2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

RobertKK · 07-11-2016 02:52PM

Christy42 wrote: »

So some are bad and some are good. HOW about we judge Chelsea on her own merits when and if she goes for office.

A self entitled rich girl, who has benefited from the status of her parents and who seemingly has been a charity case.

Trent Houseboat · 07-11-2016 02:56PM

RobertKK wrote:

A self entitled rich girl, who has benefited from the status of her parents

That's a gender change away from describing Donald.

Billy86 · 07-11-2016 02:56PM

RobertKK wrote: »

You mean Hillary calling Robert Byrd a close friend?

Bill making excuses for him:
They mention that he once had a fleeting association with the Ku Klux Klan, and what does that mean? I'll tell you what it means. He was a country boy from the hills and hollows of West Virginia. He was trying to get elected. And maybe he did something he shouldn't have done, and he spent the rest of his life making it up. And that's what a good person does. There are no perfect people. There certainly are no perfect politicians.

His fleeting association involved recruiting over 150 members to klan, and the Klan praising him saying he had leadership skills and the country needed people like him in leadership. It was the klan that got him into politics.
But at least he is a friend of the Clintons and not Trump...I think Byrd has spent the rest of his life making it up...

Besides the fact that that would be offset by Trump's long, stories historu of racism, can you remind me what your post has to do with the southern strategy and the GOP there, Robert? That same southern strategy that was a major reason Clinton flipped from Republican to Democrat?

What does it have to do with the GOP and the southern strategy, please let us know.

TheOven · 07-11-2016 02:57PM

RobertKK wrote: »

You mean Hillary calling Robert Byrd a close friend?

Bill making excuses for him:
They mention that he once had a fleeting association with the Ku Klux Klan, and what does that mean? I'll tell you what it means. He was a country boy from the hills and hollows of West Virginia. He was trying to get elected. And maybe he did something he shouldn't have done, and he spent the rest of his life making it up. And that's what a good person does. There are no perfect people. There certainly are no perfect politicians.

His fleeting association involved recruiting over 150 members to klan, and the Klan praising him saying he had leadership skills and the country needed people like him in leadership. It was the klan that got him into politics.
But at least he is a friend of the Clintons and not Trump...I think Byrd has spent the rest of his life making it up...

We have former member of KKK who left and tried to change vs the actual KKK.

Clearly we can all see that Dems are the true racists.

RobertKK · 07-11-2016 02:58PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

That's a gender change away from describing Donald.

His father was not in politics.

Politics needs new blood, not the same old blood, doing the same old thing, which is usually to benefit themselves.
Not saying Trump is not in it to benefit himself, but he is new blood.

Sofa Spud · 07-11-2016 02:58PM

Not sure if there's much point focusing on the polls today - so much early voting has already happened, the noise of the weekend and the Comey letter won't be included and it's hard to know if that would have had a huge impact anyway. Polls are not conclusive at this point and, to quote the old cliche again, turnout will be king.

Having a quick look at RCP, most polls are national and almost all within or just within the margin of error and on Hillary's side bar two tracking polls that always seem to be skewed towards Trump. NV, NC, and FL all had one poll with a 1 or 2 point advantage for Hillary, so within the margin of error and NV and FL have had substantial early voting.

So, not much to do but wait for a November surprise today and get ready for the fun and games tomorrow night...

Nody · 07-11-2016 02:59PM

RobertKK wrote: »

A self entitled rich girl, who has benefited from the status of her parents and who seemingly has been a charity case.

Replace girl with boy and you got Trump; so what's your point?

Christy42 · 07-11-2016 03:00PM

RobertKK wrote: »

A self entitled rich girl, who has benefited from the status of her parents and who seemingly has been a charity case.

To expand on another reply it is a gender change away from any likely opponents if you think of Romney, Bush's, Trump, etc.

gosplan · 07-11-2016 03:04PM

RobertKK wrote: »

...and some are like the North Koreans Kim family.

Time for the US to move on from the Clinton and Bush families. Two families of self entitled people who believe they should rule.

And if the GOP had put up a palatable candidate, you would get your wish.

You still may but it looks more and more like Clinton for four years.

The GOP needs a strategy because of the economy turns around (and growth has been doubling for the last three quarters) they'll waste four more years trying to bring her down only to see her reelected.

But overall, the GOP needs to unify behind someone that doesn't drive away minority groups and women.

brickmauser · 07-11-2016 03:08PM

gosplan wrote: »

People should read this post.

Rape plane, rape island, Muslim brotherhood, Serbian witch.

Seriously.

All documented. Check these facts.

The Clintons are logged on the Epstein's Lolita Express which we know was used by Epstein to rape underage girls and we know they flew on his rape jet to his Caribbean island where we know Epstein hosted parties where underage girls were raped by VIPs. What were the Clinton's doing there unless they also took part?

Huma Abbedin's family are leading members of the Muslim Brotherhood the ideological centre of the global Islamist movement funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Why has she been Hillary's body woman since she was 19 years old? Isn't it interesting that the Clinton Foundation is funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

John Podesta who is the leading Democrat mover and shaker in Washington who has been involved in the Clinton and Obama Presidencies has been attending Spirit Cooking ceremonies with a Serbian witch Marina Abramovic.

I am not making this up.

You can independently verify this if you bothered to check.

RobertKK · 07-11-2016 03:14PM

gosplan wrote: »

And if the GOP had put up a palatable candidate, you would get your wish.

You still may but it looks more and more like Clinton for four years.

The GOP needs a strategy because of the economy turns around (and growth has been doubling for the last three quarters) they'll waste four more years trying to bring her down only to see her reelected.

But overall, the GOP needs to unify behind someone that doesn't drive away minority groups and women.

The best thing that can happen to the Republicans is for Trump to lose, because in 4 years time the US and the world will be so sick of Hillary Clinton and her incompetence.
Trump could destroy the Republican party by winning, but then I think Hillary will do the same for the Democrats and a part of me wants Hillary to win to prove her incompetence and to make people see how silly they have been thinking that one option was better than the other.
A lot of people just ask 'Out of all the people in the US, how did they end up with these two?'.

I agree the GOP need someone to unify behind, and that is not Trump, and they won't have to if Hillary wins.
The only thing the GOP win with Trump is Supreme court nominees, but losing the election is better since the world is on a downward trajectory at present, and Hillary has proven to be very incompetent on world affairs which will probably limit her to a 4 year term.
She won't be able to resist a 'boots on the ground' war.

gosplan · 07-11-2016 03:16PM

brickmauser wrote: »

All documented. Check these facts.

The Clintons are logged on the Epstein's Lolita Express which we know was used by Epstein to rape underage girls and we know they flew on his rape jet to his Caribbean island where we know Epstein hosted parties where underage girls were raped by VIPs. What were the Clinton's doing there unless they also took part?

Huma Abbedin's family are leading members of the Muslim Brotherhood the ideological centre of the global Islamist movement funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Why has she been Hillary's body woman since she was 19 years old? Isn't it interesting that the Clinton Foundation is funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

John Podesta who is the leading Democrat mover and shaker in Washington who has been involved in the Clinton and Obama Presidencies has been attending Spirit Cooking ceremonies with a Serbian witch Marina Abramovic.

I am not making this up.

You can independently verify this if you bothered to check.

Epstein:

Do you think it's possible that he was just a rich guy with lots of ties to important people. I mean was everyone with a connection to him implicit in peadophile rings? Because after all

"I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump once said about the convicted sex offender. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

And

Q: Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?
A. What do you mean by "personal relationship," sir?
Q. Have you socialized with him?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Yes?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?
A: Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today I'm going to have to assert my Fifth, Sixth, and 14th Amendment rights, sir.

Note I'm not accusing Trunp of anything. You should be right now though given the evidence should be enough for you.

Sofa Spud · 07-11-2016 03:18PM

Wow, check this out if your BS threshold hasn't been reached yet today - http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/obama-encourages-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

Another great example of how a measured response to a question gets completely distorted into a sensational headline that bears no relation to the intent and meaning of what was actually said.

Prime example where the misleading headline will get picked up and repeated elsewhere as fact - 'it's being reported that in an interview with a Hispanic media organisation, Obama called for illegal immigrants to vote in the election and nothing will happen'. It's like Chinese whispers - once you get to one degree of separation from the source, it's fact. Unreal...

Edit - apologies for the dupe post, had missed Amerika's post as, no offense, I've tended to skip them...

Overheal · 07-11-2016 03:20PM

Amerika wrote: »

So now president Obama is telling illegal aliens that they can go out and illegally vote and they don’t have to worry because no one will be spying on them or catching them because they vote? This sad sorry excuse for a president can’t leave office soon enough.

Anyone capable of critical thinking knows that's not what happened here. The fact being that if you're eligible to vote it's because you're a citizen. If you really want to turn off your brain then sure he said illegals can run across the border in vote to gain citizenship. Spare us your twaddle

briany · 07-11-2016 03:20PM

RobertKK wrote: »

His father was not in politics.

Politics needs new blood, not the same old blood, doing the same old thing, which is usually to benefit themselves.
Not saying Trump is not in it to benefit himself, but he is new blood.

If the new blood has the same objective as the old, what is even the point?

RobertKK · 07-11-2016 03:27PM

briany wrote: »

If the new blood has the same objective as the old, what is even the point?

You mean like with Obama?

Trump is new blood that does not have the same objectives as the old blood. Not saying it is great or anything, but it is different.

gosplan · 07-11-2016 03:29PM

brickmauser wrote: »

All documented. Check these facts.

The Clintons are logged on the Epstein's Lolita Express which we know was used by Epstein to rape underage girls and we know they flew on his rape jet to his Caribbean island where we know Epstein hosted parties where underage girls were raped by VIPs. What were the Clinton's doing there unless they also took part?

Huma Abbedin's family are leading members of the Muslim Brotherhood the ideological centre of the global Islamist movement funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Why has she been Hillary's body woman since she was 19 years old? Isn't it interesting that the Clinton Foundation is funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

John Podesta who is the leading Democrat mover and shaker in Washington who has been involved in the Clinton and Obama Presidencies has been attending Spirit Cooking ceremonies with a Serbian witch Marina Abramovic.

I am not making this up.

You can independently verify this if you bothered to check.

Muslim Brotherhood:

This is amazing.

Clinton's aide's father, a Saudi academic, published an academic journal, with the support of the president of a university, who was later sec gen of an Islamic NGO, who authorised a Pakistani charity, which later became associated with Al Qaeda. 25 years later.

GOP should have just practiced the Kevin Bacon game instead.

Brian? · 07-11-2016 03:34PM

RobertKK wrote: »

...and some are like the North Koreans Kim family.

Are you seriously comparing the Clintons to the Kims? Take a deep breath and think about this one.

Time for the US to move on from the Clinton and Bush families. Two families of self entitled people who believe they should rule.

The Bush family is a political dynasty going back to Taft, if not further.

I honestly don't see how you can compare the Clinton family to the Bush dynasty. One generation of Clintons have been elected to office. As far as I know Chelsea hasn't run for office.

gosplan · 07-11-2016 03:39PM

brickmauser wrote: »

All documented. Check these facts.

The Clintons are logged on the Epstein's Lolita Express which we know was used by Epstein to rape underage girls and we know they flew on his rape jet to his Caribbean island where we know Epstein hosted parties where underage girls were raped by VIPs. What were the Clinton's doing there unless they also took part?

Huma Abbedin's family are leading members of the Muslim Brotherhood the ideological centre of the global Islamist movement funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Why has she been Hillary's body woman since she was 19 years old? Isn't it interesting that the Clinton Foundation is funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

John Podesta who is the leading Democrat mover and shaker in Washington who has been involved in the Clinton and Obama Presidencies has been attending Spirit Cooking ceremonies with a Serbian witch Marina Abramovic.

I am not making this up.

You can independently verify this if you bothered to check.

Podesta Serbian witch:

Firstly weird kooky avant garde artist is a bit better than Serbian Witch. I like the way you feel the need to include 'Serbian' in that though.

You say 'has been attending'. WRONG.

'Was invited to' is better.

But look, lets assuming he's at them all the time. Whatever weird stuff he wants to get up to in his own time makes no difference as long as it's between similarly weird consenting adults.

Isn't that what libertarianism is about?

Overheal · 07-11-2016 04:16PM

RobertKK wrote: »

A self entitled rich girl, who has benefited from the status of her parents and who seemingly has been a charity case.

"small loan of a million dollars"

brickmauser wrote: »

rape jet

Unless the seats were made of ass-penetrating dildos I don't see how this wasn't just an airplane.

Overheal · 07-11-2016 04:18PM

RobertKK wrote: »

His father was not in politics.

Politics needs new blood, not the same old blood, doing the same old thing, which is usually to benefit themselves.
Not saying Trump is not in it to benefit himself, but he is new blood.

Not blood worth having.

RobertKK · 07-11-2016 04:23PM

Brian? wrote: »

Are you seriously comparing the Clintons to the Kims? Take a deep breath and think about this one.

The Bush family is a political dynasty going back to Taft, if not further.

I honestly don't see how you can compare the Clinton family to the Bush dynasty. One generation of Clintons have been elected to office. As far as I know Chelsea hasn't run for office.

Are they not political dynasties?

Chelsea will if she has to get a proper job and not live off the foundation.

Zubeneschamali · 07-11-2016 04:25PM

gosplan wrote: »

But overall, the GOP needs to unify behind someone that doesn't drive away minority groups and women.

Cruz wouldn't drive away minorities and women anymore than he would repulse men, dogs, cats and farm animals.

Good for the Alligator vote, though.

RobertKK · 07-11-2016 04:33PM

Overheal wrote: »

"small loan of a million dollars"

The email between Doug Band and John Podesta about being paid for campaigning and Chelsea also having her paid for by the Foundation?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3910746/Chelsea-Clinton-used-Foundation-money-fund-wedding-according-new-Wikileaks-emails.html

<li class="">A new chain of Wikileaks emails alleges Chelsea Clinton used resources from the Clinton Foundation for her wedding to Marc Mezvinsky<li class="">An email from Doug Band, a former top aide to president Bill Clinton and a former Clinton Global Initiative board member, complains about Chelsea <li class="">Says she was conducting internal investigating of money within the Clinton Foundation and told George W Bush's daughters this information<li class="">Band says this is conflict of interest because Chelsea allegedly used resources for her wedding<li class="">It is estimated the cost of Chelsea Clinton's wedding was about $3 million, but it is unclear what Foundation resources might have been used<li class="">Other emails from Band show him slamming Mezvinsky and saying Chelsea Clinton 'goes to daddy' to get her way on plans

Seems all these foundations are personal slush funds whether it is Trump or the Clintons.

Overheal · 07-11-2016 04:42PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The email between Doug Band and John Podesta about being paid for campaigning and Chelsea also having her paid for by the Foundation?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3910746/Chelsea-Clinton-used-Foundation-money-fund-wedding-according-new-Wikileaks-emails.html

<li class="">A new chain of Wikileaks emails alleges Chelsea Clinton used resources from the Clinton Foundation for her wedding to Marc Mezvinsky<li class="">An email from Doug Band, a former top aide to president Bill Clinton and a former Clinton Global Initiative board member, complains about Chelsea <li class="">Says she was conducting internal investigating of money within the Clinton Foundation and told George W Bush's daughters this information<li class="">Band says this is conflict of interest because Chelsea allegedly used resources for her wedding<li class="">It is estimated the cost of Chelsea Clinton's wedding was about $3 million, but it is unclear what Foundation resources might have been used<li class="">Other emails from Band show him slamming Mezvinsky and saying Chelsea Clinton 'goes to daddy' to get her way on plans

Seems all these foundations are personal slush funds whether it is Trump or the Clintons.

I know Dave Ramsey puts all his earnings into a Living Trust but that's quite different.. The Clinton foundation is a 501c3

http://www.nonprofitrisk.org/library/articles/How_to_Lose_Your_Tax_Exempt_Status.shtml

At worst, it sounds like the IRS could audit the foundation and they could lose their tax-exempt status. Not particularly criminal offenses in nature.

However the Clintons dont just have one Trust http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-06-17/wealthy-clintons-use-trusts-to-limit-estate-tax-they-back and I'm not entirely convinced they would have used 501c3 funds to do what they could very well clearly do from any other number of funds they own privately, and quite legally.

Overheal · 07-11-2016 04:54PM

'We need new blood in Washington' - as Trump eyes Newt Gingrich and Rudy "9/11" Giuliani for Secretary of State and Attorney General. Yikes.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/report-donald-trump-eyeing-giuliani-for-ag-gingrich-for-secretary-of-state/

marienbad · 07-11-2016 05:09PM

Overheal wrote: »

'We need new blood in Washington' - as Trump eyes Newt Gingrich and Rudy "9/11" Giuliani for Secretary of State and Attorney General. Yikes.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/report-donald-trump-eyeing-giuliani-for-ag-gingrich-for-secretary-of-state/

You couldn't make this stuff up !

Thankfully just one day left and it looks like sanity will prevail after all.

gosplan · 07-11-2016 05:09PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The email between Doug Band and John Podesta about being paid for campaigning and Chelsea also having her paid for by the Foundation?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3910746/Chelsea-Clinton-used-Foundation-money-fund-wedding-according-new-Wikileaks-emails.html

<li class="">A new chain of Wikileaks emails alleges Chelsea Clinton used resources from the Clinton Foundation for her wedding to Marc Mezvinsky<li class="">An email from Doug Band, a former top aide to president Bill Clinton and a former Clinton Global Initiative board member, complains about Chelsea <li class="">Says she was conducting internal investigating of money within the Clinton Foundation and told George W Bush's daughters this information<li class="">Band says this is conflict of interest because Chelsea allegedly used resources for her wedding<li class="">It is estimated the cost of Chelsea Clinton's wedding was about $3 million, but it is unclear what Foundation resources might have been used<li class="">Other emails from Band show him slamming Mezvinsky and saying Chelsea Clinton 'goes to daddy' to get her way on plans

Seems all these foundations are personal slush funds whether it is Trump or the Clintons.

Hmmmm,

I see nothing there.

Chelsea was involved with foundation, Chelsea had an expensive wedding = foundation paid for it???

Seems a bit more 2+2 = lock her up!!

brickmauser · 07-11-2016 05:14PM

gosplan wrote: »

Epstein:

Do you think it's possible that he was just a rich guy with lots of ties to important people. I mean was everyone with a connection to him implicit in peadophile rings? Because after all

"I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump once said about the convicted sex offender. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

And

Q: Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?
A. What do you mean by "personal relationship," sir?
Q. Have you socialized with him?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Yes?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?
A: Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today I'm going to have to assert my Fifth, Sixth, and 14th Amendment rights, sir.

Note I'm not accusing Trunp of anything. You should be right now though given the evidence should be enough for you.

If Trump is screwing kids along with Clinton then sling him in the furnace with the rest of them.

Overheal · 07-11-2016 05:15PM

"it is unclear what Foundation resources might have been used"

Key point.

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