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Motorway speed limits in Ireland

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    But sure whats that got to do with anything?? Male/Female/Age...it makes no difference. I drive a 2L car, will be changing to a 3L in the new year. I'll just choose to drive at a safe comfortable speed.

    I mistook you for an ould wan from your posting style that's all. Although you could be a Gaybo or Ray D'Arcy wannabe. :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭Brian Scan


    I just noticed in the post that dr.fuzz quoted.... Ginger83 is a MAN???? Not an ould wan?
    I mistook you for an ould wan from your posting style that's all. Although you could be a Gaybo or Ray D'Arcy wannabe. :eek:

    Brilliant posts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Brian Scan wrote: »
    Brilliant posts.

    wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    Would you not agree?

    Nope. You will damage the engine if you rev it at the limit or over for prolonged periods of time, but not a chance at 120. And most cars will rev between 2k and max 4k rev at 120. No chance of damage. I've done 160 km/h in a Smart with no issue. That's a 600 cc engine :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    I mistook you for an ould wan from your posting style that's all. Although you could be a Gaybo or Ray D'Arcy wannabe. :eek:

    Because i choose to drive at a speed i believe to be safe?
    Over 20% of this poll would be happy to see a limit of 160km/hr+ (100mph+), there'd be some mess on our roads if this happened.

    Some genius' can't even adhere to lane rules on the m50 @ 100km/hr, drivers are not educated enough nor have we the road network for these speeds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    Nope. You will damage the engine if you rev it at the limit or over for prolonged periods of time, but not a chance at 120. And most cars will rev between 2k and max 4k rev at 120. No chance of damage. I've done 160 km/h in a Smart with no issue. That's a 600 cc engine :D

    And would you state 160km/hr is safe in a smart car?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    And would you state 160km/hr is safe in a smart car?

    Absolutely, as long as you don't crash it, but that goes for any car at that speed. I wasn't any safer in the Fiat at 220...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    Absolutely, as long as you don't crash it, but that goes for any car at that speed. I wasn't any safer in the Fiat at 220...

    :D or catch a gust of wind


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,575 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    :D or catch a gust of wind

    That's more of a concern in the Transit at present ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,788 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Raise to 150 km/h
    Nope. You will damage the engine if you rev it at the limit or over for prolonged periods of time, but not a chance at 120. And most cars will rev between 2k and max 4k rev at 120. No chance of damage. I've done 160 km/h in a Smart with no issue. That's a 600 cc engine :D
    This is more of people being stuck on stats and engineering from the 1950s. A modern engine isn't going to bat an eyelid at just about any speed it can mange. They limit them so they can't damage themselves. My car has a 1.6HDi engine and there's videos of people getting 200bhp+ (stock is 90bhp)out of them with some tuning and not changing any parts. Now that probably would damage the engine but it goes to show how under stressed modern engines are.

    The slow = safe mentality in this country infuriates me. I encounter slow pokes on rural roads every day and their just not safe, they assume because they're going slow they can now pay more attention to what's happening in the fields they're passing and wobble all over the road, jam on brakes when a car comes towards them, won't over take tractors, wait at junctions for a car to come along then pull out in front of them and then stop in the middle of the road when they actually notice the car coming.

    If anything untowards happens their clueless and end up in a ditch. They're incompetent and shouldn't be allowed near a car.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    Oh man you talk some level of drivel.

    Explain? What do you think would happen if say the m50 had no speed limit?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    ScumLord wrote: »
    This is more of people being stuck on stats and engineering from the 1950s. A modern engine isn't going to bat an eyelid at just about any speed it can mange. They limit them so they can't damage themselves. My car has a 1.6HDi engine and there's videos of people getting 200bhp+ (stock is 90bhp)out of them with some tuning and not changing any parts. Now that probably would damage the engine but it goes to show how under stressed modern engines are.

    The slow = safe mentality in this country infuriates me. I encounter slow pokes on rural roads every day and their just not safe, they assume because they're going slow they can now pay more attention to what's happening in the fields they're passing and wobble all over the road, jam on brakes when a car comes towards them, won't over take tractors, wait at junctions for a car to come along then pull out in front of them and then stop in the middle of the road when they actually notice the car coming.

    If anything untowards happens their clueless and end up in a ditch. They're incompetent and shouldn't be allowed near a car.

    I presume that would be the older generation. Most of who never did a driving test.

    But i wouldn't call doing 100km/hr in a 120km/hr zone going slow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,915 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    Explain? What do you think would happen if say the m50 had no speed limit?

    The M50's an urban motorway so the speed limit couldn't be increased and wouldn't be included in a national motorway speed limit increase.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    dfeo wrote: »
    After reading the thread about the lad who pretended to be driving 151 km/h without insurance and seeing the outrage from people about how "fast" he was going, I thought we could have a reasoned debate on increasing Ireland's Motorway speed limit. This doesn't seem to have been done in a while.

    Ireland's motorways are among the newest in Europe. We really only began to get a proper motorway network in the noughties (I began driving in 2009). Our motorways are new, well-surfaced, have excellent drainage and are in excellent condition.

    I've been on motorways in Portugal, Spain, France, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, the UK, Hungary, Slovakia and Austria. Ireland's motorways are even better than some of the aforementioned countries, believe it or not!

    It is my opinion that you can be "speeding" without breaking the speed limit and you can break the speed limit without "speeding".

    Allow me to elaborate. In the former situation, imagine a small country road which passes by a rural school, the speed limit on the road is 80 km/h. If I drive at that speed past the school at 2.30 in the afternoon, I'm not breaking the speed limit, but it may be considered "speeding".

    In the latter situation, there could be a stretch of a perfectly-good N-Road, where the speed limit drops arbitrarily from 100 km/h to 60 km/h. If I continue on at 100 km/h and go with the flow of everyone else, I'm not "speeding" but I am breaking the speed limit.

    By the logic of the government, if you don't follow the posted speed limit, you are speeding. You can drive 100 km/h on the M50 and weave in and out of traffic in 5 inches of snow with driving sleet and visibility of only a few metres, but, hey .... you're under the limit, so you're grand ..... but if you dare do 121 km/h on a dry, open motorway, you'd better hand over your license.

    It is my opinion as well, that a mismatch in speed also causes disturbances. Unless you are limited to a certain speed or there is a good reason not to, there is no reason why you shouldn't be travelling at 120 km/h.

    It is my opinion, that if certain transgressions were eliminated from our roads, such as poor merging and bad lane discipline, our speed limits could be subject to a modest increase.
    Your in your infancy of driving and you want to increase the speed limits.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Commotion Ocean


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    Explain? What do you think would happen if say the m50 had no speed limit?

    It'd still be the same bumper-to-bumper mess we have now with idiots lane hogging left, right and centre.

    The M50 is an example of a road that needs variable limits. A limit of 60 km/h in the morning would probably achieve great average speeds overall and thus shorter journey times by virtue.

    However, the M50 could have its limit removed at night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    dfeo wrote: »
    If any of those concern you, then get off the motorway.

    Thats some statement to make for someone who has all of 7 years experience on the road! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Your in your infancy of driving and you want to increase the speed limits.

    Over 20% want 160km/hr+, there's one thing driving at that speed, its another thing altogether controlling a vehicle at that speed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    dfeo wrote: »
    It'd still be the same bumper-to-bumper mess we have now with idiots lane hogging left, right and centre.

    The M50 is an example of a road that needs variable limits. A limit of 60 km/h in the morning would probably achieve great average speeds overall and thus shorter journey times by virtue.

    However, the M50 could have its limit removed at night.

    I do agree with you there but no limit would be crazy even at night.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    Thats some statement to make for someone who has all of 7 years experience on the road! :rolleyes:
    Medical degrees can take as little as 5 years and you wouldn't question a graduate doctor's abilities, would you?
    You have no idea what experience the poster has so get off your high horse!

    What has made you such a qualified expert in driving?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    kbannon wrote: »
    Medical degrees can take as little as 5 years and you wouldn't question a graduate doctor's abilities, would you?
    You have no idea what experience the poster has so get off your high horse!

    What has made you such a qualified expert in driving?

    I never claimed to be an expert but its a bit rude to order people off a motorway.

    A previous poster wished for permission to ram cars out of the way.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Raise to 150 km/h
    Ginger83 wrote: »
    I never claimed to be an expert but its a bit rude to order people off a motorway.

    A previous poster wished for permission to ram cars out of the way.

    Not half as rude as someone driving in the overtaking lane well below the limit or forcing busses and lorrys to pass them because they are going far too slow and thus holding the whole show up for someone.

    That guys 7 years could be more miles in more conditions than someone with 70 years, you don't know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    Jayop wrote: »
    Not half as rude as someone driving in the overtaking lane well below the limit or forcing busses and lorrys to pass them because they are going far too slow and thus holding the whole show up for someone.

    That guys 7 years could be more miles in more conditions than someone with 70 years, you don't know.

    I agree people hold up the overtaking lane thinking they are in the fast lane but nobody forces anyone to overtake them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    Raise to 150 km/h
    Dempsey wrote: »
    I'm guessing the reason why the gardai havent blitzed the m50, because they should, is that there is very few safe places to pull people into to issue the tickets and its a legitimate concern
    No need for that. Gather photo/video evidence, issue summonses, get people into court and fined/off the road.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Raise to 150 km/h
    Ginger83 wrote: »
    I agree people hold up the overtaking lane thinking they are in the fast lane but nobody forces anyone to overtake them.

    If someone is slowing up a bus or lorry, both of whom drive to a schedule then they are of course forcing them to pass, thus holding up everyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,512 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Raise to 150 km/h
    Jayop wrote: »
    If someone is slowing up a bus or lorry, both of whom drive to a schedule then they are of course forcing them to pass, thus holding up everyone else.

    It's 15 minutes ago. It's busy, it's dark and I'm coming off the motorway so signal and get in lane in advance as I'm in a line of traffic overtaking another line of traffic approaching the exit. Not easy as it's all bunched up and doing about 90-100 km/h

    And why? The dawdling tool in an Avensis at the head of the line who refuses to speed up with no reason not to. Of course I could have put the foot down and just cut them off but these oblivious dawdling idiots are a hazard and shouldn't be on the road! :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    Jayop wrote: »
    If someone is slowing up a bus or lorry, both of whom drive to a schedule then they are of course forcing them to pass, thus holding up everyone else.

    Nobody is holding anyone up by driving in the left hand lane of a motorway when there is an overtaking lane. No rules of the roads being broken either


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Decrease them to 110 km/h
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    It's 15 minutes ago. It's busy, it's dark and I'm coming off the motorway so signal and get in lane in advance as I'm in a line of traffic overtaking another line of traffic approaching the exit. Not easy as it's all bunched up and doing about 90-100 km/h

    And why? The dawdling tool in an Avensis at the head of the line who refuses to speed up with no reason not to. Of course I could have put the foot down and just cut them off but these oblivious dawdling idiots are a hazard and shouldn't be on the road! :mad:

    Have you the same attitude if the leading vehicle is a truck limited to 90km/hr.
    Adjust your speed and join the lane i good time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,512 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Raise to 150 km/h
    Ginger83 wrote: »
    Have you the same attitude if the leading vehicle is a truck limited to 90km/hr.
    Adjust your speed and join the lane i good time.

    Read the post properly.. the traffic in both lanes was unnecessarily heavy because more cars were forced to overtake - or wait to overtake - the idiot at the head of the line who was dawdling along completely ignorant of the situation around them. This results in congestion, lane-switching and frequent braking and makes it so that you have to add to this by asking someone to slow down still further to let you in etc...

    This is completely different to a HGV which is limited by law. This situation was purely the result of a driver who is incapable/incompetent and shouldn't be on the road.

    If you can't/won't do 120 km/h when there's no other reason not to, then you have no business on a motorway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    Nobody is holding anyone up by driving in the left hand lane of a motorway when there is an overtaking lane. No rules of the roads being broken either

    Quite remarkable after god knows how many posts you still deem it acceptable to drive 10kph lower than HGVs and think it has no knock on effects. Surely you're more intelligent than this or you're just being deliberately obnoxious.

    Everyone would hold you in a much higher regard if you even admitted that action alone was a mistake and you have learnt from this thread. I'd see you as a bigger person if you just said " you know what, from now on i'll try and keep at 95kph or higher, 80 is just too low".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,512 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Raise to 150 km/h
    Quite remarkable after god knows how many posts you still deem it acceptable to drive 10kph lower than HGVs and think it has no knock on effects. Surely you're more intelligent than this or you're just being deliberately obnoxious.

    Everyone would hold you in a much higher regard if you even admitted that action alone was a mistake and you have learnt from this thread. I'd see you as a bigger person if you just said " you know what, from now on i'll try and keep at 95kph or higher, 80 is just too low".

    The issue is this poster (like others of their kind) genuinely believe that they're in the right purely because they aren't "speeding"

    Such drivers are actually more dangerous IMO because they're not situationally aware and don't adapt their driving to the circumstances that present themselves, resulting in a more dangerous environment for not just themselves but the other motorists who have to share the road with them.


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