2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Amerika · 07-11-2016 05:19PM

Overheal wrote: »

"it is unclear what Foundation resources might have been used"

Key point.

Is there a clause in 501c3 status that allows for a spoiled brat’s wedding and lifestyle maintenance fund?

K-9 · 07-11-2016 05:20PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The black community also have Stockholm syndrome. Given it was the Republicans who outlawed slavery, and it was Democrats who wanted to keep it.
It would be like Irish people supporting the Whig government/party who helped starve us.

The whole civil rights thing passed you by?

Brian? · 07-11-2016 05:22PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Are they not political dynasties?

Chelsea will if she has to get a proper job and not live off the foundation.

The Bush dynasty, yes. The Kim dynasty, yes. The 2 are not analogous though.

The Clinton dynasty, no. A dynasty implies multiple generations.

Timberrrrrrrr · 07-11-2016 05:24PM

RobertKK wrote: »

A self entitled rich girl, who has benefited from the status of her parents and who seemingly has been a charity case.

So pretty much a younger Trump?

Overheal · 07-11-2016 05:32PM

Amerika wrote: »

Is there a clause in 501c3 status that allows for a spoiled brat’s wedding and lifestyle maintenance fund?

No but referring to the post you just quoted, there are no facts yet on the ground about how much, if any money from the 501c3 went to her wedding. Even if they did, it means simply that the Foundation should lose its tax-exempt status. If that weren't the case every time a pastor bought a new car a church would be shut down and the workers therein jailed, but Mega-Churches are proof-perfect that 501c3 organizations are rife with tolerated abuse. Unlike the case of a megachurch though the Clintons had other funding vehicles to finance a wedding so I don't know why they would have so blatantly violated the aims of the 501c3 for that purpose. Hence I remain skeptical thats actually the case.

K-9 · 07-11-2016 05:34PM

B0jangles wrote: »

The Latino vote in FL is up 129% since 2012

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/04/politics/latinos-voter-turnout-early-voting-2016-election/

Nationally Clinton has a 50 point lead with Latino voters over Trump

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-latino-support-for-hillary-clinton-at-1478451714-htmlstory.html

And according to someone I know who works in US polling, Latino voters tend to get overlooked in most polls.

Could be the deciding factor in Nevada and possibly Florida, which would mean Trump's comments about Mexicans and Latinos lost him the election.

The Sunday Times were reporting Dems are worried African American numbers are down from 012, about 7% was the figure quoted IIRC.

Overheal · 07-11-2016 05:35PM

Apt time for a throwback to this digestable content on 501c3 abuses

TheOven · 07-11-2016 05:36PM

Overheal wrote: »

'We need new blood in Washington' - as Trump eyes Newt Gingrich and Rudy "9/11" Giuliani for Secretary of State and Attorney General. Yikes.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/report-donald-trump-eyeing-giuliani-for-ag-gingrich-for-secretary-of-state/

What about Christie? Has trump thrown him with the Russians yet or is he still around waiting for his reward?

TheDoctor · 07-11-2016 05:50PM

538 flips Nevada, Florida and NC back to Clinton.

Be doing well to get 50/50 this time round.

K-9 · 07-11-2016 05:52PM

Amerika wrote: »

Is there a clause in 501c3 status that allows for a spoiled brat’s wedding and lifestyle maintenance fund?

Probably not! But as Overheal quoted, it's unclear if anything untoward was done.

At this stage so much outlandish claims have been made about the emails and the Foundation it is very hard to take them seriously. If there was something explosive in them it would be out by now, sure we've been told for months the big one was coming.

It's starting to look conservatives interested in the emails just got strung along spending days and months trying to find the smoking bomb! Even Anonymous got in on the act, though maybe that was the point? It was a parody of Wikileaks?

TheDoctor · 07-11-2016 05:53PM

When is Wikileaks going to have the big reveal on her emails?

Itssoeasy · 07-11-2016 05:54PM

I for one am delighted that the election is tomorrow and over(I know people will say this is just the beginning) as I can't listen to more negative stuff I really can't, but I hope that as many amercan voters(including our American posters) go and vote regardless of who they vote for.

Overheal · 07-11-2016 05:59PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

When is Wikileaks going to have the big reveal on her emails?

There in all probability isn't one.

Overheal · 07-11-2016 06:11PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

538 flips Nevada, Florida and NC back to Clinton.

Be doing well to get 50/50 this time round.

The median projection is simply oscillating at the 50/50 mark and has for a couple days: Florida is Dem by 0.2% North Carolina by 0.0% Nevada by 0.7%. Ohio is Republican by 1.9%.

Sofa Spud · 07-11-2016 06:17PM

K-9 wrote: »

Could be the deciding factor in Nevada and possibly Florida, which would mean Trump's comments about Mexicans and Latinos lost him the election.

The Sunday Times were reporting Dems are worried African American numbers are down from 012, about 7% was the figure quoted IIRC.

CNN reporting the same numbers and mentioned NC seeing the same level of turnout too - Latino analyst said is was as much, if not more, an anti-Trump vote than a pro-Hillary vote...

Overheal · 07-11-2016 06:22PM

COMPLETE AND UTTER SHOCK AND AWE AS OBAMA DID NOT IN FACT SAY ILLEGALS COULD VOTE. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN IT COMING?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-business-deceptively-edits-obama-interview-to-falsely-claim-he-told-illegal-immigrants-to-vote/

/coffee

The Heavily Edited Exchange wrote:

HOST GINA RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens — and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country — are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

OBAMA: Not true… The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential…

The Actual Exchange wrote:

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens — and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country — are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, etc. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

aloyisious · 07-11-2016 06:28PM

A Trump rally musician supporting act gives his understanding of the "Locker-room talk" message..... https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi48dLNlJfQAhVCGsAKHX-PAzYQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-3911838%2FTed-Nugent-grabs-crotch-Trump-rally.html&usg=AFQjCNHbkLKFBIAJx7V2ncyOsVBpRPJZLQ

Amerika · 07-11-2016 06:29PM

K-9 wrote: »

Probably not! But as Overheal quoted, it's unclear if anything untoward was done.

At this stage so much outlandish claims have been made about the emails and the Foundation it is very hard to take them seriously. If there was something explosive in them it would be out by now, sure we've been told for months the big one was coming.

It's starting to look conservatives interested in the emails just got strung along spending days and months trying to find the smoking bomb! Even Anonymous got in on the act, though maybe that was the point? It was a parody of Wikileaks?

Hillary made this election a referendum and the person and not policies as soon as we went into the general election. It’s called fighting fire with fire. Everything is fair game. I have yet to see any condemnation of all the lies, innuendoes and exaggerations about Trump chastised. And I have yet to see one of the Wikileaks emails classified as fake.

Paleface · 07-11-2016 06:29PM

I really like Ted Nugent as a musician but he's a complete idiot when it comes to politics!

Amerika · 07-11-2016 06:32PM

Overheal wrote: »

COMPLETE AND UTTER SHOCK AND AWE AS OBAMA DID NOT IN FACT SAY ILLEGALS COULD VOTE. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN IT COMING?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-business-deceptively-edits-obama-interview-to-falsely-claim-he-told-illegal-immigrants-to-vote/

/coffee

The girl was talking about illegals voting. Obama should simply have said illegals can't vote.... End of story!

aloyisious · 07-11-2016 06:36PM

Overheal wrote: »

COMPLETE AND UTTER SHOCK AND AWE AS OBAMA DID NOT IN FACT SAY ILLEGALS COULD VOTE. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN IT COMING?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-business-deceptively-edits-obama-interview-to-falsely-claim-he-told-illegal-immigrants-to-vote/

/coffee

So she's an actual US citizen who was asking about other people who don't have her legal documented citizens status..... Nothing new then in a tv whats-it misrepresenting the facts and pretending to be outraged. I'd be reasonably sure that he is fully aware of who can and can't vote in federal elections, as distinct from state elections where the states set their own rules.

A rest-day tomorrow, set's alarm clock for 11PM for results coverage

Overheal · 07-11-2016 06:59PM

Amerika wrote: »

The girl was talking about illegals voting. Obama should simply have said illegals can't vote.... End of story!

I see your willfully blind to the obvious. Alright then.

I have yet to see any condemnation of all the lies, innuendoes and exaggerations about Trump chastised.

Chastise away.

Zubeneschamali · 07-11-2016 07:00PM

Amerika wrote: »

I have yet to see any condemnation of all the lies, innuendoes and exaggerations about Trump chastised.

I saw George RR Martin commenting that he only saw floods of TV coverage in his state (New mexico) recently, and that there is a sharp contrast.

Trumps attack ads are all innuendo and exaggeration with horrible black-and-white photos of Hillary caught pulling faces, while Hillary's attack ads are simple videos of Trump talking.

In his own words.

Amerika · 07-11-2016 07:07PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I saw George RR Martin commenting that he only saw floods of TV coverage in his state (New mexico) recently, and that there is a sharp contrast.

Trumps attack ads are all innuendo and exaggeration with horrible black-and-white photos of Hillary caught pulling faces, while Hillary's attack ads are simple videos of Trump talking.

In his own words.

George RR Martin would probably kill them both off... In his own words.

K-9 · 07-11-2016 07:09PM

Sofa Spud wrote: »

CNN reporting the same numbers and mentioned NC seeing the same level of turnout too - Latino analyst said is was as much, if not more, an anti-Trump vote than a pro-Hillary vote...

Seems to be, it will be record low Latino votes for Republicans.

I suppose it will be a matter of if that compensates for any lowering of the African American vote and if it does, where does Trump make up the gap Romney had 4 years ago.

Trump is already behind on the educated female vote, something Romney got about 56% last time out. Basically, it seems Trump is going to have to find a lot of white males to vote for him, who are mostly uneducated or old!

Btw that term educated and uneducated annoys me!

eire4 · 07-11-2016 07:14PM

K-9 wrote: »

Seems to be, it will be record low Latino votes for Republicans.

I suppose it will be a matter of if that compensates for any lowering of the African American vote and if it does, where does Trump make up the gap Romney had 4 years ago.

Trump is already behind on the educated female vote, something Romney got about 56% last time out. Basically, it seems Trump is going to have to find a lot of white males to vote for him, who are mostly uneducated or old!

Btw that term educated and uneducated annoys me!

This is the first presidential election since the supreme court basically dismantled the voting rights act and that has lead to the massive surge in voter suppression efforts especially targeted at minorities so it will be interesting to see what the final Black turnout ends up being.

Sofa Spud · 07-11-2016 07:31PM

Amerika wrote: »

The girl was talking about illegals voting. Obama should simply have said illegals can't vote.... End of story!

OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, etc. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

I think him stating that 'when you vote, you are a citizen yourself' should be really clear, no?

B0jangles · 07-11-2016 07:42PM

How the hell can anyone work in IT and not know that you can compare two sets of files and automatically find any differences both quickly and easily?

All you got to do is compare your existing known files (in this case, the emails they have already checked) with the new set and scan for new or changed files.

Any half competent person could set this up in about 10 minutes.

More detail from Edward Snowden on how to run such a check:

https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/795435387321655296

ECO_Mental · 07-11-2016 07:43PM

ScofflawIdiot wrote: »

It is funny how brainless people still believe FBI XD So they checked 650 000 emails in 8 days, 691 200 seconds and people actually buy this ...some people if not everyone should be taking mandatory IQ tests before taking a vote, and pass that test at some reasonable level...5-10% people would be entitled to vote then...

Type "classified" into the search bar of your Microsoft outlook and tell me how long that takes ????? I have 20,000 emails.... Mine doesn't take six weeks. Unless you have ZX Spectrum it takes 1-2 seconds. Now imagine an FBI supercomputer with specialist search software. Have you completed your IQ test recently?

That's why the Clinton people are pissed off because Comey could have checked the emails in days no need to write a stupid letter.

TheOven · 07-11-2016 07:44PM

Amerika wrote: »

The girl was talking about illegals voting. Obama should simply have said illegals can't vote.... End of story!

Previously....

Amerika wrote: »

I have yet to see any condemnation of all the lies, innuendoes and exaggerations about Trump chastised.

Better start chastising yourself.

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