El Presidente Trump

Sing it now:
Bye Bye jobs,
bye bye friendliness,
hello returning illegal emmigrants
I think I'm gonna cry.....

Seriously, I have always said it, ANY MAN would win against Hillary, such is the American thinking on gender. If it had been another man up against Trump, then it would have been some sort of fair chance.

screamer wrote: »

Seriously, I have always said it, ANY MAN would win against Hillary, such is the American thinking on gender. If it had been another man up against Trump, then it would have been some sort of fair chance.

Absolutely.

rusty cole wrote: »

If you imagine America is the human body, all the years of bad lifestyle choices, bad habits (policies) rewarding bankers etc and generally providing a crappy environment for a cancer to grow, has taken it's toll. That cancer is now trump, and unfortunately though it's taken years to happen, it's now grown way out of control.

The problem is, he's of their own making, it was always the oppositions race to lose but by then it was too late. What I'm now laughing at is the polls!! If ever they were revealed as being media led agenda favouring spin, it's now

David Cameron will not be a returning to downing street for a second term.... eh wrong.

Scotland will leave the UK, emphatically shown in polls, eeehhhh wrong!

Brexit wont happen.... eh wrong.

Trupm is is now miles behind...ehhhhh OK!

even RTE, 10,000 people turned up to protest Irish water... eh it was over 60,000...

Like it or not, the people have spoken, as in brexit, as in America and the irish political class should take stock, sure that's the same reason we have a split government here now. people are sick of getting the shaft..

isn't that exactly how Hitler got into power. A bafoon who was rejected from service in WW1, forced to carry medical supplies, and then kicked out of art college twice!! anythings possible I suppose.

sadly the people havent actually spoken, what has happened is that fear and disillusionment has been hijacked by people promising " simple " solutions

* Brexit would mean more money for NHS
* We can control our immigration
* we can " be great again"

* Make america great
" Build a wall


The reality is that the underlying problems are difficult to fix, often have unintended consequences and the reality is that most of the issues Trump puts forward solutions for cannot be easily fixed

lokk at his acceptance speech , rebuild americas broken infrastructure , ( and yes thats right ) but that as totally at odds with say 15% corporate tax and the extra money will then have to be raised by cutting services or raising middle class taxes


The problem is people have stopped engaging in the problem and are just shouting " i dont care, fix it" ,


Just like Brexit, theres a lot of disappointment coming ,

rusty cole wrote: »

yes he was. he was rejected and got a job carrying medical supplied across the enemy lines. He had such an uncanny knack for avoiding hales of bullets that he was called the Ghost by his comrades.. I guess some people are meant to live for some reason. I read this in a history buck and though I'm not stating it's actual fact, I am willing to accept it's true as with most things I read in history books.

He was not allowed to carry a rifle is technically what I mean. So although he was in WW1 he actually failed the physical to be a soldier.

Trump is not Hitler, so lets leave Godwin out of this

I predicted in the prediction thread that Trump would win.

Just couldn't see a lot of people wanting 4 more years after the previous 8 years of the highly controversial Clintons in the 1990s.
I also thought her record as secretary of state was so poor and always voting for/or using the military option, that Obama was speaking a load of crap when he repeatedly said she was the most qualified ever. Her main experience is of voting or supporting wars which only made things worse and destroyed countries.
The Democrats were also doing this very hostile approach to Russia, and I don't think many want very hostile relations with Russia, while Trump said wouldn't it be better to get along.
Then there was all this rubbish of 'when he goes low, we go high' as she spent millions on negative ads in battle ground states. So many lies.
Obamacare or the affordable care act has become the unaffordable care act for many.

Hillary lost because she is out of touch, getting backed by Soros, Buffett, and very wealthy music stars who did free concerts to get people to her rallies.
It was far from ordinary people for Hillary.

Then Wikileaks showed the Clinton team wanted the media to promote Trump in the primaries as he would be easy to beat.
Total delusion and self entitlement and doing the worst thing anyone can do to another human being, under estimate them.
At least Trump when asked during the debates what was Hillary's best trait, he said 'she never gives up and is a tough fighter'. He was not underestimating her.

I had a small amount of money on Trump to win

Wow.

certainly not what I was expecting. I thought Clinton would win, and win comfortably.

Instead she not only lost the usual battleground states, but one (or more?) strongholds as well.

When the dust settles, I wonder whether it was Trump who energised more people to vote, or whether Clinton just failed to energise her own base. Are overall numbers up, down, or usual, and how is that for each state also.

I saw an interesting exit poll from ABC last night (I mentioned it in another thread) and one of the questions was whether people have voted for a candidate mainly because they supported that candidate, or mainly because they opposed the other candidate.

In 2012, something like 61% of people who voted for Obama had voted that way because they supported him, but in ABC's data yesterday, the vote to oppose the other candidate was over 50%. The same data had a majority of voters viewing both candidates unfavourably.

For all the criticism (and I criticised him and thought he'd alienate too many people) Trump must have done a lot right. He went to places like Wisconsin and Michigan when it seemed pointless to do so.

I guess that he tapped into a lot of resentment and disenfranchisement. I still think the idea of him as somebody who will champion the common people is fairly laughable, as is the notion of him as a Washington outsider, given his long history of lobbying and relationships with politicians... but let's see what he actually does as president.

First time in a long while the President gets elected with a minority of the national vote

Ceepo wrote: »

It's will be Sinn Fein next.

well the swing elsewhere is to the hard right, not good for SF

My Question is how can they count hundreds of millions of votes in a few short hours and it takes us days for a poxy Leitrim By Election ? ?

Its an electronic voting system.

RobertKK wrote: »

I predicted in the prediction thread that Trump would win.

Just couldn't see a lot of people wanting 4 more years after the previous 8 years of the highly controversial Clintons in the 1990s.
I also thought her record as secretary of state was so poor and always voting for/or using the military option, that Obama was speaking a load of crap when he repeatedly said she was the most qualified ever. Her main experience is of voting or supporting wars which only made things worse and destroyed countries.
The Democrats were also doing this very hostile approach to Russia, and I don't think many want very hostile relations with Russia, while Trump said wouldn't it be better to get along.
Then there was all this rubbish of 'when he goes low, we go high' as she spent millions on negative ads in battle ground states. So many lies.
Obamacare or the affordable care act has become the unaffordable care act for many.

Hillary lost because she is out of touch, getting backed by Soros, Buffett, and very wealthy music stars who did free concerts to get people to her rallies.
It was far from ordinary people for Hillary.

Then Wikileaks showed the Clinton team wanted the media to promote Trump in the primaries as he would be easy to beat.
Total delusion and self entitlement and doing the worst thing anyone can do to another human being, under estimate them.
At least Trump when asked during the debates what was Hillary's best trait, he said 'she never gives up and is a tough fighter'. He was not underestimating her.

I had a small amount of money on Trump to win

Nah, even in our own little country, it's been proven the electorate have a short memory. Hillary lost because she is a woman, and the Americans preferred a male unknown quantity(politically). I'm no fan of his nor hers either for the record.