Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

some of the bleatings of the brexiters reminds me of a lyric from one of Britain's best, but increasingly forgotten, song writers.

"Today, institutions central to the British system of government are under attack. Public schools. The House of Lords. The Church of England. The Holy Institution of Marriage. Even our magnificent police force are no longer safe from those who would undermine our society.

"And it's about time we said:'Enough is Enough' and so we'll return to the traditional British virtues of discipline, obedience, morality and freedom.

"Freedom from the reds and the blacks and the criminals
Prostitutes, pansies and punks.
Football hooligans, juvenile delinquents, lesbians and left-wing scum.
Freedom from the **** and the pakis and the unions.
Freedom from the gypsies and the Jews.
Freedom from the long-haired layabouts and students.
Freedom from the likes of YOU!"

Power in the Darkness by Tom Robinson circa 1976. I think he could update it a little to take in some of the more recent "betes noires" causing discomfort to what Nigel Farage calls "The little people. The decent people."

Still strikes a chord though, 40 years on.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

is he in India in an official capacity, or is he over there watching the cricket?

Neither Fred but his legacy is still very much in the country.

jmayo wrote: »

The poster specifically mentioned our population pre and post famine and how they need not expect any favours from us in terms of Brexit negotiations.

To me that has shag all to do with India or any other country bar us and the UK.

Economically screwing the UK at this point in time is screwing ourselves.
Anyone that doesn't see that and just wants to point score for our history doesn't live in the real world.

We all know that the day has gone when the former colonies throughout the world need the UK.
And anyone in the UK that thinks otherwise is an eejit.

Hell the UK probably does more trade with Ireland than with all their former dominions throughout the world combined.

The points were made because people were saying there was some kind of emotional attachment, that former colonies owe Britain some kind of favour.

The fact is, there isn't and they don't. The Brexiters of Britain are learning this pretty quickly and the Brexiters (like A Little Pony and Maryishere and Fred etc) are generally those who believe the myth that Britain's history of colonisation can be considered benign and benevolent. And that the world and the EU 'owes' them something in return.

The more this Brexit thing develops the more I think the UK must be taught a lesson. The rather imperialistic bullying and propaganda may have worked on A Little Pony, Fred and Mary but it isn't going to work on everybody, that is becoming abundantly and thankfully clear.

A Little Pony wrote: »

He still helped save us from Nazi Germany running the continent with the Allied effort. I think we can cut him some slack for bad policy decisions in India. Besides, India was in need of being civilized during the height of the British Empire.

Many in India who support the reforms of the British Empire still defend it to this day and have written books about it, so it isn't all one sided, it had big plus signs for the Indian people too. Many reforms like the child marriage act, widows remarriage act, indian railway etc.

Let's assume it needed civilization and discuss how that went. The British partitioned the country (sound familiar) which resulted in a lot of the problems between Pakistan in India you see today. The Bengal famine resulted in millions dying and the British used the caste system to its advantage.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

you need to read some history books

My grandfather was born in India Fred while my great grandfather lived there. You previously defended Irish partition I'd like to see you try the same for India which followed no sensible line whatsoever.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

As much as you enjoy stereotyping people, I'm not a Brexiter.

On this point, teaching those Brits a lesson seems to have been your main point from the first post on this subject.

No, I started out just wanting them to back out of it and for things to return to normal.

But I am changing my mind. If we want the EU and therefore those who support it, to prosper, we have to show mutual strength in the face of some good old imperialistic strongarm attempts. Even if we have to ensure a little hardship and re-adjustment.

And to tell you the truth, for the purposes of this thread, I am not seeing much difference between Brexiters and those who trenchantly support Brexiters. Know what I mean?

Fratton Fred wrote: »

that's nice. I spent most of my teenage years in Slough.

You've never heard of Mohammed Ali Jinnah I guess.

It's amazing how you're quick to attack people who criticise the British empire but reply with nonsensical phrases about Slough. If you haven't a clue about it then look it up.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The points were made because people were saying there was some kind of emotional attachment, that former colonies owe Britain some kind of favour.

You can try spin it another way, but that is ultimately what they are saying is that we owe them for the famine.
Why bring the famine into it and why say anything about Brexit negotiations if it was talking about former colonies like India ?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The more this Brexit thing develops the more I think the UK must be taught a lesson. The rather imperialistic bullying and propaganda may have worked on A Little Pony, Fred and Mary but it isn't going to work on everybody, that is becoming abundantly and thankfully clear.

You are now off about how the UK must be taught a lesson.

That would be all well and good, but has it crossed your mind where the billions in Irish agri exports are going to go if UK is screwed over ?
Has it crossed your mind where the billions earned by small Irish exporters are going to now come from if "we teach them a lesson" ?

And if Britain is screwed over, then how will Northern Ireland and all those working in state jobs manage ?

And for God's sake please don't see it as an opportunity for us to take over Northern Ireland.
We simply cannot afford it and the ultimate social strive from one community it will bring.

The UK will simply have to pull their horns in and some fudge will be worked out between it and EU.
Or at least that would be the common sense approach.
Then again common sense is in scant supply it appears in the UK and indeed in Europe.

I remember who our only friend in Europe was when our economy tanked and it was bailout time.
The rest were lining up to have a go and put the boot in.
It was in Britain's interest for us not to be screwed then and it is in our interest for them not to be screwed now.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Such as this:

Everything coming out of the UK at the moment involves the EU putting aside what it stands for, in return for very little. i.e. Strongarm tactics

how about answering the question?

You got the answer - Brexit is a stupid thing to do overall - therefore those proposing it (including Scottish fishermen etc are proposing doing something stupid.) Within that there are people who maybe deluded, have been lied to and there are also those who are pathetic Little Englanders with an overactive superiority gland.