tanks crossing the borders?"

    :pac:


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  • #7717
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    Jawgap wrote: »
    The contractors are already lined up......

    I think I know what the Americans would say to that :)


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  • #7718
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    vetinari wrote: »
    Comey you ****ing traitor, what an absolute c**t. He deserves to be in prison.

    With Hillary?

    It's her fault, she ran the private server.


  • #7719
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    If someone like Trump ran here with a simple plan to abolish car tax, cut income tax and provide jobs he would win.

    We already had that guy in '77. Charles Haughy. Look where that got us.


  • #7720
    Thomas_...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Thomas_...


    26000 Elephants wrote: »
    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    If someone like Trump ran here with a simple plan to abolish car tax, cut income tax and provide jobs he would win.

    We already had that guy in '77. Charles Haughy. Look where that got us.
    Celtic Tiger, messed up by Bertie.


  • #7721
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »

    ...Those people would go to jail or at the very least have a trial.

    There is really no hope for America now, is there?


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  • #7722
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nody wrote: »
    Sorry not an American so not a voter or a loser of the election but what you describe is what already happens today except they are called swing states instead. And in those swing states the politicians will target their part of the state (be it the major towns or rural) to get most bang for the buck as well. Moving it to let's say 50 regions split on even population instead with popular vote being the deciding factor would open up the number of swing states a lot more and without the winner takes all approach all those 50 states are now in play and are important.

    I guess the swing states have a significant number of electoral college votes available and are usually hotly contested.. California has an incredible number of votes (56 I think) but is very Democratic so isn't a swing state. It's a given that Hillary would get it whereas the swing states could go either way.

    To get into why they target certain areas, a lot of it comes down to Gerrymandering which is a ridiculous notion altogether. There's likely far more to it but I'm not versed in this stuff.


  • #7723
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,246 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    vetinari wrote: »
    Comey you ****ing traitor, what an absolute c**t. He deserves to be in prison.

    He had political pressure right from the top coming down on him to write that letter on Sunday. He's just a man, even you would have protected your interests . He had an invisible gun to his head.


  • #7724
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    Jawgap wrote: »
    How?

    Seriously how?

    His speech struck a nice tone, but how is he going to reduce taxes and increase infrastructure spending and maintain fiscal discipline?

    Maybe sell one aircraft carrier? That should settle the infrastructure bill.


  • #7725
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Sorry, what?

    Clinton "targets weak minorities and manipulates the media"? What is it that Trump does?

    The DNC, Hillary's party, openly collude with major news networks like CNN.

    CNN is basically propraganda for the liberals. NBC and others have emails showing collusion too. There's a TONNE of stuff.

    Here's an example from Wikileaks and a CNN puppet called Wolf Blitzer

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3912164/Latest-Wikileaks-dump-8-000-new-emails-shows-DNC-prepared-anchors-Wolf-Blitzer-Jake-Tapper-interviews-Trump-Cruz.html

    About the minorities, that's what she does. She meets in private with black lives matter etc, when IMO she doesn't give a crap about any of them and only wants their vote.



    She had the entire mainstream media on her side, up against a supposed "Racist" (cnn propapanda) and still lost in a landslide. Pathetic really, maybe if she wasn't so fake people would have believed the crap she spiels


  • #7726
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Because from what I read ( and i'm no expert ) the DOJ can block the FBI going forward on investigations, asking for search warrants etc.

    DoJ doesn't grant search warrants - and yes a USADA can opt not apply for one if they feel the evidentiary test is not met - how is that anything other than good legal practice?

    Under Trump with the FBI get pre-signed blank search warrants to be filled in when they need them?
    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Given that Clinton has openly colluded with 2 DOJ officers in the first email investigation ( one she should have never gotten away with ), I think assuming there's people there protecting her is a normal assumption.

    Bear in mind we only get certain emails from the leaks, so there's a strong possibility the collusion was on a much higher level with many different people.

    Which DoJ officers and where's the evidence?

    And what? You presume she's guilty and the evidence is there just waiting to be found?


  • #7727
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #7728
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As a sidenote, to anyone who may doubt media bias, The Guardian just had this up when analysing his speech.

    Trump has here pledged a moderated version of his “America first” slogan, which he stopped using in recent weeks – the Anti-Defamation League has noted the phrase’s origins among isolationists and Nazi sympathizers before the second world war. This new variation is both typical of presidential candidates – high-flying, optimistic, friendly to the world and very vague – and specific to Trump: “beautiful”, without details and with a hint of grievance.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/nov/09/president-victory-speech-annotated

    I can see why so many people thought she was going to win.. When popular media write up stuff like that.
    That isn't an editorial.. That's going all-in on Godwin's Law.


  • #7729
    Thomas_...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Thomas_...


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Jawgap wrote: »
    Sorry, what?

    Clinton "targets weak minorities and manipulates the media"? What is it that Trump does?

    The DNC, Hillary's party, openly collude with major news networks like CNN.

    CNN is basically propraganda for the liberals. NBC and others have emails showing collusion too. There's a TONNE of stuff.

    Here's an example from Wikileaks and a CNN puppet called Wolf Blitzer

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3912164/Latest-Wikileaks-dump-8-000-new-emails-shows-DNC-prepared-anchors-Wolf-Blitzer-Jake-Tapper-interviews-Trump-Cruz.html

    About the minorities, that's what she does. She meets in private with black lives matter etc, when IMO she doesn't give a crap about any of them and only wants their vote.



    She had the entire mainstream media on her side, up against a supposed "Racist" (cnn propapanda) and still lost in a landslide. Pathetic really, maybe if she wasn't so fake people would have believed the crap she spiels
    Every politician is seeking to get the votes for him-/herself in the first place and frankly, I don't hold wikileaks as that reliable and unbiased as many like to see them. I often wonder who else has any interests in their work and who is behind it. I don't buy them their story of being "the Knights of the truth". Otherwise, Mr Assange wouldn't had the need to hide himself in an embassy of a foreign state in London, wouldn't he?


  • #7730
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    HensVassal wrote: »
    Maybe sell one aircraft carrier? That should settle the infrastructure bill.

    To who?

    Leaving aside who might be able to afford one, the US aside who has the capacity, knowhow and experience to operate a Nimitz class strike carrier, along with its CBG, strike group and replenishment support?


  • #7731
    130Kph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 625 ✭✭✭130Kph


    Maintaining the electoral college system is an unnecessary mistake – it’s muddling a logical popular vote method to elect a government with a geographic first past the post winner take all weighting (based on 18th century circumstances & thinking).

    A third political party might help; a gutted and completely new democratic party may help.

    But a deeper division is rural (lower skilled/unskilled) conservatives versus urban democrats.

    Huge numbers of people are not doing well out of capitalism – made worse by globalisation.

    This result is, in my opinion, all about the age old question of wealth distribution.

    So 60 million (mostly rural) Americans need to be re-tooled (quickly) to compete with the South Koreans/Germans on one hand and Indonesians & Thais on the other.
    Trump will absolutely not do it; the thing is, I don’t think any party or even economist has the answer to a problem of that scale.


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  • #7732
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    The DNC, Hillary's party, openly collude with major news networks like CNN.

    CNN is basically propraganda for the liberals. NBC and others have emails showing collusion too. There's a TONNE of stuff.

    Here's an example from Wikileaks and a CNN puppet called Wolf Blitzer

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3912164/Latest-Wikileaks-dump-8-000-new-emails-shows-DNC-prepared-anchors-Wolf-Blitzer-Jake-Tapper-interviews-Trump-Cruz.html

    About the minorities, that's what she does. She meets in private with black lives matter etc, when IMO she doesn't give a crap about any of them and only wants their vote.



    She had the entire mainstream media on her side, up against a supposed "Racist" (cnn propapanda) and still lost in a landslide. Pathetic really, maybe if she wasn't so fake people would have believed the crap she spiels

    And that paragon of unbiased reporting of fact - Fox?


  • #7733
    vetinari
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭vetinari


    Hopefully it'll be the Trump supporters that get ****ed the most by the impending recession. Their jobs aren't coming back because they no longer ****ing exist.


  • #7734
    Saipanne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭Saipanne


    Does anyone think Trump's victory is good news for Julian Assange?


  • #7735
    Kilboor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Kilboor


    Next George Soros ****s off and I'm even happier


  • #7736
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Jawgap wrote: »
    DoJ doesn't grant search warrants - and yes a USADA can opt not apply for one if they feel the evidentiary test is not met - how is that anything other than good legal practice?

    Under Trump with the FBI get pre-signed blank search warrants to be filled in when they need them?



    Which DoJ officers and where's the evidence?

    And what? You presume she's guilty and the evidence is there just waiting to be found?

    I think she's guilty obviously.. like Trey Gowdy said her real trial was in the election tonight and she lost. Look on wikileaks reddit, there's more info there on Hillary and her team. Some of it is disgusting.


  • #7737
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Putin says Russia ready to fully restore ties with U.S.

    I'll happily take that over the instant problems that Hillary was going to cause.


  • #7738
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Does anyone think Trump's victory is good news for Julian Assange?

    No, not really.. Great news for Ecuador though.


  • #7739
    HensVassal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Markets will be down 30-50% within a week.

    OK......put your money where your mouth is. Open a spreadtrading account, stick 10grand in it and short sell everything you can starting this afternoon. You'll be rich this time 2 weeks.

    Or you could just be waffling, making halfbaked sour grapes comments.


  • #7740
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Does anyone think Trump's victory is good news for Julian Assange?

    I feel so bad for him stuck in that embassy. He must worry about his Family all the time. That "Rape" charge drawing him to Sweden is a big fat lie.

    There's no doubts wikileaks helped Trump immensely exposing the corruption of Clinton and her cronies. #pizza :(

    Would be great if Trump could help him.


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  • #7741
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    Let's see. Some effects of a Trump win...

    Barbara Streisand is moving to Canada, Cher is moving to Jupiter, and Miley Cyrus is moving to some country where clothing is optional. Amy Schumer is moving to Spain, George Lopez is going to Mexico, Jon Stewart is moving to another planet (to be determined), and Chelsea Handler and Whoopi Goldberg have already made contingency plans... destination unknown. Samuel L. Jackson is moving to South Africa, Lena Dunham and Neve Campbell to Canada, and Natasha Lyonne said she would hightail it to a mental hospital. Best of all... Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said it’d be time to move to New Zealand -- GREAT another SCOTUS pick for Trump. Is there any way we can hold these celebrities to their words?


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