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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #6482
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    RobertKK wrote: »
    First votes results from New Hampshire.
    Trump 32 votes
    Clinton 23 votes
    Johnson 4 votes
    Stein 0 votes
    Sanders 3 votes
    Romney 1 votes


    Fair play to Romney.

    About 700K voters in 2012 so a bit on the early side.


  • #6483
    TheOven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭TheOven


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    We've made it folks, Election day. In about 20 hours it will all be over.

    Unless Donald loses and doesn't accept it.

    At least the Trump supporters have lots of signs they can arm themselves with for the worlds quickest revolution.


  • #6484
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Christy42


    RobertKK wrote: »
    First votes results from New Hampshire.
    Trump 32 votes
    Clinton 23 votes
    Johnson 4 votes
    Stein 0 votes
    Sanders 3 votes
    Romney 1 votes

    The rule allowing them to vote at midnight for areas with less than 100 people is amusing.

    This is one is pretty irrelevant but they have some weird laws around elections which seem suited to the 18/19th centuries and just never end up getting updated.


  • #6485
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,357 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Thinking about some of the posts here from people not fond of Hillary, which I took issue with, I've woken to the fact that they are taxpayers and might be working off gripes about the Govt and Congress and the spending of their tax-dollars, and not just because they favoured one candidate over another. My apologies to the US citizen-voters posting here for not seeing that much earlier.


  • #6486
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Predict the winner of the following states:

    Florida
    North Carolina
    Ohio
    Nevada
    Arizona
    Iowa
    Pennsylvania
    New Hampshire


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  • #6487
    mrkiscool2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    Florida-Trump
    North Carolina-Trump
    Ohio-Trumo
    Nevada-Hillary
    Arizona-Trump
    Iowa-Trump
    Pennsylvania-Hillary
    New Hampshire-Hillary


  • #6488
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Florida Trump
    North Carolina Liar
    Ohio Trump
    Nevada Trump
    Arizona Trump
    Iowa Trump
    Pennsylvania Trump
    New Hampshire Trump


  • #6489
    Anatom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Anatom


    Hillary wins first vote...

    https://t.co/Rl2AHLPvM7

    Just in: Hillary Clinton wins Dixville Notch, New Hampshire with 4 votes. Trump gets 2 votes. Romney & Johnson get one vote each.


  • #6490
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    I don't understand how some polling locations can have queues hours long. I've never had to queue to vote here. Are our polling booths overstaffed, the US ones under-staffed, or do they have to go through masses of checks on identity?


  • #6491
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Predict the winner of the following states:

    Florida- T
    North Carolina - H
    Ohio - T
    Nevada - H
    Arizona - T
    Iowa- T
    Pennsylvania- H
    New Hampshire -H

    Easy

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • #6492
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    Anatom wrote: »
    Hillary wins first vote...

    https://t.co/Rl2AHLPvM7

    Just in: Hillary Clinton wins Dixville Notch, New Hampshire with 4 votes. Trump gets 2 votes. Romney & Johnson get one vote each.


    woooohooo, 2:1 Landslide! :pac:


  • #6493
    26000 Elephants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭26000 Elephants


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Predict the winner of the following states:

    Florida H
    North Carolina H
    Ohio T
    Nevada T
    Arizona H
    Iowa T
    Pennsylvania H
    New Hampshire H

    Florida is key. I think Trump has annoyed enough Latinos (snowbirds will vote at home?) to swing it.


  • #6494
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    26000 Elephants wrote: »
    Florida is key. I think Trump has annoyed enough Latinos (snowbirds will vote at home?) to swing it.

    Nate Silver is giving Florida to Trump. I'm not going to argue with him.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #6495
    Anatom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Anatom


    26000 Elephants wrote: »
    woooohooo, 2:1 Landslide! :pac:

    Although I did think it was possible at one stage, I don't think that ratio will be one we'll be repeating in the morning!! (Unfortunately!!)


  • #6496
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    I don't understand how some polling locations can have queues hours long. I've never had to queue to vote here. Are our polling booths overstaffed, the US ones under-staffed, or do they have to go through masses of checks on identity?
    In many cases its a form of gerrymandering almost, certain governors target certain areas that are likely go vote against their party by ensuring huge queues etc that will last for hours while areas more likely to vote for their parties get great service that sees them I band out nice and quick, to process as many of them as possible, as quickly and painlessly as possible. Pathetic carry on really, and a reason for a lot of the "voters fraud" rhetoric that ties in with and attempts to justify it.


  • #6497
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Wow. Trump on Fox News just now.

    “I see so many hopes and so many dreams that didn’t happen that could have happened with proper leadership,” says Trump on Fox News.

    “People are hurting, veterans are hurting… they’ve been hurt so badly, being taken care of so badly,” says Trump.

    “It’s very sad. At the same time, our country has such tremendous potential,” he adds.

    It's been an amazing process, about 17 or 18 months since I came up with it... it’s been a beautiful process, the people of this country are incredible, I’ve met the people at every level and they are amazing. People say what have you learned? That’s what I’ve learned: the people are amazing,” said Trump.





    If he had spoken like that all year, he'd win comfortably.


  • #6498
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Brian? wrote: »
    Nate Silver is giving Florida to Trump. I'm not going to argue with him.

    Not on any of the models I can see. All giving Florida to Hillary.


  • #6499
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    gosplan wrote: »
    Wow. Trump on Fox News just now.

    “I see so many hopes and so many dreams that didn’t happen that could have happened with proper leadership,” says Trump on Fox News.

    “People are hurting, veterans are hurting… they’ve been hurt so badly, being taken care of so badly,” says Trump.

    “It’s very sad. At the same time, our country has such tremendous potential,” he adds.

    It's been an amazing process, about 17 or 18 months since I came up with it... it’s been a beautiful process, the people of this country are incredible, I’ve met the people at every level and they are amazing. People say what have you learned? That’s what I’ve learned: the people are amazing,” said Trump.





    If he had spoken like that all year, he'd win comfortably.

    He does not mean a word of it. He is incapable of coherence and decency. The only thing consistent about him is his obnoxiousness.


  • #6500
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,159 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    gosplan wrote: »
    Wow. Trump on Fox News just now.

    “I see so many hopes and so many dreams that didn’t happen that could have happened with proper leadership,” says Trump on Fox News.

    “People are hurting, veterans are hurting… they’ve been hurt so badly, being taken care of so badly,” says Trump.

    “It’s very sad. At the same time, our country has such tremendous potential,” he adds.

    It's been an amazing process, about 17 or 18 months since I came up with it... it’s been a beautiful process, the people of this country are incredible, I’ve met the people at every level and they are amazing. People say what have you learned? That’s what I’ve learned: the people are amazing,” said Trump.





    If he had spoken like that all year, he'd win comfortably.

    The only people he can convince are the faithful.

    He has shown how great he thinks the country is by rorting things so he never contributed to it by paying taxes.

    Veterans are hurting because of his comments to the family of one.

    His words fail any test of sincerity or reality.


  • #6501
    Sofa Spud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Sofa Spud


    gosplan wrote: »
    Wow. Trump on Fox News just now.

    “I see so many hopes and so many dreams that didn’t happen that could have happened with proper leadership,” says Trump on Fox News.

    “People are hurting, veterans are hurting… they’ve been hurt so badly, being taken care of so badly,” says Trump.

    “It’s very sad. At the same time, our country has such tremendous potential,” he adds.

    It's been an amazing process, about 17 or 18 months since I came up with it... it’s been a beautiful process, the people of this country are incredible, I’ve met the people at every level and they are amazing. People say what have you learned? That’s what I’ve learned: the people are amazing,” said Trump.





    If he had spoken like that all year, he'd win comfortably.


    Why should he win speaking like that?
    It's all platitudes - no substance. It's easy to come up with guff like that - where's the substance? Where's the plan to fix it?

    'People are amazing' - great, but where's the substance, where's the plan to improve people's lives? Lowering taxes and eliminating regulations, which is about as detailed as he has been, will fix nothing.
    Shouting about how bad Obamacare is and then saying it should be replaced with something better, and that's it, just something better but absolutely no detail or demonstrating any understanding of what might actually be better.
    Complained about the mid-east strategy and said he had a plan - when pressed, he would never say and then finally said that his plan would be to ask the Generals that are already in place to come up with a plan in 30 days?!?!

    If saying nice things means someone should win the presidency, then I really fear for the US. If all it takes is nice platitudes, and not detailed policy understanding, then the mess they are in is just going to deepen...


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  • #6502
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Brian? wrote: »
    26000 Elephants wrote: »
    Florida is key. I think Trump has annoyed enough Latinos (snowbirds will vote at home?) to swing it.

    Nate Silver is giving Florida to Trump. I'm not going to argue with him.
    They've all flipped back to Clinton in Florida models on 538, but only by a hair - http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/


  • #6503
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Sofa Spud wrote: »
    Why should he win speaking like that?
    It's all platitudes - no substance. It's easy to come up with guff like that - where's the substance? Where's the plan to fix it?

    'People are amazing' - great, but where's the substance, where's the plan to improve people's lives? Lowering taxes and eliminating regulations, which is about as detailed as he has been, will fix nothing.
    Shouting about how bad Obamacare is and then saying it should be replaced with something better, and that's it, just something better but absolutely no detail or demonstrating any understanding of what might actually be better.
    Complained about the mid-east strategy and said he had a plan - when pressed, he would never say and then finally said that his plan would be to ask the Generals that are already in place to come up with a plan in 30 days?!?!

    If saying nice things means someone should win the presidency, then I really fear for the US. If all it takes is nice platitudes, and not detailed policy understanding, then the mess they are in is just going to deepen...

    You mistake me.

    Not e should win - he should not win. It's very important that he doesn't win.

    But he COULD have won this easily. His base was mobilised long ago.

    More talk like the above and less hate and he'd be winning.


  • #6504
    Sofa Spud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Sofa Spud


    gosplan wrote: »
    You mistake me.

    Not e should win - he should not win. It's very important that he doesn't win.

    But he COULD have won this easily. His base was mobilised long ago.

    More talk like the above and less hate and he'd be winning.

    Ah, ok, so what you're saying is that if Trump was heavy on the platitudes and avoided the insults, the Wall, the muslim ban and Twitter meltdown, he could have won?

    Yep, Gosplan, I agree, and that's the scary bit...


  • #6505
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Clinton edging towards the mid 70s on 538 as of this morning, and still now,in terms of percentage chances of winning.


  • #6506
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Sofa Spud wrote: »
    Ah, ok, so what you're saying is that if Trump was heavy on the platitudes and avoided the insults, the Wall, the muslim ban and Twitter meltdown, he could have won?

    Yep, Gosplan, I agree, and that's the scary bit...

    Yeah, it's a combination of lack of disclipine and total narcissism.

    I hope that should he lose he realises this.


  • #6507
    Sofa Spud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Sofa Spud


    gosplan wrote: »
    Yeah, it's a combination of lack of disclipine and total narcissism.

    I hope that should he lose he realises this.

    Yeah, faint hope for that - at best there'll be a begrudging concession speech if Hillary gets the 320+ that a lot of commentators seems to think is possible now and then a Twitter meltdown. If Hillary gets less than 300 there is no telling what he will come out with.

    Trump JR was on Morning Joe today and replied to a direct question that Trump will concede if he loses, barring any indications of fraud or irregularities - would love to know what his father's definition of fraud or irregularities is, as it feels like any result other than him winning will be disputed...


  • #6508
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    gosplan wrote: »
    I hope that should he lose he realises this.

    I'd say if he hadn't realised it by around 1991, there's precious little chance of him ever doing so.


  • #6509
    alchemist33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Unfortunately Trump's head is so far up his backside that he believes there is no way he can lose in a fair fight. If he does lose, it has to be because of cheating by somebody else. That's the only way he can reconcile a loss with his own self-image.


  • #6510
    TheOven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭TheOven


    Sofa Spud wrote: »
    Yeah, faint hope for that - at best there'll be a begrudging concession speech if Hillary gets the 320+ that a lot of commentators seems to think is possible now and then a Twitter meltdown. If Hillary gets less than 300 there is no telling what he will come out with.

    Trump JR was on Morning Joe today and replied to a direct question that Trump will concede if he loses, barring any indications of fraud or irregularities - would love to know what his father's definition of fraud or irregularities is, as it feels like any result other than him winning will be disputed...

    There are two options for them, Trump wins or it is rigged.


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  • #6511
    Iceboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Iceboy


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    He does not mean a word of it. He is incapable of coherence and decency. The only thing consistent about him is his obnoxiousness.

    Cry me a river.

    Clinton’s actions speak louder than Trump’s Words: Would You Rather Have Frat room obnoxious Talk or TRESON? Please answer me that question

    Clint Eastwood said it best "Everybody’s getting tired of political correctness, kissing up. That’s the kiss-ass generation we’re in right now. We’re really in a p---- generation. Everybody’s walking on eggshells."


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