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The Garda Strike

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  • #812
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    There's plenty of new Gardai on Family Income Supplement.

    Family Income Supplement

    It's not that hard to see why when you look at the qualifying bands, and take into account base take home pay is currently in the region of €330 per week (it takes a fair bit of allowances and overtime to push you over the threshold depending on the number of kids you have).

    If you have: And your weekly family income is less than:
    One child €511
    Two children €612
    Three children €713
    Four children €834
    Five children €960
    Six children €1,076
    Seven children €1,212
    Eight children €1,308



    330 P/W is less than minimum wage, isn't it?


  • #813
    Ben Gadot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭Ben Gadot


    fizzypish wrote: »
    Sucks to be a guard or nurse if you joined up in the last 10 (?) years. They should be getting more money but is the money even there?

    That's what they signed up for.


  • #814
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    cursai wrote: »
    Are you drunk.....at 12midday?

    He's sore :pac:


  • #815
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rightwing wrote: »
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/gardaiacute-sleeping-in-cars-due-to-pay-cuts-327600.html

    We have a good headline here. Garda sleeping in car and has to make a poo...what I had to do.

    The Sun would be interested. Sell your story Garda, sell your story, even if no one believes you it's entertainment,

    Seriously, you are loosing your mind here! Time to take some time out....
    No more internet for you today........


  • #816
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    tayto lover wrote: »
    He's sore :pac:

    Its not from overusing his brain.


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  • #817
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    cursai wrote: »
    Did you just quote AVERAGES.....AGAIN???? Are you taking the mick or do you actually think they are smart figures to be using? LOL
    Well the problem then isn't that the government isn't putting enough money into AGS wages. So why don't they campaign for better pay equality throughout the force?


  • #818
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,839 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    cursai wrote: »
    What about those on 'average' pay. Surely if they were on that they wouldn't qualify.

    I'm not taking about average pay for well established members, I'm far more concerned about the starting salary of new recruits. They are nowhere near the 'average' figure being bandied about here and they never will either due to the two tier pay scale that was put in place for new entrants (which applies right across the public sector).


  • #819
    tayto lover
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    Ben Gadot wrote: »
    That's what they signed up for.

    And that's why they have to be paid a proper good wage. Just like all frontline staff should get. FG are beginning to realise this at last.


  • #820
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ben Gadot wrote: »
    That's what they signed up for.

    No, no its not.
    Gardai pay was cut, pension levy was introduced.
    All in all they reckon Garda pay is down 16%.
    So, no one signed up for that.


  • #821
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    osmiumartist wrote: »
    Well the problem then isn't that the government isn't putting enough money into AGS wages. So why don't they campaign for better pay equality throughout the force?

    Maybe you have a point. But wouldnt it take a lot of money for you to take the soup like Yer wan O Sullivan has done.


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  • #822
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    cursai wrote: »
    Are you drunk.....at 12midday?

    No Garda here has still explained the 'sleeping in the car story'......and somehow I don't think they will. ;)


  • #823
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rightwing wrote: »
    No Garda here has still explained the 'sleeping the car story'......and somehow I don't think they will. ;)

    What's to explain?
    Some members obviously didn't have enough money to put petrol in their car to get home.
    So they had to sleep in their cars.
    Don't know how you couldn't work that out......


  • #824
    tayto lover
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    No Garda here has still explained the 'sleeping in the car story'......and somehow I don't think they will. ;)
    https://www.google.ie/search?q=sleeping+in+car+pic&client=firefox-b-ab&tbm=isch&imgil=g_lP27V-7GiUNM%253A%253BNOuGIcd6UOckVM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fconnachttribune.ie%25252Ftag%25252Fsleeping-in-car%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=g_lP27V-7GiUNM%253A%252CNOuGIcd6UOckVM%252C_&usg=__nJJGxu-bbxxsfAcD7HXn_MqoL5w%3D&biw=1366&bih=657&ved=0ahUKEwjNhqrRzZHQAhVlCMAKHRD1AmkQyjcINQ&ei=J88dWI3XFuWQgAaQ6ovIBg#imgrc=g_lP27V-7GiUNM%3A


  • #825
    cursai
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    I'm not taking about average pay for well established members, I'm far more concerned about the starting salary of new recruits. They are nowhere near the 'average' figure being bandied about here and they never will either due to the two tier pay scale that was put in place for new entrants (which applies right across the public sector).

    Sierra.....im taking the piss. I taking the mick out of the use of averages. The use of which is totally misconstrued.


  • #826
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Rightwing wrote: »
    No Garda here has still explained the 'sleeping in the car story'......and somehow I don't think they will. ;)

    Where did YOU sleep last night?


  • #827
    Sierra Oscar
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    No Garda here has still explained the 'sleeping in the car story'......and somehow I don't think they will. ;)

    A neighbour of mine has slept in his car on a few occasions to bridge the gap between shifts. It's just cheaper and easier for him to sleep in the car rather than travelling 90 mins home, sleep for a few hours and then hop in the car and drive 90 mins back to the station to start his shift again. It usually happens when he's required to work a shift he was not originally rostered to work.

    He used to be able to grab some kip in the station but the Chief Super put an end to that as there were some health and safety concerns, and it just looked plain bad for an officer to be sleeping on a makeshift bed on a station floor.

    There used to be accommodation provided in many stations across the country to prevent problems like this but they were done away with over the last couple of decades. The rent allowance was phased in as a replacement but that was done away with for new entrants.

    Also this officer has been moved to at least three different stations within his division over the last 18 months. It doesn't exactly make for stable living.


  • #828
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What's to explain?
    Some members obviously didn't have enough money to put petrol in their car to get home.
    So they had to sleep in their cars.
    Don't know how you couldn't work that out......

    Do they bring toilet paper and poo cleaner with them? :rolleyes:


  • #829
    thomasdylan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 514 ✭✭✭thomasdylan


    The gardai have gotten a very good offer. They should take it. I'm sure they will.


  • #830
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Does any garda posting on here think that the Govt offer will not be accepted?
    According to RTE a lot of garda officers are not happy with the offer.


  • #831
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Do they bring toilet paper and poo cleaner with them? :rolleyes:

    Sleep in cars.
    Sleep.
    Not sh1t.
    Do you use your bed as a toilet?


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  • #832
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Do they bring toilet paper and poo cleaner with them? :rolleyes:

    YOu keep referencing toilets........did you sleep in the pub urinal again last night.


  • #833
    [Deleted User]
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    thomasdylan wrote: »
    The gardai have gotten a very good offer. They should take it. I'm sure they will.

    What good offer is that?
    Honestly, what do you think they have been offered?


  • #834
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    cursai wrote: »
    Maybe you have a point. But wouldnt it take a lot of money for you to take the soup like Yer wan O Sullivan has done.
    Wha?


  • #835
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What good offer is that?
    Honestly, what do you think they have been offered?

    Exactly!


  • #836
    tayto lover
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    cursai wrote: »
    YOu keep referencing toilets........did you sleep in the pub urinal again last night.
    One of my little grandsons is at the toilet talk too. He's 4 years old.


  • #837
    osmiumartist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 916 ✭✭✭osmiumartist


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    A neighbour of mine has slept in his car on a few occasions to bridge the gap between shifts. It's just cheaper and easier for him to sleep in the car rather than travelling 90 mins home, sleep for a few hours and then hop in the car and drive 90 mins back to the station to start his shift again. It usually happens when he's required to work a shift he was not originally rostered to work.
    Then you will agree that all other public servants doing shifts should get the same allowance?


  • #838
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    osmiumartist wrote: »
    Wha?

    Noirin O Sullivan, the commissioner of An Garda Siochana! She is a high ranking officer, whos pay, along with others, would completely swell the averages. Has, according to many, taken the proverbial soup in relation to her handling of her colleagues in this matter. 'This matter' is the one we are discussing.


  • #839
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    A neighbour of mine has slept in his car on a few occasions to bridge the gap between shifts. It's just cheaper and easier for him to sleep in the car rather than travelling 90 mins home, sleep for a few hours and then hop in the car and drive 90 mins back to the station to start his shift again. It usually happens when he's required to work a shift he was not originally rostered to work.

    He used to be able to grab some kip in the station but the Chief Super put an end to that as there were some health and safety concerns, and it just looked plain bad for an officer to be sleeping on a makeshift bed on a station floor.

    There used to be accommodation provided in many stations across the country to prevent problems like this but they were done away with over the last couple of decades.

    Also this officer has been moved to at least three different stations within his division over the last 18 months. It doesn't exactly make for stable living.

    Seems most extraordinary to me. That chap is clearly a danger to other road users.
    bubblypop wrote: »
    Sleep in cars.
    Sleep.
    Not sh1t.
    Do you use your bed as a toilet?

    Well I'd go to a toilet, but if I were sleeping in a car and had to go, but....maybe they have scoop the poop bags for that nowadays in the gardai.


  • #840
    thomasdylan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 514 ✭✭✭thomasdylan


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What good offer is that?
    Honestly, what do you think they have been offered?

    Rent allowance restoration of 4000 for the newer guards is a good boost. 500e increase in it for everyone else too, then the parading pay and 15e for holiday days. Thats what I've seen reported, I might be a bit off on some figures though. I think that's pretty good, should provide a big boost to the newer guards who are relatively underpaid. I think that's a realistic and reasonable offer tbh.


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  • #841
    Sierra Oscar
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    osmiumartist wrote: »
    Then you will agree that all other public servants doing shifts should get the same allowance?

    If they are being forced to sleep in cars, then yes.

    Although it's important to point out that most other public servants can't be forced to change their place of work willy-nilly. Decentralisation clearly showed this. The Government wanted to move certain departments away from Dublin which required personnel to change their place of work. There was a dispute and in the end the compromise was that the workers would get collected at their old place of work at the start of their working day, then they would be bussed out of the capital to the new workplace. The same applied for the end of the working day - they had to be dropped back off at their old place of work before they were scheduled to finish work. The dispute was eventually settled by introducing new premium payments.

    A Garda doesn't have such options. I could be based in Dublin and my superiors could order me to report to a station in Galway within a few days.


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