2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Jawgap · 09-11-2016 02:41PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

No mention of The Wall in his acceptance speech.

Do you think he'll backslide on building it, now that he's promised to be the president for All Americans?

The contractors are already lined up......

Jawgap · 09-11-2016 02:42PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Hillary didn't even walk out to concede and say thanks to her supporters, she sent that creep Podesta to do it when they all knew they were beat.

So don't talk about morals

If Trump did that people would be lapping it up.

Nice, but obvious pivot.

Do you still think he should work to get a special prosecutor appointed to investigate Clinton?

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 09-11-2016 02:46PM

Thomas_... wrote: »

Maybe he s just - for a while - shifting priorities and will bring the deportation of all the 2mil illegal immigrants on its way before getting back to the wall subject.

Sure it'd be handier to fire them all out of the country without a nasty wall in the way. Once the undesirables are relocated they can build the defences to keep them out.

Hank Scorpio · 09-11-2016 02:46PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Nice, but obvious pivot.

Do you still think he should work to get a special prosecutor appointed to investigate Clinton?

Considering if anyone else in the Country besides Obama maybe had done what she did with the email situation and the Foundation corruption ( there's literally emails of them talking about how to hide the corruption ), those people would go to jail or at the very least have a trial.

Nobody should be above the law.

Clearly I don't like her if that's what you're getting at, I find it sick how she targets weak minorities and manipulates the media.

Jawgap · 09-11-2016 02:48PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Considering if anyone else in the Country besides Obama maybe had done what she did with the email situation and the Foundation corruption ( there's literally emails of them talking about to hide the corruption ), those people would go to jail or at the very least have a trial.

Nobody should be above the law.

Indeed, but do you think it's appropriate for the President to concern themselves with such matters or should it be left to those charged with upholding the law?

Do you think, for example, he should dismiss Comer as FBI Director?

TheOven · 09-11-2016 02:48PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

This kind of disparaging statement and sentiment is exactly what energises the people you are talking about.

For people who complain about political correctness you really have to tip toe around them.

BoJack Horseman · 09-11-2016 02:50PM

county by county:

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Jawgap · 09-11-2016 02:50PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

......

Clearly I don't like her if that's what you're getting at, I find it sick how she targets weak minorities and manipulates the media.

Sorry, what?

Clinton "targets weak minorities and manipulates the media"? What is it that Trump does?

Thomas_... · 09-11-2016 02:50PM

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Thomas_... wrote: »

Maybe he s just - for a while - shifting priorities and will bring the deportation of all the 2mil illegal immigrants on its way before getting back to the wall subject.

Sure it'd be handier to fire them all out of the country without a nasty wall in the way. Once the undesirables are relocated they can build the defences to keep them out.

That is what I mean he might thinking.

Overheal · 09-11-2016 02:50PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

No mention of The Wall in his acceptance speech.

Do you think he'll backslide on building it, now that he's promised to be the president for All Americans?

I think he'll claim he never said it

Nody · 09-11-2016 02:50PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Considering if anyone else in the Country besides Obama maybe had done what she did with the email situation and the Foundation corruption ( there's literally emails of them talking about how to hide the corruption ), those people would go to jail or at the very least have a trial.

Nobody should be above the law.

Clearly I don't like her if that's what you're getting at, I find it sick how she targets weak minorities and manipulates the media.

Funny that how Bush and cronies who made sure 22 million e-mails between 2003 and 2009 never got saved and ignored senate subpoenas never ended up in a trial or went to jail...

HensVassal · 09-11-2016 02:51PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

As with Brexit and to a lesser extent the Irish Election , the US people would seem to have allowed their not unreasonable anger and frustration at a broken system over-ride common sense.

Just as Brexit is absolutely not the right thing for the UK , Trump is absolutely not the right thing for the US in terms of fixing the things that are broken.

The Frustrated "Ordinary guy" has just voted for self-immolation to clear up a rash.

As I previously said , I totally understand that people were/are frustrated with the system in the US. Just as I understood peoples frustration in the UK and as I understood people in Ireland feeling that they had missed out on any recovery that was being described by Government.

But the reaction to that shouldn't be a vote for utter chaos , which is what they are now seeing in the UK with Brexit , which awaits the US with Trump and that we are beginning to see here in Ireland with a neutered government having to roll over for every union request that comes their way..

Will people learn the hard way?

Bollocks QD. Blaming the people for their decision is bull****. After 8 years of war, lies, corruption and the greatest financial heist in human history, the people voted the Bushistas out and put in Obama who promised them the moon and stars. An end to Iraq and Afghanistan, and end to torture and end to Guantanamo, change they "could believe in". The lying sack of vomit welshed on every promise and bailed out banks, expanded wars, surveillance, drone killings, fracking, you name it. During his tenure they tried to air their grievances and they were beaten off the streets (Occupy Wall street anyone?). And then the establishment throw Hillary Clinton in their face?
I don't know what Trump will do. I don't care if he spends the next 4 years on vacation. I'd be happy with an end to the bullshit propaganda campaign against Russia and and end to US meddling in Syria so Putin could finally vanquish ISIS and let the 6 million refugees return and rebuild their country. I smile when I think of Hillary cleaning out her desk and facing the prospect of sitting out her days in Connecticut or Martha's vineyard with nobody to terrorise and boss around except the maid.

Hank Scorpio · 09-11-2016 02:51PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Indeed, but do you think it's appropriate for the President to concern themselves with such matters or should it be left to those charged with upholding the law?

Do you think, for example, he should dismiss Comer as FBI Director?

Comey was pressured by the DOJ. The DOJ was actually colluding with Clinton in the initial email investigation. On two counts, Billo meeting yer wan in the back of the plane, and Hillary getting a email called "heads up" from Kadzik telling her what's going to be coming up.

Farcical when you think of it.

09-11-2016 02:51PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Considering if anyone else in the Country besides Obama maybe had done what she did with the email situation and the Foundation corruption ( there's literally emails of them talking about to hide the corruption ), those people would go to jail or at the very least have a trial.

Why didn't Colin Powell go to prison for doing the same?

Or George W. Bush?

Thomas_... · 09-11-2016 02:52PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

county by county:

I see too much red in there. Too much of it an today is just another sh1te day in this awkward year 2016.

Jawgap · 09-11-2016 02:53PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Comey was pressured by the DOJ. The DOJ was actually colluding with Clinton in the initial email investigation. On two counts, Billo meeting yer wan in the back of the plane, and Hillary getting a email called "heads up" from Kazik telling her what's going to be coming up.

Farcical when you think of it.

....and the evidence for this can be found where?

09-11-2016 02:54PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

county by county:

Hmm, slightly misleading image.

That's based on geographic area, not population.

Trump lost the national vote, it's just that he was just more popular in places where turnips are grown, yessir yeehaw.

Hank Scorpio · 09-11-2016 02:54PM

Jawgap wrote: »

....and the evidence for this can be found where?

Wikileaks.

The Talking Bread · 09-11-2016 02:55PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Jawgap wrote: »

Nice, but obvious pivot.

Do you still think he should work to get a special prosecutor appointed to investigate Clinton?

Considering if anyone else in the Country besides Obama maybe had done what she did with the email situation and the Foundation corruption ( there's literally emails of them talking about how to hide the corruption ), those people would go to jail or at the very least have a trial.

Nobody should be above the law.

Clearly I don't like her if that's what you're getting at, I find it sick how she targets weak minorities and manipulates the media.

Because Trump isn't manipulative! DO you honestly foresee him standing by even 10% of his empty promises and wishy washy "change" / "shake it up" speeches.

The man has no plan. And in a way that's good as it allows the likes of Pence to basically be president behind the scenes with Trump taking the media glory.

It's just pure soundbites from him. so he is 10 x more manipulative than other candidates down the years. and that's what got him elected

Nody · 09-11-2016 02:55PM

Thomas_... wrote: »

I see too much red in there. Too much of it an today is just another sh1te day in this awkward year 2016.

And yet Clinton took the popular vote; goes to show that something is wrong with the system.

Jawgap · 09-11-2016 02:58PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Comey was pressured by the DOJ. The DOJ was actually colluding with Clinton in the initial email investigation. On two counts, Billo meeting yer wan in the back of the plane, and Hillary getting a email called "heads up" from Kadzik telling her what's going to be coming up.

Farcical when you think of it.

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Wikileaks.

So, Bill's conversation was on Wikileaks?

.....and there was an email with 'heads up' in the header?

Wow, definitely a smoking gun there......and how is that evidence of Comey being pressured by the DoJ or the 'DoJ' (who in the DoJ?) colluding with Hillary?

09-11-2016 02:59PM

Jawgap wrote: »

So, Bill's conversation was on Wikileaks?

.....and there was an email with 'heads up' in the header?

Wow, definitely a smoking gun there......and how is that evidence of Comey being pressured by the DoJ or the 'DoJ' (who in the DoJ?) colluding with Hillary?

https://twitter.com/SnoozeInBrief/status/792354973153628160

BoJack Horseman · 09-11-2016 03:00PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

it's just that he was just more popular in places where turnips are grown, yessir yeehaw.

Indeed..... those cursed simple plebs.... screwing things up again.

Never change boards!

Hank Scorpio · 09-11-2016 03:01PM

Jawgap wrote: »

So, Bill's conversation was on Wikileaks?

.....and there was an email with 'heads up' in the header?

Wow, definitely a smoking gun there......and how is that evidence of Comey being pressured by the DoJ or the 'DoJ' (who in the DoJ?) colluding with Hillary?

The email from Kazdik is there, it wasn't just a heads up in the header.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43150

Bill was seen by a freelance reporter meeting with Loretta Lynch in the back of the plane for 45 minutes right before Hillarys hearing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3822307/How-Bill-Clinton-plotted-bushwhack-attorney-general-airport-tarmac-got-promise-Hillary-wouldn-t-prosecuted-classified-emails.html

She's being sued right now. If you're not familar with wikileaks you should probably lose the smart tone.

The Comey thing? Well put 2 and 2 together.

Jawgap · 09-11-2016 03:02PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Because Trump isn't manipulative! DO you honestly foresee him standing by even 10% of his empty promises and wishy washy "change" / "shake it up" speeches.

The man has no plan. And in a way that's good as it allows the likes of Pence to basically be president behind the scenes with Trump taking the media glory.

It's just pure soundbites from him. so he is 10 x more manipulative than other candidates down the years. and that's what got him elected

It'll be interesting to see how much of what he promised at Gettysburg will be delivered. In the first 100 days he promised to ...

begin the process of "removing the more than two million criminal, illegal immigrants"
deny visa-free travel to countries who refused to take back their citizens
repeal every Obama executive order
introduce restrictions on White House officials becoming lobbyists
work to introduce term limits for members of Congress
cancel of all payments to UN climate change programmes (and use that money to fix US infrastructure)
label China a currency manipulator

The wall wasn't timelined.

HensVassal · 09-11-2016 03:02PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

Enjoy:

https://www.rt.com/news/365966-putin-trump-congratulates-victory/

09-11-2016 03:03PM

Jawgap wrote: »

So Trump supporters think one of his first acts should be to use the office for the purposes of political retribution? Not veterans' care, a capital spending programme, or even start the deportations.....but taking out the political opposition.....

In that case, some modern day Eugene Joe McCarthy should fit the bill.

EDIT: Meant to say Joe McCarthy, not Eugene

A significant part of the vote for him was in protest that she got away with what she did. If you're so quick to want him to do things, then it means Obama didn't do a good job while he was there.. You should be happy he spends his time chasing down political corruption instead of all the things you're worried about him doing.

BoatMad wrote: »

I agree, its a shocking indictment of her character

It was always about her.. If it were for the people, she'd have come out. Trump would be destroyed for life for doing what she did.

Nody wrote: »

And yet Clinton took the popular vote; goes to show that something is wrong with the system.

It makes sense in a country the size of America and the losing side will always have a problem with it.. I would have if Clinton won.

But realistically, its to stop politicians campaigning for what only matters to the most populated places.. "I'm going to make sure the west coast has all the jobs and there are no taxes in any major city on the east coast."

Thomas_... · 09-11-2016 03:04PM

Nody wrote: »

Thomas_... wrote: »

I see too much red in there. Too much of it an today is just another sh1te day in this awkward year 2016.

And yet Clinton took the popular vote; goes to show that something is wrong with the system.

Yes, that system is outdated and is from the 19th Century where "bold riders" had to deliver the vote despatches to Washington. I remember the PEs when G.W.B. jr. was elected and some "irregularities" were subject of debates. He also just narrowly made it to get elected and there was more but just some speculation on vote fraud or other ways of manipulation. A couple of weeks ago, the Americans suspected the Russians to have the means to manipulate the election results in this PE. That was of course denied by the Russians, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some manipulation given that this system works online and Russians are suspected to have hacked Clintons email account and leaked those emails to stir up the scandal anew and the acting of the FBI Boss (he himself being a Republican) is also very suspicious to me.

Now that Clinton has lost, it was of course all correct, reliable and clean. Well, I can't be arsed by them for I wouldn't trust them Republicans one meter off my shoes. But for the Trumpers, it's all democracy where if it had turned out the other way, it had been all manipulation and fraud. Utter hypocrites, the lot of them.

Jawgap · 09-11-2016 03:05PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SnoozeInBrief/status/792354973153628160

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

The email from Kazdik is there, it wasn't just a heads up in the header.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/43150

Bill was seen by a freelance reporter meeting with Loretta Lynch in the back of the plane for 45 minutes right before Hillarys hearing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3822307/How-Bill-Clinton-plotted-bushwhack-attorney-general-airport-tarmac-got-promise-Hillary-wouldn-t-prosecuted-classified-emails.html

She's being sued right now. If you're not familar with wikileaks you should probably lose the smart tone.

The Comey thing? Well put 2 and 2 together.

And how does any of that support this....

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Comey was pressured by the DOJ. The DOJ was actually colluding with Clinton in the initial email investigation. On two counts, Billo meeting yer wan in the back of the plane, and Hillary getting a email called "heads up" from Kadzik telling her what's going to be coming up.

Farcical when you think of it.

now if only the Yanks would get rid of the pesky Bill of Rights that's stop the Fifth Amendment getting in the way of such additive justice......

Seems like innuendo, supposition and circumstance will be enough to get you denounced in the world of the Trump supporter.

Quite deplorable actually.

09-11-2016 03:06PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Indeed..... those cursed simple plebs.... screwing things up again.

Never change boards!

I'm originally a culchie myself, and we grow spuds. Just making light of a bizarre situation.

But undeniably, it was a rural vote; that's why geographic representations are misleading. Population density is smallest in the red areas of the map.

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