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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Harvey Normal


    There's always a trump Russia scare whenever Clinton does something untoward.

    Reds under the beds. Modern version.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭Hippo


    The Trumpists around these parts seem quite rejuvenated by the email non-story. We're not hearing so much about the election being rigged anymore!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    There's always a trump Russia scare whenever Clinton does something untoward.

    Reds under the beds. Modern version.

    When Trump is on record as supporting Russia then his secret communications with a Russian bank is News.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    https://www.whois.com/whois/trump-email.com

    It's owned by Cendyn, some hospitality software something that does ads and stuff that is used in Trump hotels.

    That slate article has already been debunked. Hillary pushing that story is pure desperation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    https://www.whois.com/whois/trump-email.com

    It's owned by Cendyn, some hospitality software something that does ads and stuff that is used in Trump hotels.

    That slate article has already been debunked. Hillary pushing that story is pure desperation.

    Link to the debunking then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,366 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    This election process, as it's being used now, seems to show that American-dream troubles hidden from view are now on live TV. It looks like joe public has been messed about with generally tax, services and job-wise by national and local Govt for too long and disorder is being expressed via the chosen big-two party candidates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Hillary Clinton, 2nd worst presidential candidate ever, 2nd only to Donald Trump

    But no-one is asked to rate Hillary next to Bill Clinton, Dubya, Reagan or the other horndogs, doofusses or Alzheimers patients who have held the office.

    Which is better, Hillary or Trump? Obviously the answer is Hillary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump
    In June, the former Western intelligence officer—who spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and who now works with a US firm that gathers information on Russia for corporate clients—was assigned the task of researching Trump's dealings in Russia and elsewhere, according to the former spy and his associates in this American firm. This was for an opposition research project originally financed by a Republican client critical of the celebrity mogul. (Before the former spy was retained, the project's financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.) "It started off as a fairly general inquiry," says the former spook, who asks not to be identified. But when he dug into Trump, he notes, he came across troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, "there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit."

    This was, the former spy remarks, "an extraordinary situation." He regularly consults with US government agencies on Russian matters, and near the start of July on his own initiative—without the permission of the US company that hired him—he sent a report he had written for that firm to a contact at the FBI, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates, who asked not to be identified. (He declines to identify the FBI contact.) The former spy says he concluded that the information he had collected on Trump was "sufficiently serious" to share with the FBI.

    Mother Jones has reviewed that report and other memos this former spy wrote. The first memo, based on the former intelligence officer's conversations with Russian sources, noted, "Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." It maintained that Trump "and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." It claimed that Russian intelligence had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him." It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on "bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls."

    The former intelligence officer says the response from the FBI was "shock and horror." The FBI, after receiving the first memo, did not immediately request additional material, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates. Yet in August, they say, the FBI asked him for all information in his possession and for him to explain how the material had been gathered and to identify his sources. The former spy forwarded to the bureau several memos—some of which referred to members of Trump's inner circle. After that point, he continued to share information with the FBI. "It's quite clear there was or is a pretty substantial inquiry going on," he says.

    "This is something of huge significance, way above party politics," the former intelligence officer comments. "I think [Trump's] own party should be aware of this stuff as well."

    So Trump is apparently tied up tight to the Russian government and the FBI is/was sitting on this information for some reason, but Comey thought it was totally ok to throw out an ambiguous, detail-light letter about something to do with Clinton emails?

    HMMMMM.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,485 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    m1ck007 wrote: »
    Trump is gonna trounce Hilary. Too much scandal, too much cover up.

    Trump university has a fraud class action against it on November 28th and trump himself has a civil court case over alleged 1994 rape due on December 16th.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Iceboy wrote: »
    I can't tell if your joking or just lacking intelligence or common sense.

    Everytime something comes into question and even with evidence to back it up you people shout tin foil hats, so narrow minded

    I love how they think shaming people by using things like "conspiracy theory" "crazy" "delusional" will work anymore when there is SOLID PROOF of this. Oh and the whole "Islamophobia" "bigot" "racist" no longer works as well. Gonna have to try something new, like the truth.

    Grand.

    However you're still wrong and it's still just a stupid conspiracy theory.

    Google it or use bing if you don't trust google.

    A circumstantial quirk doesn't equate to proof, regardless of whether you use caps or not.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Might have something to do with things like his considerable ties to Russia, his relationship top utan that he is on record saying he has despite later lying by claiming otherwise, and the close connections his old campaign manager Paul Manafon has with Russia that the FBI were investigating but chose to keep entirely silent on in utter contrast to the Clinton emails last weekend.

    I said at the time that I didn't find what Coney did too dodgy, but with what else has come to light in regards to the Russian stuff (which he agreed on), its extremely dodgy to put it mildly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Looks like Trump has got the edge in the latest poll.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1101/828360-trump-clinton-us-election-2016/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,108 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Looks like Trump has got the edge in the latest poll.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1101/828360-trump-clinton-us-election-2016/

    Ugh. Trump does not have the edge. rte wanted clicks and they found a poll that has Trump ahead and made a story out of it. As ever wait for a few to come in and see where they average out to and how much they have moved.

    Poll aggregators. That is where it is at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Happy November everyone, nearly there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Looks like Trump has got the edge in the latest poll.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1101/828360-trump-clinton-us-election-2016/

    Good, don't want Hillary supporters getting complacent. Even an outlier poll like this can help wake them up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭Boulevardier


    I think that the Clinton campaign is an instance of where some simple changes of visual style would instil greater confidence in the candidate.

    First, Hillary should lose the ridiculous 1970s glamorous granny trouser suit. Secondly, she should stop dancing onto the podium. Thirdly, she should drop that silly pretence of greeting a friend of hers in the audience. We all know there is no-one there.

    Hillary should appear in a dingified, statesmanlike dress and wear a serious expression to match.

    A bit of dignitas and gravitas would go a long way.

    Trump may be a lot of things, but at least he has reasonable campaign dress sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Good, don't want Hillary supporters getting complacent. Even an outlier poll like this can help wake them up.

    Will it make a difference? Too late methinks, the momentum appears to be with Trump. I just cannot fathom why anyone would vote for him, other than to stop her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    A bit of dignitas and gravitas would go a long way.

    The smiley happy act is a direct result of all the abuse she suffered over the years for being too serious, boring and wonky from PR types.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Will it make a difference? Too late methinks, the momentum appears to be with Trump.

    Nah, the whole fuss is too late. Trump is too far behind, early voting in Florida has probably buried him already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Nah, the whole fuss is too late. Trump is too far behind, early voting in Florida has probably buried him already.

    I hope you are right. He is truly a nightmare and unleashing him on the world would have disasterous consequences for us all, IMO.


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think Clinton has too much of an Electoral College lead for Trump to make up...

    He may close the popular vote gap but Clinton still has a solid line to 285+ Electoral college votes..

    RCP has her on 263 solid EC votes with Trump on 164 - She only need to close out 1 of the 9 "Toss-up" states whereas Trump needs every single one..

    The real impact of this is likely that Trump will get close enough on the popular vote for his "rigged election" tripe to gain traction.

    Expect Clinton to win but Trump to refuse to concede and spend the next several weeks at least failing around the media about how he was robbed etc. etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories around these parts. The strange thing is when it comes to Hillary's emails it is dismissed by some, but Trump has a secure connection to Russia, maybe he does but some who dismiss the emails choose to believe that, people here do not apply the same standards when it comes to conspiracy to both Clinton and Trump.
    It is believe the conspiracy that suits which affects credibility of arguments.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Michelle Obama has scrubbed her Twitter account of any Hillary tweets. Interesting. Does she know something is about to go down?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I think that the Clinton campaign is an instance of where some simple changes of visual style would instil greater confidence in the candidate.

    First, Hillary should lose the ridiculous 1970s glamorous granny trouser suit. Secondly, she should stop dancing onto the podium. Thirdly, she should drop that silly pretence of greeting a friend of hers in the audience. We all know there is no-one there.

    Hillary should appear in a dingified, statesmanlike dress and wear a serious expression to match.

    A bit of dignitas and gravitas would go a long way.

    Trump may be a lot of things, but at least he has reasonable campaign dress sense.

    Trump wears a dark suit, a white shirt and a solid red or blue tie to everything. It is pure sexism to criticise Hillarys dress sense and praise Trumps. He dresses like about 100,000,000 men do every day.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,589 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Mr.Micro wrote:
    I hope you are right. He is truly a nightmare and unleashing him on the world would have disasterous consequences for us all, IMO.


    Good point, but she's not far behind him, a truly dreadful campaign


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Michelle Obama has scrubbed her Twitter account of any Hillary tweets. Interesting. Does she know something is about to go down?

    It is the same with Facebook, strange.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories around these parts. The strange thing is when it comes to Hillary's emails it is dismissed by some, but Trump has a secure connection to Russia, maybe he does but some who dismiss the emails choose to believe that, people here do not apply the same standards when it comes to conspiracy to both Clinton and Trump.
    It is believe the conspiracy that suits which affects credibility of arguments.

    Some people do.

    But you're right, critical thinking died at some point in this election.

    Whatever pushes your agenda is solid cast iron fact. I think the Trump camp have been more guilty of embracing falsities but both sides are guilty. Saying 'a server' exists is like saying 'a bunch of e-mails' exist.

    But then the loons on one side say 'but the FBI wouldn't go out on a limb unless there was a smoking gun in there - she's going to jail!!!!' and the loons on the other day 'the server is the secret communication to Putin'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It is the same with Facebook, strange.

    The Obamas are getting ready for the transition - in theory that FLOTUS account could belong to Melania Trump come inauguration day. Stuff which is not deleted from @FLOTUS will be archived - no need for campaign chatter to be archived, they are looking at legacies. Michelle Obama will want the archived material to be about her priorities, not Hillary.

    When Hillary wins, there won't be a FLOTUS, so the account will die.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    gosplan wrote: »
    Some people do.

    But you're right, critical thinking died at some point in this election.

    Whatever pushes your agenda is solid cast iron fact. I think the Trump camp have been more guilty of embracing falsities but both sides are guilty. Saying 'a server' exists is like saying 'a bunch of e-mails' exist.

    But then the loons on one side say 'but the FBI wouldn't go out on a limb unless there was a smoking gun in there - she's going to jail!!!!' and the loons on the other day 'the server is the secret communication to Putin'.


    At the moment there is no media really pushing the Trump is Russia's candidate.
    There is something a bit more concrete on Hillary's emails.

    It really is a just a big mess the USA have gotten themselves into and that is not a conspiracy.
    If it was a TV program on Sky Atlantic or Netflix, before this election, one would say 'yeah right' good entertainment but it is not the real world.
    Things are so crazy now, that it probably helps feed conspiracy theories as the unbelievable is reality and then one thinks 'what else could be reality rather than fiction,'


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,108 ✭✭✭Christy42


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories around these parts. The strange thing is when it comes to Hillary's emails it is dismissed by some, but Trump has a secure connection to Russia, maybe he does but some who dismiss the emails choose to believe that, people here do not apply the same standards when it comes to conspiracy to both Clinton and Trump.
    It is believe the conspiracy that suits which affects credibility of arguments.

    You are right that it should not be taken as fact (which the original article does explicitly stated btw but posters have left out).

    You seemed very sure that those emails weren't a conspiracy theory a day or two ago though...


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