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Motorway speed limits in Ireland

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  • #212
    Ginger83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    polan wrote: »
    It was a loaner thank God :pac: I have a 2.2 6 cylinder

    nice 1


  • #213
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,296 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Remove limit altogether with dynamic speed limit signs where necessary
    You should have to finish a kart race on wet track, reverse an artic, bring a motorbike to a dead stop from 120km and drive a Massey 166 down a wet grass hill with a few tons of silage in the trailer.
    Then you should get your licence.


  • #214
    Ginger83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    I drive the M9, N7, M50 every day and for long periods you could set the limit at 300km/hr and it wouldn't matter because you're stuck in a car-park for most of it.

    But ok, outside of that is it worth altering limits? No.

    120 is enough. As a nation we are awful drivers. 3 lanes and everyone who passes their test heads for the motor-way and God calls them to migrate towards the middle lane. It's an innate, instinctive feeling to go for that sacred middle lane.
    If you aren't in the middle lane then you're not Irish.

    So what happens is you get people under-taking and zipping into the left hand land when the overtaking lane isn't free. And then moving back out again and then into the over-taking lane often without indicating because indicators aren't popular here either.

    So even when it's 2 lanes and 120 limit you are guaranteed to meet someone doing 90 and holding people up so you get someone uncomfortable over-taking at speed so they move out and start doing 95 and you have to wait about 4 minutes before they go back in.
    And thats when you get the guy tail-gating and flashing because its a 120 zone so WTF are you doing holding him up?
    Solution.... Increase it to 140/hr ? How does that help? He gets 15% more annoyed?

    The limits are fine. It's the morons not knowing how to behave on motor-ways that are the problem.

    In order to pass your driving test you should have to spend 5 mins of your test on a motor-way. Not pass your test without ever having driven on one and head out to the middle lane to celebrate.

    Yes its madness to think you can pass a test and head for a motorway. Its like when I did my test you could go in, fail your test, shrug your shoulders and come out hop into your car and drive off. (Is it the same now)


  • #215
    Ginger83
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    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You should have to finish a kart race on wet track, reverse an artic, bring a motorbike to a dead stop from 120km and drive a Massey 166 down a wet grass hill with a few tons of silage in the trailer.
    Then you should get your licence.

    Do you think its ok for a newly qualified driver to pass a test, hop on a motorway and then increase the speed limit or abolish them altogether?


  • #216
    Ginger83
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    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    I'll also throw this situation in to get an opinion...

    I was slated for not doing 120km/hr on a motorway. I dont know alot about electric cars but what if someone had to do 90-100km/hr to maximise the car's range.

    Surely speed has a large impact on the range of the battery. How would motorist view them? Should they 'fuk off the road'?


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  • #217
    One_Of_Shanks
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    Raise to 130 km/h
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You should have to finish a kart race on wet track, reverse an artic, bring a motorbike to a dead stop from 120km and drive a Massey 166 down a wet grass hill with a few tons of silage in the trailer.
    Then you should get your licence.

    Yeah..... that's an appropriate response to asking for more motor-way awareness to be implemented into the driving test.

    You see how it works don't you? You make a sensible suggestion/comment and people debate it.
    Or you do what you just did and they just think "oh dear".


  • #218
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,512 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Raise to 150 km/h
    Ginger83 wrote: »
    I'll also throw this situation in to get an opinion...

    I was slated for not doing 120km/hr on a motorway. I dont know alot about electric cars but what if someone had to do 90-100km/hr to maximise the car's range.

    Surely speed has a large impact on the range of the battery. How would motorist view them? Should they 'fuk off the road'?

    This nonsense of saving fuel or battery as an excuse for dawdling on the motorways and causing yourself to be a hazard and obstruction to other vehicles, coupled with the notion that you're in the "right" because you're not "speeding" is exactly the attitude that makes things more dangerous on our roads.

    It's very simple.. as a motorist there is an obligation on you to be aware of the situation around you, to keep up with the flow of traffic and not unnecessarily impede or obstruct others. By your own admission, you fail these criteria by driving at 10-40 km/h under the posted 120 limit (or significantly slower than other traffic)

    If you want to save a few euro on your fuel bill, or aren't in any "rush" then stick to the secondary routes. Do not create a scenario where you are the direct cause of unnecessary congestion, overtaking and braking around you.


  • #219
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,296 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Remove limit altogether with dynamic speed limit signs where necessary
    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    Yeah..... that's an appropriate response to asking for more motor-way awareness to be implemented into the driving test.

    You see how it works don't you? You make a sensible suggestion/comment and people debate it.
    Or you do what you just did and they just think "oh dear".

    It's sensible when you think about it, you pass your test in a car, your driving everyday with different vehicles but you have no clue how they work and how different they are to driving a car. A lot of people loose there life when a car makes a wobble on a roundabout in the wet. I know mrs monkey would be close to tears and we had to go get my sister when she spun her 320 on a roundabout in the wet, she refused to drive the car home. Nothing wrong with the car only speed, wet road and rear wheel drive.
    I see a lot of drivers put truck drivers under severe pressure on the roads as they've no idea how to control one and the extra time they need to react, the same for tractors and tractors with full load trailers.
    Passing test doesn't make you a good driver, understanding how all vehicles work makes you lot more aware of what's actually happening on the road.

    My dad made me get all my driving licences by the time I was 18, had a full rigid, full car, bike and failed my artic test but I still done about 10 lessons in one, I think all that stood well to me and I know not to do things that will put other drivers under pressure especially truck, machinery and bike drivers. A car driving test teaches you none of that.
    There should be a driving centre where you get to try all these vehicles and it's part of the test. I'm not suggesting you need to have a full licence for all but you should have an understand of how they work and how your car driving has an effect on those road users.


  • #220
    Ginger83
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    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    This nonsense of saving fuel or battery as an excuse for dawdling on the motorways and causing yourself to be a hazard and obstruction to other vehicles, coupled with the notion that you're in the "right" because you're not "speeding" is exactly the attitude that makes things more dangerous on our roads.

    It's very simple.. as a motorist there is an obligation on you to be aware of the situation around you, to keep up with the flow of traffic and not unnecessarily impede or obstruct others. By your own admission, you fail these criteria by driving at 10-40 km/h under the posted 120 limit (or significantly slower than other traffic)

    If you want to save a few euro on your fuel bill, or aren't in any "rush" then stick to the secondary routes. Do not create a scenario where you are the direct cause of unnecessary congestion, overtaking and braking around you.

    You have more or less stated anyone that can't/won't drive at 120km/hr should be refused entry to use a motorway, mopeds, tractors, vehicles that cant manage 120km/hr.

    We'd have some country if you made the rules Mr Trump with your get the fuk outa my way attitude.


  • #221
    _Kaiser_
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    Raise to 150 km/h
    Ginger83 wrote: »
    You have more or less stated anyone that can't/won't drive at 120km/hr should be refused entry to use a motorway, mopeds, tractors, vehicles that cant manage 120km/hr.

    We'd have some country if you made the rules Mr Trump with your get the fuk outa my way attitude.

    Here's the difference - HGV drivers will generally drive as fast as conditions and their limiters permit and do not cause unnecessary obstructions to other traffic for the most part as they're aware of the limitations of their vehicle and adapt their driving style accordingly

    You as a car driver have no such restrictions or limitations, only self-imposed ones that you choose to affect other drivers with under the mistaken impression that you're not doing anything wrong solely because you're driving slower than the limit.. even though by doing so you are unnecessarily impeding other traffic.


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  • #222
    drunkmonkey
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    Remove limit altogether with dynamic speed limit signs where necessary
    You should be pulled if your doing 80km in the inside lane, everybody else is under pressure trying to avoid you. You've people then pulling out to the overtaking lane doing 90km, trucks also need to pull out.
    Your basically a rolling road block.


  • #223
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,296 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Remove limit altogether with dynamic speed limit signs where necessary
    Some statistics on open zone in Darwin http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/nt-government-set-to-extend-open-speed-zone/6745884
    It has the least amount of road deaths in Australia. You'd be mad to speed at night with the wildlife or you could end up with a camel or kangaroo in the window.


  • #224
    bladespin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Raise to 150 km/h
    Tbh I'm stumped by the 'slow' arguments, everyone knows the motorwars are 'fast' roads, if you're not able or comfortable you sould just stick to main roads.
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  • #225
    One_Of_Shanks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    Raise to 130 km/h
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You'd be mad to speed at night with the wildlife or you could end up with a camel in the window.

    Aye, that would give you the hump alright!


  • #226
    _Kaiser_
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    Raise to 150 km/h
    bladespin wrote: »
    Tbh I'm stumped by the 'slow' arguments, everyone knows the motorwars are 'fast' roads, if you're not able or comfortable you sould just stick to main roads.

    It's down to poor awareness and selfishness.

    Not only of the actual conditions around you (other cars and vehicles forced to maneuver around you and the congestion, delays and frustration caused) but of what is actually involved in driving safely.

    There's a lot more to it than blindly obeying speed limit signs, but because such drivers aren't "speeding" and worried about saving a few euro in fuel they'll plod along regardless muttering about all the "maniacs" around them. :rolleyes:


  • #227
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Raise to 150 km/h
    People driving 'slowly' on the motorway isnt the problem, its the idiots sitting in the overtaking lane(s) that is causing alot of traffic congestion


  • #228
    Ginger83
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    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    It's down to poor awareness and selfishness.

    Not only of the actual conditions around you (other cars and vehicles forced to maneuver around you and the congestion, delays and frustration caused) but of what is actually involved in driving safely.

    There's a lot more to it than blindly obeying speed limit signs, but because such drivers aren't "speeding" and worried about saving a few euro in fuel they'll plod along regardless muttering about all the "maniacs" around them. :rolleyes:

    5 mins wouldn't be saved between doing 100km/hr and 120km/hr on the average journey.

    Motorist are entitled to drive at a speed which they feel is safe to drive at, be it 51km/hr or 120km/hr. If you are not happy with that thats what an overtaking lane is there for or contact your local TD about having things changed or emigrate.


  • #229
    Ginger83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    Dempsey wrote: »
    People driving 'slowly' on the motorway isnt the problem, its the idiots sitting in the overtaking lane(s) that is causing alot of traffic congestion

    People need to be pulled and fined for sitting in the overtaking lane


  • #230
    Ginger83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    bladespin wrote: »
    Tbh I'm stumped by the 'slow' arguments, everyone knows the motorwars are 'fast' roads, if you're not able or comfortable you sould just stick to main roads.

    Everyone with a full licence with a vehicle over 50cc and capable of a minimum speed of 51km/hr is entitled to use a motorway so your statement means nothing.


  • #231
    Ginger83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You should be pulled if your doing 80km in the inside lane, everybody else is under pressure trying to avoid you. You've people then pulling out to the overtaking lane doing 90km, trucks also need to pull out.
    Your basically a rolling road block.

    Ok so you get pulled over and you ask "What law am i breaking"?
    Where does it state such?


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  • #232
    One_Of_Shanks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    Raise to 130 km/h
    Ginger83 wrote: »
    People need to be pulled and fined for sitting in the overtaking lane

    First of all what they should do is at least make it part of the driving theory test, it would be a good place to start.

    Question: When should you drive in the middle lane on a motorway.
    Answer: Only when over-taking a vehicle in the left lane and then move back into the left lane afterwards.
    .... And so on.
    And then ask all driving testers to ask that as one of the questions when quizing people before they go out on the road for the test.

    Educating people about how to drive on a motor-way should be the starting point but there's no real emphasis on it at all.

    And then a few daily adverts on RTE from the RSA reminding people about lane use on motor-ways.

    That's how you do it.

    We don;t have enough Guards these days to be pulling over every tom, dick, harry who are doing it incorrectly plus it's awkward for Guards to pull people in on motorways if we're honest, unless totally necessary.

    I genuinely don't think people do it just to piss others off. They do it because they simply don't know how to drive on a multi-lane motorway (mad as that may sound)
    Or... just laziness too of course.


  • #233
    Ginger83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    One_Of_Shanks wrote: »
    First of all what they should do is at least make it part of the driving theory test, it would be a good place to start.

    Question: When should you drive in the middle lane on a motorway.
    Answer: Only when over-taking a vehicle in the left lane and then move back into the left lane afterwards.
    .... And so on.

    Educating people about how to drive on a motor-way should be the starting point but there's no real emphasis on it at all.

    And then a few daily adverts on RTE from the RSA reminding people about lane use on motor-ways.

    That's how you do it.

    We don;t have enough Guards these days to be pulling over every tom, dick, harry who are doing it incorrectly plus it's awkward for Guards to pull people in on motorways if we're honest, unless totally necessary.

    I genuinely don't think people do it just to piss others off. They do it because they simply don't know how to drive on a multi-lane motorway (mad as that may sound)
    Or... just laziness too of course.

    Laziness has alot to do with it. Theres some amount of drivers that merge (badly) onto the M50 and head straight for lane 3.

    But some on here believe drivers shouldn't even be allowed onto lane 1 because they wont do 100km/hr. Maybe they're happy sitting in the lane with the trucks.


  • #234
    One_Of_Shanks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    Raise to 130 km/h
    Ginger83 wrote: »
    Laziness has alot to do with it. Theres some amount of drivers that merge (badly) onto the M50 and head straight for lane 3.

    Yep and then they stay in lane 3 for the duration before leaving it WAY too late to start moving back across for their exit. Then its a late dash across two lanes and feck everyone else.
    Every day ya see it.

    It would drive you nuts.

    Motorway driving should be the easiest thing in the world really. But as a nation we are ****e at it


  • #235
    _Kaiser_
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    Raise to 150 km/h
    Ginger83 wrote: »
    5 mins wouldn't be saved between doing 100km/hr and 120km/hr on the average journey.

    Motorist are entitled to drive at a speed which they feel is safe to drive at, be it 51km/hr or 120km/hr. If you are not happy with that thats what an overtaking lane is there for or contact your local TD about having things changed or emigrate.

    You just don't get it do you.. which is the scary thing!

    If you are holding up traffic by unnecessary dawdling, then where is much of that traffic going to go? The overtaking lane. Thus BOTH lanes are slowed and congested as a result, and cause other drivers to have to change lanes unneessarily... all because of your (and others like you) refusal to drive at the limit/speed of other traffic when there's no reason not to.

    Other drivers are not the problem in this instance - YOU are.. because your stubborn refusal to drive according to the prevailing conditions is making the situation more stressful and potentially dangerous for all.

    If you can't drive at 120 km/h when there's no reason not to and your actions cause you to act as a hazard to other motorists, then really you have no business being on a motorway IMO.


  • #236
    Seth Brundle
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    If you can't drive at 120 km/h when there's no reason not to and your actions cause you to act as a hazard to other motorists, then really you have no business being on a motorway IMO.
    Bullsh*t
    You do not have to drive at the limit. You do have to have consideration for other road users but driving along at 90km/h in lane 1 is in general doing that.
    You cannot expect everyone to drive at theach same speed as you. If you do then you will end up bullying other road users.
    Sure driving along in lane 2 when not overtaking is inconsiderate but you're talking crap when you suggest that driving at this speed in lane 1 is dangerous!
    If other drivers cannot overtake a car in lane 1 doing a legal speed then they should not be on the motorway.


  • #237
    Ginger83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    kbannon wrote: »
    Bullsh*t
    You do not have to drive at the limit. You do have to have consideration for other road users but driving along at 90km/h in lane 1 is in general doing that.
    You cannot expect everyone to drive at theach same speed as you. If you do then you will end up bullying other road users.
    Sure driving along in lane 2 when not overtaking is inconsiderate but you're talking crap when you suggest that driving at this speed in lane 1 is dangerous!
    If other drivers cannot overtake a car in lane 1 doing a legal speed then they should not be on the motorway.

    Thank you, at least some can see reasonable sense. Theres no talking to people who think the limit is a target. 100km/hr IS NOT unnecessary dawdling!

    Your last line makes the best bit of sense i've read in 17 pages


  • #238
    sunnysoutheast
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    I'd like to see the French option of 130 (good weather) / 110 (poor weather).

    With the latter rigidly enforced.


  • #239
    bladespin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Raise to 150 km/h
    Ginger83 wrote:
    Everyone with a full licence with a vehicle over 50cc and capable of a minimum speed of 51km/hr is entitled to use a motorway so your statement means nothing.

    I'm not stating anything, thanks, just suggesting that if you're not capable of maintaining pace then you're better off somwhere you're more comfortable, better all round. I wouldn't suggest driving on a motorway past a garda at 51kmh though explaining your 'entitlement' to them would be entertaining.
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  • #240
    One_Of_Shanks
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    Raise to 130 km/h
    sunnysoutheast wrote: »
    I'd like to see the French option of 130 (good weather) / 110 (poor weather).

    With the latter rigidly enforced.

    110 all the time so! :)


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  • #241
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    kbannon wrote: »
    Bullsh*t
    You do not have to drive at the limit. You do have to have consideration for other road users but driving along at 90km/h in lane 1 is in general doing that.
    You cannot expect everyone to drive at theach same speed as you. If you do then you will end up bullying other road users.
    Sure driving along in lane 2 when not overtaking is inconsiderate but you're talking crap when you suggest that driving at this speed in lane 1 is dangerous!
    If other drivers cannot overtake a car in lane 1 doing a legal speed then they should not be on the motorway.

    Would you give speed matching your very best attempt when merging or would you just lump yourself out there any any speed because you're "entitled"?


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