Motorway speed limits in Ireland

Seth Brundle

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Would you give speed matching your very best attempt when merging or would you just lump yourself out there any any speed because you're "entitled"?

I'm guessing that you've had a skinful when posting that as it doesn't make sense!

Special Circumstances

kbannon wrote: »

I'm guessing that you've had a skinful when posting that as it doesn't make sense!

Wow okay. Pretty easy to understand unless you have a need for scientifically exact terminology and minute detail even for fairly self explanatory things!

Should we assume that you make no effort to match the speed of the main flow as the concept appears to be beyond you? You just throw yourself out there at any speed you feel like?

I know you get in a huff when I extrapolate stuff from your responses/deflections/excusing... but your claim to not to understand good merging practice is more than a little disingenuous surely?

Seth Brundle

If I were to go out to the M4 beside me now it's probably near empty. If there was traffic I will match the speed (but your gibberish post didn't ask this).
However on an empty motorway in all likelihood will be doing 120 slready when I pass the 120 sign.
Not that this matters as my point was that it would be legal for me to join doing say 90 and stick to that, despite what others were posting.
From your post, you seem to be looking at this from a busy motorway perspective whereas most of our motorways spend most of their time bring relatively quiet.

Special Circumstances

kbannon wrote: »

If I were to go out to the M4 beside me now it's probably near empty. If there was traffic I will match the speed (but your gibberish post didn't ask this).
However on an empty motorway in all likelihood will be doing 120 slready when I pass the 120 sign.
Not that this matters as my point was that it would be legal for me to join doing say 90 and stick to that, despite what others were posting.
From your post, you seem to be looking at this from a busy motorway perspective whereas most of our motorways spend most of their time bring relatively quiet.

Can you point me to any part of my post that you had specific difficulty with? The merging bit or the merging bit?

Seth Brundle

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Can you point me to any part of my post that you had specific difficulty with? The merging bit or the merging bit?

Your post last night does not make sense. Do you wish for us to guess what your trying to convey?

However, my post which you responded to had nothing to do with merging. Nonetheless I've since answered your subsequent question.
The claim was made by kaiser that if you can't do 120 then you shouldn't be on the motorway. I said how this was not correct. What bit are you having doubts about as I believe that my posts are quite clear and unambiguous?

Ginger83

Decrease them to 110 km/h

bladespin wrote: »

I'm not stating anything, thanks, just suggesting that if you're not capable of maintaining pace then you're better off somwhere you're more comfortable, better all round. I wouldn't suggest driving on a motorway past a garda at 51kmh though explaining your 'entitlement' to them would be entertaining.

"What can i do for you garda? No law broken here garda, i'm just in no hurry so i'll go about my business and let you go about yours, unless you want to check my valid licence, tax, insurance and nct?"

Means Of Escape

Raise to 150 km/h

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I think before we do anything there should be an overtaking lane blitz by the Gardaí, the amount of backward thick people who still assume it's the "fast lane" is frightening.

But it is the faster Lane

Special Circumstances

kbannon wrote: »

Bullsh*t
You do not have to drive at the limit. You do have to have consideration for other road users but driving along at 90km/h in lane 1 is in general doing that.
You cannot expect everyone to drive at theach same speed as you. If you do then you will end up bullying other road users.
Sure driving along in lane 2 when not overtaking is inconsiderate but you're talking crap when you suggest that driving at this speed in lane 1 is dangerous!
If other drivers cannot overtake a car in lane 1 doing a legal speed then they should not be on the motorway.

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Would you give speed matching your very best attempt when merging or would you just lump yourself out there any any speed because you're "entitled"?

kbannon wrote: »

I'm guessing that you've had a skinful when posting that as it doesn't make sense!

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Wow okay. Pretty easy to understand unless you have a need for scientifically exact terminology and minute detail even for fairly self explanatory things!

Should we assume that you make no effort to match the speed of the main flow as the concept appears to be beyond you? You just throw yourself out there at any speed you feel like?

I know you get in a huff when I extrapolate stuff from your responses/deflections/excusing... but your claim to not to understand good merging practice is more than a little disingenuous surely?

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Can you point me to any part of my post that you had specific difficulty with? The merging bit or the merging bit?

kbannon wrote: »

If I were to go out to the M4 beside me now it's probably near empty. If there was traffic I will match the speed (but your gibberish post didn't ask this).
However on an empty motorway in all likelihood will be doing 120 slready when I pass the 120 sign.
Not that this matters as my point was that it would be legal for me to join doing say 90 and stick to that, despite what others were posting.
From your post, you seem to be looking at this from a busy motorway perspective whereas most of our motorways spend most of their time bring relatively quiet.

kbannon wrote: »

Your post last night does not make sense. Do you wish for us to guess what your trying to convey?

However, my post which you responded to had nothing to do with merging. Nonetheless I've since answered your subsequent question.
The claim was made by kaiser that if you can't do 120 then you shouldn't be on the motorway. I said how this was not correct. What bit are you having doubts about as I believe that my posts are quite clear and unambiguous?

Do you enter motorways exclusively by avoiding slip roads etc that would require you to merge into the main flow?

I don't see how motorway driving and merging are not linked? For me they go hand in hand, merging in a sensible manner goes with driving in a sensible manner, and merging at an unnecessarily low speed is linked with driving at an unnecessarily slow speed IMHO.

My linking motorway driving with actually getting onto the motorway - was that the source of your confusion?


So... you want to dawdle along, 80,90kph on a motorway where the main flow is moving at 120-130kph. Do you merge, if capable, at the speed of the main flow or do you just throw yourself out at your chosen top speed for the day?

Ginger83

Decrease them to 110 km/h

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Do you enter motorways exclusively by avoiding slip roads etc that would require you to merge into the main flow?

I don't see how motorway driving and merging are not linked? For me they go hand in hand, merging in a sensible manner goes with driving in a sensible manner, and merging at an unnecessarily low speed is linked with driving at an unnecessarily slow speed IMHO.

My linking motorway driving with actually getting onto the motorway - was that the source of your confusion?


So... you want to dawdle along, 80,90kph on a motorway where the main flow is moving at 120-130kph. Do you merge, if capable, at the speed of the main flow or do you just throw yourself out at your chosen top speed for the day?

Its recommended and stated by the RSA that motorists can move into lane 2 to allowed traffic to join the motorway.

Why would motorists be doing up to 130km/hr? Are you not aware what the limit on the motorway is??

Theres more chance of you getting pulled over doing 130km/hr than me doing 100km/hr.

Seth Brundle

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Do you enter motorways exclusively by avoiding slip roads etc that would require you to merge into the main flow?

I don't see how motorway driving and merging are not linked? For me they go hand in hand, merging in a sensible manner goes with driving in a sensible manner, and merging at an unnecessarily low speed is linked with driving at an unnecessarily slow speed IMHO.

My linking motorway driving with actually getting onto the motorway - was that the source of your confusion?


So... you want to dawdle along, 80,90kph on a motorway where the main flow is moving at 120-130kph. Do you merge, if capable, at the speed of the main flow or do you just throw yourself out at your chosen top speed for the day?

I've already stated that I drive at the limit. If truth be told, I'm probably well over the limit.
What I said was that someone driving along a quiet motorway can do so at a speed lower than the limit e.g. 90km/h. I didn't mention merging, you did.
A previous poster had said that if they won't drive at 120km/h then they shouldn't be on the road. My post was simply to refute that claim. You have since started going on about merging , etc. blowing the point somewhat out of proportion.

Special Circumstances

kbannon wrote: »

Bullsh*t
You do not have to drive at the limit. You do have to have consideration for other road users but driving along at 90km/h in lane 1 is in general doing that.
You cannot expect everyone to drive at theach same speed as you. If you do then you will end up bullying other road users.
Sure driving along in lane 2 when not overtaking is inconsiderate but you're talking crap when you suggest that driving at this speed in lane 1 is dangerous!
If other drivers cannot overtake a car in lane 1 doing a legal speed then they should not be on the motorway.

kbannon wrote: »

I've already stated that I drive at the limit. If truth be told, I'm probably well over the limit.
What I said was that someone driving along a quiet motorway can do so at a speed lower than the limit e.g. 90km/h. I didn't mention merging, you did.
A previous poster had said that if they won't drive at 120km/h then they shouldn't be on the road. My post was simply to refute that claim. You have since started going on about merging , etc. blowing the point somewhat out of proportion.

You didn't mention anything about it being a quiet motorway before making out that my initial post was drunken gibberish / unrelated gibberish.

I stand by my linking of merging with a motorway and subsequent driving on it. Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

bladespin

Raise to 150 km/h

Ginger83 wrote: »

"What can i do for you garda? No law broken here garda, i'm just in no hurry so i'll go about my business and let you go about yours, unless you want to check my valid licence, tax, insurance and nct?"

Yup, try that, then argue your way out of a careless driving charge with the same aplomb.

Seth Brundle

Special Circumstances wrote: »

You didn't mention anything about it being a quiet motorway before making out that my initial post was drunken gibberish / unrelated gibberish.

Our motorways are usually quiet and therefore not dangerous to drive slower than 120km/h. Motorways are only busy during peak periods (hence the use of the term peak).
In fact if Kaiser and I were discussing motorway speeds of 120km/h then it would be quite safe to assume that the motorway was not busy.
I did however since make reference to quiet motorways.

You went off then and started talking about merging, etc.

Special Circumstances wrote: »

I stand by my linking of merging with a motorway and subsequent driving on it. Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

That's fine with me.

alan partridge aha

I think in fairness the cops would not pull you over for doing 100 in a 120, but I think they would if you were doing 60 in a 120.

I failed my test for not doing at or around the speed limit when nothing was impeding me. Can't remember what it was called exactly. I thought I was been ultra safe instead I was holding up traffic. Not making reasonable progress or something like that. I'm fairly sure the same would apply on N or M roads.

One_Of_Shanks

Raise to 130 km/h

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Can't remember what it was called exactly.

Lack of progress

Ginger83

Decrease them to 110 km/h

bladespin wrote: »

Yup, try that, then argue your way out of a careless driving charge with the same aplomb.

Would never happen, a guard knows it'd be a waste of time and never stand up as no wrongdoing.

ScumLord

Raise to 150 km/h

alan partridge aha wrote: »

I failed my test for not doing at or around the speed limit when nothing was impeding me.

So did I! Never made that mistake again.

drunkmonkey

Remove limit altogether with dynamic speed limit signs where necessary

I failed mine for jumping out of the car when it wouldn't start at the very start of the test, getting the wheel brace out of the boot and giving the alternator a few belts to get us going. .
Made me do the full test he informed me after I failed at that part.
Thought I should have got a medal. Passed it 2 weeks later when got in on a cancellation.

Ginger83

Decrease them to 110 km/h

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I failed mine for jumping out of the car when it wouldn't start at the very start of the test, getting the wheel brace out of the boot and giving the alternator a few belts to get us going. .
Made me do the full test he informed me after I failed at that part.
Thought I should have got a medal. Passed it 2 weeks later when got in on a cancellation.

Thats cruel man, you should have passed for initiative alone.

bladespin

Raise to 150 km/h

Ginger83 wrote:

Would never happen, a guard knows it'd be a waste of time and never stand up as no wrongdoing.

I wouldn't bet on it, if a garda witness a vehicle being driven in a manner that could cause a dangerous situation they'll act and the courts will back them up; I'd class a car being driven at 51kmh on a motorway a potential danger to unsuspecting traffic.

_Kaiser_

Raise to 150 km/h

Ginger83 wrote: »

Would never happen, a guard knows it'd be a waste of time and never stand up as no wrongdoing.

The problem with your school of thought is that in reality/on the road, there's often a vast difference between being technically "in the right" and what's actually the right thing to do.

Plodding along at 51 km/h on a motorway (or at any speed that's significantly less than the traffic around you) may not technically be wrong, but any ounce of cop-on will tell you that it's a incredibly stupid and dangerous thing to do. You can be sure that the Garda would have a much bigger issue with this than if your NCT disc is in-date.

But unfortunately there are a lot of like-minded drivers out there who lack this sense of awareness and basic cop-on or the ability to properly adapt to fast-changing conditions.. and this in turn results in stupid decisions and serious consequences for not only themselves but other road users.

D_murph

Raise to 160 km/h

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The problem with your school of thought is that in reality/on the road, there's often a vast difference between being technically "in the right" and what's actually the right thing to do.

Plodding along at 51 km/h on a motorway (or at any speed that's significantly less than the traffic around you) may not technically be wrong, but any ounce of cop-on will tell you that it's a incredibly stupid and dangerous thing to do. You can be sure that the Garda would have a much bigger issue with this than if your NCT disc is in-date.

But unfortunately there are a lot of like-minded drivers out there who lack this sense of awareness and basic cop-on or the ability to properly adapt to fast-changing conditions.. and this in turn results in stupid decisions and serious consequences for not only themselves but other road users.

That's the problem with people these days man. An over inflated sense of entitlement. "Im entitled to do this so I will, no matter how it pisses off someone else". Kinda like being legally entitled to walk up to someone and call them an idiot to their face and expect no consequences because they did nothing wrong.

I suspect that this particular poster you're dealing with here is just taking the mickey though. There's nobody with a brain and a driving license (hopefully anyway) that thinks its safe to drive so much slower than the average speed on a motorway. If they were of that train of thought originally, Id imagine they learned rather quickly (pun) to get with the flow of traffic or get off.

There's always that one though so you never know. I certainly wouldn't come on here and brag about it tho...