Eir rural FTTH thread

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-11-2016 11:10AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I am unsure what you mean here ........ the fibre will not be taken into a house/building unless a connection is requested, as I understand it.

When he says "premises wired" he means premises passed ie the fibre runs past your door, on poles or in ducting, ready to be brought into your house. All the operators use this passed figue when releasing numbers.

damienirel · 07-11-2016 11:27AM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

When he says "premises wired" he means premises passed ie the fibre runs past your door, on poles or in ducting, ready to be brought into your house. All the operators use this passed figue when releasing numbers.

So when Siro say 36,500 premises now have access to its new fibre product.
It's "premises passed" easy enough when you're in urban areas. However when they need to talk numbers of actual connections they could struggle - different story when you've got to connect an apartment on the forth floor, and everybody else in the apartment block is happy enough to stay on virgin media. Good luck to them, they think they have a business case, I fail to see it.

Johnboy1951 · 07-11-2016 11:32AM

Gonzo wrote:

When open eir mention lines passed they mean the line is capable of receiving FTTH, the internet connection inside the premises will still be copper based until the customer then orders FTTH. But having your line wired up outside means your good to go and order FTTH, and that's what's most important to most people.

Maybe you could explain what you meant by the above.

1. eir mentions premises passed, not lines. It has nothing to do with copper lines.
2. what do you mean by having your line wired up outside? Is this the copper line you are referring to? If yes, it has nothing to do with the FTTH connection.

Maybe you mean you expect some connection to be made to the fibre passing the premises, regardless whether the connection is ordered or not? A connection made for each premises and just left there awaiting an order?

oscarBravo · 07-11-2016 11:32AM

damienirel wrote: »

Good luck to them, they think they have a business case, I fail to see it.

Has it occurred to you that they have a great deal more information about their business case than you do?

Johnboy1951 · 07-11-2016 11:33AM

Gonzo wrote: »

Im fairly sure that your copper line would be used, they would run fiber from the pole outside your gate to a room in your house. You have to order FTTH using your current phone/line number from your house which has been passed by Eir as capable of receiving FTTH services. If you order an FTTH package, you would have both FTTH and the copper line for your phone but if you order FTTH broadband only they would propably disconnect your copper and just leave you with the fiber.

You are mixing up the requirements for FTTC and FTTH.
FTTC uses the copper line to get from cab to the premises.
FTTH does not.

plodder · 07-11-2016 11:56AM

Gonzo wrote: »

Im fairly sure that your copper line would be used, they would run fiber from the pole outside your gate to a room in your house. You have to order FTTH using your current phone/line number from your house which has been passed by Eir as capable of receiving FTTH services. If you order an FTTH package, you would have both FTTH and the copper line for your phone but if you order FTTH broadband only they would propably disconnect your copper and just leave you with the fiber.

That would be a bit like keeping an old dialup modem account to an ISP, at the same time as using current broadband technology. It's technically possible, but hard to see why anyone would want to do it. Even Eir themselves want to shutdown the copper network. They will (I presume) deliver your fixed line telephone service with the same number over FTTH as well.

Gwynston · 07-11-2016 12:19PM

plodder wrote: »

Even Eir themselves want to shutdown the copper network. They will (I presume) deliver your fixed line telephone service with the same number over FTTH as well.

Would that require additional hardware (beyond what would be supplied for broadband from the FTTH connection) in order that old phones still work?

Don't old phones work on essentially an analogue signal from the copper wire? e.g if you currently want to use VOIP technology, you basically need a new digital-enabled phone.

So would Eir need to insert some box inside your house to convert the (presumably digital) signal from the fibre into something old phones understand?

plodder · 07-11-2016 12:24PM

Gwynston wrote: »

Would that require additional hardware (beyond what would be supplied for broadband from the FTTH connection) in order that old phones still work?

Don't old phones work on essentially an analogue signal from the copper wire? e.g if you currently want to use VOIP technology, you basically need a new digital-enabled phone.

So would Eir need to insert some box inside your house to convert the (presumably digital) signal from the fibre into something old phones understand?

Yes, it would need VOIP support builtin to the router (or in an external box). I'm not saying their current routers do it, but it's the obvious solution long term. You could have an analog RJ11 jack from the router that you connect your old phone to. The one use case that this doesn't handle is phone lines permanently available even in power cuts, but there should be other solutions to that problem rather than keeping the entire copper based network alive.

Johnboy1951 · 07-11-2016 01:17PM

Gwynston wrote: »

Would that require additional hardware (beyond what would be supplied for broadband from the FTTH connection) in order that old phones still work?

Don't old phones work on essentially an analogue signal from the copper wire? e.g if you currently want to use VOIP technology, you basically need a new digital-enabled phone.

So would Eir need to insert some box inside your house to convert the (presumably digital) signal from the fibre into something old phones understand?

plodder wrote: »

Yes, it would need VOIP support builtin to the router (or in an external box). I'm not saying their current routers do it, but it's the obvious solution long term. You could have an analog RJ11 jack from the router that you connect your old phone to. The one use case that this doesn't handle is phone lines permanently available even in power cuts, but there should be other solutions to that problem rather than keeping the entire copper based network alive.

The modem/router handles the conversion from VOIP to a POTS style connection for ordinary phones.
There are many routers on the market with this capability ..... I have been using one for the last 10 years or so.

It will be necessary, if an active phone line is needed during a power cut, to have the modem/router connected to an uninterruptible power supply (UPS). In truth most people will not need this as they have mobile phones available for emergency use.
In fact it might be cheaper to get a mobile phone without any credit or subscription, just a SIM card, as they can be used to make emergency calls even if there is no credit on the SIM.

Gonzo · 07-11-2016 01:34PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

You are mixing up the requirements for FTTC and FTTH.
FTTC uses the copper line to get from cab to the premises.
FTTH does not.

Im not mixing up FTTC and FTTH! FTTH is fiber directly into the modem. But for normal phone calls the normal copper cable is still required?

As for the number of premises actually availing of FTTH, I am not sure they will give that information till FTTH is well developed. Do they give details on how many people have taken up FTTC?

For both FTTC and FTTH open eir refer to premises passed only.

For FTTC your copper line has to be within 2km direct to a cabinet or within 1km of an Evdsl exchange. The customer still has to order it if they want it.

For FTTH once the pole outside your house your then able to order FTTH once it goes live.

Gonzo · 07-11-2016 01:40PM

another update to work going on in Dunshaughlin.

1 - some work being carried out on old N3 Navan side near the garage. Looks like ducting.
2 - still ongoing work on the R125 Dunshaughlin-Ratoath.

3 - KNN are back near my road and have started back where they started from back in April. They are back at the ducting for a 1km distance and have opened up all the manholes and placed cones all along the ducting. A large KNN truck has arrived with a large reel of black cable with what looks like white sticky tape on the end of it. Another 4 large reels of black cable is sitting in the trailer, unopened still in its plastic.

Could be an interesting week. I am reserving my excitement until I see them wiring up outside my gate, but will update more later.

damienirel · 07-11-2016 01:40PM

oscarBravo wrote: »

Has it occurred to you that they have a great deal more information about their business case than you do?

I would hope so! :-) I'd say they along with Eir are holding off for NBP to pave the way for them - nothing like free money!
The whole rollout of FTTH in Ireland is very interesting. My Opinions are just that opinions - if I was to be totally honest I haven't a clue how this will all pan out - nobody does. I find the Siro rollout peculiar - that is all.

Johnboy1951 · 07-11-2016 02:06PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Im not mixing up FTTC and FTTH! FTTH is fiber directly into the modem. But for normal phone calls the normal copper cable is still required?

No, the copper is not required to make or receive phone calls from such as landlines or mobiles (if that is what you mean by 'normal phone calls').
The voice data can be carried on the fibre cable (in higher quality) using VOIP managed by the modem.

long_b · 07-11-2016 02:51PM

Gonzo wrote: »

another update to work going on in Dunshaughlin.

1 - some work being carried out on old N3 Navan side near the garage. Looks like ducting.
2 - still ongoing work on the R125 Dunshaughlin-Ratoath.

3 - KNN are back near my road and have started back where they started from back in April. They are back at the ducting for a 1km distance and have opened up all the manholes and placed cones all along the ducting. A large KNN truck has arrived with a large reel of black cable with what looks like white sticky tape on the end of it. Another 4 large reels of black cable is sitting in the trailer, unopened still in its plastic.

Could be an interesting week. I am reserving my excitement until I see them wiring up outside my gate, but will update more later.

You havent ordered yet though - what are you expecting they'll be doing outside your gate specifically?

Gonzo · 07-11-2016 03:13PM

long_b wrote: »

You havent ordered yet though - what are you expecting they'll be doing outside your gate specifically?

there is almost 2km of ducting between the last cabinet in dunshaughlin and my home, then the ducting ends about 300 meters from my home and its poles to houses after that.

In March they did 1km of ducting and in July they uncovered an additional 1/2 km of ancient Telecom Eireann ducting and ran some cabling under the old ducts which is running up 2 poles and taped waiting to be connected.

Today they back retracing their steps on the initial 1km of ducting. I'll update later with what they are doing there.

I expect them to splice and run fiber from where the ducting ends, along each pole and past my gate. The blue lines stops 2 houses past mine as there are no more houses after that.

It remains to be seen will this happen soon, if this is the start of the wiring process, they could have the area live either mid December or early January. It will be the new year by the time I get connected anyway.

Gonzo · 08-11-2016 02:31PM

large team now ( 6 KNN vans) about 800 meters away from me. Yesterday and this morning they appeared to be linking up the fiber from Cab DSN1_13 under the road across to the first of the new manholes created back in April. Alot of black cable is strung along the side of the road beside the ducting and manholes all open.

Terrible day for the lads to be working.

damienirel · 08-11-2016 03:14PM

Gonzo wrote: »

large team now ( 6 KNN vans) about 800 meters away from me. Yesterday and this morning they appeared to be linking up the fiber from Cab DSN1_13 under the road across to the first of the new manholes created back in April. Alot of black cable is strung along the side of the road beside the ducting and manholes all open.

Terrible day for the lads to be working.

Considering we had great weather for weeks and weeks! Oh well murphys law! At least fibre is coming your way soon.

Gonzo · 08-11-2016 03:21PM

damienirel wrote: »

Considering we had great weather for weeks and weeks! Oh well murphys law! At least fibre is coming your way soon.

Im not getting my hopes up yet but it is looking promising again. All the teams around Dunshaughlin seem to be focused on the ducting again, haven't seen any pole wiring take place as of yet. If it wasn't such a horrible day I would get a better idea of what they are doing but it's far too wet for a walk.

Dero · 08-11-2016 03:39PM

I saw a KNN van laying cable of some sort on long_b's road (Co. Kildare, Curragh exchange) yesterday evening. Two vans and a mini-digger with a reel of yellow cable of some sort (looked for all the world like 10BASE5, if anyone remembers that).

It was odd because this was about a quarter past five and it was pitch dark. Might be nothing to do with FTTH, but it is on a blue line.

Gonzo · 08-11-2016 03:47PM

Dero wrote: »

I saw a KNN van laying cable of some sort on long_b's road (Co. Kildare, Curragh exchange) yesterday evening. Two vans and a mini-digger with a reel of yellow cable of some sort (looked for all the world like 10BASE5, if anyone remembers that).

It was odd because this was about a quarter past five and it was pitch dark. Might be nothing to do with FTTH, but it is on a blue line.

the lads near here have 2 reels of that yellow cable and a few much larger reels of black cable. Lots of blue rope as well.

Gonzo · 08-11-2016 05:43PM

the lads went off after lunch and not surprised.

The ducting area is now water logged, water running down the sides of the roads and leaves everywhere. Horrendous day here. They left their cones, road signs and a large reel of cable covered up for tomorrow.

ED E · 08-11-2016 07:13PM

Into the silly season now, fault times will be through the roof by Jan 1st.

Don't envy OpenEir & KNN staff.

long_b · 08-11-2016 07:45PM

ED E wrote: »

Into the silly season now, fault times will be through the roof by Jan 1st.

Don't envy OpenEir & KNN staff.

I would stand over them with an umbrella while they work if that would help me get fibre quicker.

ItHurtsWhenIP · 08-11-2016 09:04PM

Gonzo wrote: »

the lads went off after lunch and not surprised.

The ducting area is now water logged, water running down the sides of the roads and leaves everywhere. Horrendous day here. They left their cones, road signs and a large reel of cable covered up for tomorrow.

If they come back, will you ever go down to them with a flask of tay and a few biccies and find out for sure what is happening with your road.

Tommy Lagahan · 09-11-2016 02:32AM

ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »

If they come back, will you ever go down to them with a flask of tay and a few biccies and find out for sure what is happening with your road.

Tea and sambos man! If me uncle who works for eir has to do the lines up to my house I'll personally go out and help him lol

Gonzo · 09-11-2016 02:45AM

Tommy Lagahan wrote: »

Tea and sambos man! If me uncle who works for eir has to do the lines up to my house I'll personally go out and help him lol

all this proves is how desperate us poor souls outside of Virgin Media and FTTC land are, and this is mild, we are desperate. *

* as desperate as Trump is to win President.

Tommy Lagahan · 09-11-2016 03:40AM

Gonzo wrote: »

all this proves is how desperate us poor souls outside of Virgin Media and FTTC land are, and this is mild, we are desperate. *

* as desperate as Trump is to win President.

~500 quid deep into 4G antennas and modem and yes, I think I can call myself desperate :pac:

long_b · 09-11-2016 08:38AM

Tommy Lagahan wrote: »

~500 quid deep into 4G antennas and modem and yes, I think I can call myself desperate :pac:

I can beat that in mobile overage charges last year before moving to 3

Gadgetman496 · 09-11-2016 09:28AM

Gonzo wrote: »

* as desperate as Trump is to win President.

Johnboy1951 · 09-11-2016 11:52AM

Gonzo wrote: »

all this proves is how desperate us poor souls outside of Virgin Media and FTTC land are, and this is mild, we are desperate. *

* as desperate as Trump is to win President.

Maybe we will have as much success as he did

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