Poppy Middle Class Death Cult

HellSquirrel · 05-11-2016 12:21AM

Am I the only one that's a bit amazed that the OP got 23 pages out of a wee rant bitching about how he doesn't like poppies and anyone who wears one is therefore a c*nt?

Although if I should ever start a band, Poppy Middle Class Death Cult would definitely be under consideration as a name.

steddyeddy · 05-11-2016 12:38AM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I would agree with Mclean stance as he is coming at it from a personal experience due to his people murdered during Bloody Sunday, I would feel the same regarding the Easter Lilly due to the PIRA terror campaign. If he doesn't want to wear it, so bloody what, it is his choice.

You surprise me. Hats off to you for that.

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2016 12:45AM

tipptom wrote: »

[/B] Cue James Mclean,isnt it disgraceful that he cant be bullied in to be a poster boy to sell poppies to aid the terrorists that shot his relatives in his own country.

I asked you to show evidence of some selling poppies harrassing people can you show this as you have claimed?

Timberrrrrrrr · 05-11-2016 12:48AM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Am I the only one that's a bit amazed that the OP got 23 pages out of a wee rant bitching about how he doesn't like poppies and anyone who wears one is therefore a c*nt?

Although if I should ever start a band, Poppy Middle Class Death Cult would definitely be under consideration as a name.

You're new here? This is a regular thing at this time of the year.

Junkyard Tom · 05-11-2016 12:50AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

You surprise me.

It shouldn't. It's false equivalence which is typical of a loyalist - it's the same type of mindset that loyalists used to justify their murder campaign against Catholic civilians - they justified it by saying it was taking the fight to the PIRA when, in reality, they killed more of each other feuding than they did PIRA men.

Not wearing a poppy is a neutral stance not a mark of defiance so don't let people fool you into thinking thier support for those who are neutral is in any way equivalent to their partisanship.

davycc · 05-11-2016 12:52AM

midnight city wrote: »

Has anyone appeared on a BBC panel over the last week without a poppy. Surely that's not right. Its not supposed to be an obligation to wear one it is supposed to be a free choice.

The only person I seen on bbc without a poppy was 1 political expert David d? This was the first face I have seen not wearing one on TV, was on BBC 1 newsline today 1pm news talking about brexit

Got a shock when I seen him first one noticed over the last month + on any show be it sport, politics, news bbc, sky, all same , even Charlie fecking Flanagan said he will wear his for the last 20 odd years in a row!

kfallon · 05-11-2016 12:59AM

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

I don't wear symbols, but fair dues to anyone who wants to wear one in Ireland, a lot of Irish people have served in the British Army.

The Easter Lilly on the other hand is basically stating that you support terrorists and state subversives.
I'd have nothing but content for anyone I'd see wearing one. Thankfully it doesn't seem to be a thing here, I've seen far more people wearing poppies than Lilly's.

So you're happy to see people wearing an Easter Lily?

JupiterKid · 05-11-2016 02:32AM

I have no problem with people wearing the poppy but it's pretty sad that it has become embroiled in identity politics and seen as a symbol of imperialism and bigotry.

Perhaps those people who have an utter hatred of the poppy emblem are a bigger issue than the poppy itself?

05-11-2016 02:48AM

I have no issue with poppy wearers but poppy nazis now there is a shower of cúnts! :mad: The absolute cheek of them putting pressure on people to wear poppies to suit their own agenda. They fool no one

Go back to even the mid noughties and no one gave a flying fúck about wearing poppies. Its propagandic boll0cksology from the UK media looking for sympathy for their 'heroes' despite the fact most were young kids thrown on the front line by their own elitist leaders.

As for the Brits having learned their lesson from the World wars they have gone into the Falklands, Iraq and Afghanistan to name a few since world war two. They know nothing but conflict. They have a chequered history up the North of ireland too where they didnt exactly play by the rules and many innocent people were caught in the crossfire every bit as much as those caught during the height of the IRA's reign of terror.

Chuchote · 05-11-2016 08:22AM

Other countries that lost millions don't go in for the poppy thing. They place flowers at war memorials at 11:11 on November 11, the anniversary of the armistice, that's all. A quiet, dignified commemoration. The poppy is an English nationalist symbol.

Triceratops Ballet · 05-11-2016 08:37AM

"Sentanta" has bigger problems than what you this of his poppy, as you've referred to him as both male and female in the space of 5 words.

Ni = daughter of

I guess at least it's evidence that you're probably not a shinner tho

05-11-2016 09:23AM

Robert Fisk should perhaps not open post for a while, and not expect an invitation to appear on British tv for the next month at least. They won't like this:

The poppy has become a symbol of racism – I will never wear one again

Fratton Fred · 05-11-2016 10:01AM

Chuchote wrote: »

Other countries that lost millions don't go in for the poppy thing. They place flowers at war memorials at 11:11 on November 11, the anniversary of the armistice, that's all. A quiet, dignified commemoration. The poppy is an English nationalist symbol.

Which is why the Scottish and Welsh FAs want their teams to wear one?

05-11-2016 10:06AM

dottie_lottie wrote: »

"Sentanta" has bigger problems than what you this of his poppy, as you've referred to him as both male and female in the space of 5 words.

Sentanta is clearly gender fluid, and the op was being inclusive. Have you got something against gender fluid people?

dottie_lottie wrote: »

Ni = daughter of
I guess at least it's evidence that you're probably not a shinner tho

Of course, because in the anti-Irish culture worldview of people like you everybody who speaks Irish must support Sinn Féin. For your ilk, that debate in Irish between Kenny, Gilmore & Martin a few years ago was really between Sinn Féiners. Aside from that, the following from the op would indicate to the rest of us that he didn't support Sinn Féin, and indeed that he was of the view that Sinn Féiners collectively were a flower:

ClovenHoof wrote: »

All the Sinn Fein knackers were a Lilly

A Little Pony · 05-11-2016 11:39AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

You surprise me.

It shouldn't. It's false equivalence which is typical of a loyalist - it's the same type of mindset that loyalists used to justify their murder campaign against Catholic civilians - they justified it by saying it was taking the fight to the PIRA when, in reality, they killed more of each other feuding than they did PIRA men.

Not wearing a poppy is a neutral stance not a mark of defiance so don't let people fool you into thinking thier support for those who are neutral is in any way equivalent to their partisanship.

Sorry but I had the IRA bomb my local town, murder Protestants etc. I won't be wearing an easter lily. It is the same thing, I don't want to force anyone into wearing something they don't want to wear. Maybe in your mind the PIRA terrorists are good people but to millions of people they weren't.

05-11-2016 02:36PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Sorry but I had the IRA bomb my local town, murder Protestants etc. I won't be wearing an easter lily. It is the same thing, I don't want to force anyone into wearing something they don't want to wear. Maybe in your mind the PIRA terrorists are good people but to millions of people they weren't.

You shouldnt have to wear an Easter lily. Ive never felt under pressure to wear one from society in Ireland and i like you will never wear one, however it seems if you are any way in the spotlight in the UK they are declaring war on you if you dont adorn a poppy. That is the central issue here. Whatever people say of James McClean i have great admiration for the way he stood firm and refused to bend the knee to all the knobheads and that is what these people are.....knobheads

This tweet sums the whole baloney up.

https://twitter.com/RogerDom1/status/793875799422144512

sondagefaux · 05-11-2016 08:36PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

sondagefaux wrote: »

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah, it's not. It has been shown numerous times that the British red poppy is explicitly only to remember those who fought for the British Empire/Commonwealth/State. It's a 100% tribal symbol of the most objectionable, jingoistic sort.

The Brits are entitled to remember those who died. I wouldn't expect them to commemorate the Germans who fell. The Germans do that. The Irish might mourn their own,if they didn't get bighed down in the usual "bloody west Brit" and "800 years!" sh*te. Some people in Ireland are simply unable to let go of something that happened 100 years before they were born (in fact they shout the loudest). You don't find this sh*t on the continent. I am good friends with Dutch and French people, do you think they rub WWII in.my face? Some people ought to drag their knuckles into the 21st century.

Are parts of the Netherlands or France still ruled by Germany?

The people of Northern Ireland have the choice if they want to be within the UK though and that is the current situation.

Northern Ireland is an artificial statelet gerrymandered out of the rest of Ireland. It has no democratic legitimacy as a polity whatsoever.

HellSquirrel · 05-11-2016 11:00PM

sondagefaux wrote: »

Northern Ireland is an artificial statelet gerrymandered out of the rest of Ireland. It has no democratic legitimacy as a polity whatsoever.

Someday, you'll notice that most contiguous borders were carefully rigged in some similar way and I bet your head will just explode.

After enough time, and enough separate cultural development, yes, it is a different country.

I wonder if I went to a game wearing a poppy and a lily, would I generate enough apoplectic rage in both sides to power the stadium? We could have a renewable source of energy here, people!

sondagefaux · 06-11-2016 02:48PM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

sondagefaux wrote: »

Northern Ireland is an artificial statelet gerrymandered out of the rest of Ireland. It has no democratic legitimacy as a polity whatsoever.

Someday, you'll notice that most contiguous borders were carefully rigged in some similar way and I bet your head will just explode.

After enough time, and enough separate cultural development, yes, it is a different country.

I wonder if I went to a game wearing a poppy and a lily, would I generate enough apoplectic rage in both sides to power the stadium? We could have a renewable source of energy here, people!

So Strabane is different enough to Lifford that it should be in a separate state? Ok - West Brit of The Year Award on its way to you sir.

HellSquirrel · 06-11-2016 04:08PM

sondagefaux wrote: »

So Strabane is different enough to Lifford that it should be in a separate state? Ok - West Brit of The Year Award on its way to you sir.

I note you didn't actually address my point, good sir, but only threw what I assume is an insult at me rather than cope with it.

Look, borders are artificial. That is just how it is. Many of them were artificially imposed. Look at the United States for a good example of that. Look at Africa for an even better example, albeit harder to read. You think Ireland got screwed? Africa got it a lot worse. But people adapt and reclaim a joint culture with their neighbours because people have to do that or you end up with a divided state (which is somewhat apparent in NI). Once that has happened, an outsider saying that these borders should be done away with because they have no polity(?) is useless. The border exists. You can say it's unfair until your face turns blue, but that is still the situation as it must be handled. You wanting a 32 county Ireland, or the republic back in the UK or however you want to deal with the split is absolutely irrelevant.

Now, do you actually have something to say, or are you going to respond with insults again? If the latter, I can only assume it's because you actually have nothing to say.

Also, it's ma'am to you, sir.

end of the road · 06-11-2016 04:12PM

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Someday, you'll notice that most contiguous borders were carefully rigged in some similar way and I bet your head will just explode.

After enough time, and enough separate cultural development, yes, it is a different country.

I wonder if I went to a game wearing a poppy and a lily, would I generate enough apoplectic rage in both sides to power the stadium? We could have a renewable source of energy here, people!

NI is not a different country, it's a stolen part of ireland. those living there are irish, and one day they shall return to the motherland.

HellSquirrel · 06-11-2016 04:16PM

Oh christ, once people start using "the motherland" unironically...

Enjoy! I'm out.

Commotion Ocean · 06-11-2016 10:57PM

Poppies not only represent those who died in WWI and WWII on the English side, but also represent those who died in ALL British armed struggles.

This also includes British soldiers who killed Irish civilians during the war of independence.

Wearing a poppy anywhere in Ireland is like erecting a giant, flashing neon swastika in the grounds of Auschwitz memorial.

Sudden Valley · 06-11-2016 11:28PM

If the poppy is just a charity drive for ex-British serviceman it does seem surprising for anyone in the Republic to buy them. Its not like we give money to ex-army servicemen from any other country in the world.

Skommando · 07-11-2016 01:19AM

The white poppy movement was once popular in the uk for those tired of the jingoism of the red poppy.

HellSquirrel · 07-11-2016 09:20AM

Sudden Valley wrote: »

If the poppy is just a charity drive for ex-British serviceman it does seem surprising for anyone in the Republic to buy them. Its not like we give money to ex-army servicemen from any other country in the world.

Yeees. I must admit, I'm a bit curious as to where all these poppy sellers in Ireland are, forcing people to buy poppies and wear them. Like, why do people care so much? IS there an underground poppy-pushing brigade over here that I missed?

I might as well complain about the French wearing...I dunno, a daisy, to support their veterans.

Beefy78 · 07-11-2016 11:05AM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Spare me all this bollox about "remembering the fallen" there's hardly anyone alive today with a personal memory of anybody who died in WWI. If your relative was killed in November 1918 and you were five years old at the time (a reasonable age from which to have a conscious memory) you would be 103 now. In which case if you have any memory at all you're doing really well.

it's not about "remembering the dead"; it's about reinterpreting the present. And it always has been.

Have you ever been at a Rememberance/Armistice Day Memorial?

Beefy78 · 07-11-2016 11:08AM

murpho999 wrote: »

It has become almost compulsory in the UK over the last 10 -15 years and in my opinion takes away the freedom of choice that their soldiers were supposed to be dying for.
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On TV, certainly. And I agree with you that the faux outrage in the media that has made it an expectation is sickening. In reality though a small minority of people in the UK wear one. And no one gets outraged about it, or even bats an eyelid.

Poppy Outrage is a far bigger thing in Ireland than Poppy Wearing is in the UK.

Walter H Price · 07-11-2016 11:15AM

i agree , would never wear one. I do hover go and put one on my Great Great Granfather's grave with my nana every year for the last 3. I took on doing a bit of family research my granda had started before he died a few years ago and through it found out that my nana's grandfather had fraught in world war 1 and been awarded two medals he never received. My granny knew her grandfather as a child and was very fond of him and it meant an awful lot to her being able to get those to medals from the MOD in the UK.

The first world war was brutal and pointless and a complete hypocrisy on behalf of the English who at the time were and had committed countless atrocities far worse then Germans ever had by Colonizing a quarter of the globe, but i seen no harm in taking a few minute every year to remember those who died in it.

I do equally visit the graves of both of my great grandfathers both of my Grand fathers fathers who fought in 1916 , the war of Independence and the Civil war (on opposite sides) every Easter for the last few years.

Fratton Fred · 07-11-2016 01:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You shouldnt have to wear an Easter lily. Ive never felt under pressure to wear one from society in Ireland and i like you will never wear one, however it seems if you are any way in the spotlight in the UK they are declaring war on you if you dont adorn a poppy. That is the central issue here. Whatever people say of James McClean i have great admiration for the way he stood firm and refused to bend the knee to all the knobheads and that is what these people are.....knobheads

This tweet sums the whole baloney up.

https://twitter.com/RogerDom1/status/793875799422144512

what changed, was that around the turn of the century, there was a growing concern that people were forgetting what remembrance day was all about and the mass slaughter of WWI was being forgotten. This was around the time that the last few veterans died off (I think the last one died around 2009). iirc, this was around the time that the general observance of a two minutes silence at 11am on the 11th November came in to being as well.

Poppy Middle Class Death Cult

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