Poppy Middle Class Death Cult

drumaneen · 04-11-2016 07:33PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The purpose of the poppy is not to remember the great war, the purpose is to remember those who fell in that war. a significant number of which were irish. hopefully i can get my hands on one of the nice enamel. and i'm not middle class. neither were most of the soldiers who died. the OP is one of the biggest loads of nonsense i've seen on boards. and thats a pretty low bar.

Do you mean these nice enamel ones?
http://www.rbl-limerick.webs.com

drumaneen · 04-11-2016 07:45PM

Nonsense.
Read a little
http://www.legion.org/troops/216371/legion-family-flower-remembrance
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15637074

sondagefaux · 04-11-2016 07:47PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

HensVassal wrote: »

Why not say they were "killed" (most gruesomely) instead of "they fell".

Sugarcoating unpleasant things is a dangeroues enterprise.

Do you honestly think that otherwise people will think that thousands of soldiers stumbled and grazed their knees a bit? (edit) slightly silly hair splitting.

Anyway, its to remember all those who died. Anyone has a problem with that, you (the plural you) are a cranky, cantankerous sod only out for a troll. Bit of respect or a clip round the ear, laddie!

It isn't actually. And the Royal British Legion is explicit about that.

If you genuinely want to remember all those who died, and if you genuinely want to support the original spirit of the poppy movement, which was an anti-war movement, you can wear a white poppy.

We differ from the Royal British Legion, who produce Red Poppies. The Legion says that Red Poppies are to remember only British armed forces and those who fought alongside them.

drumaneen · 04-11-2016 07:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah, it's not. It has been shown numerous times that the British red poppy is explicitly only to remember those who fought for the British Empire/Commonwealth/State. It's a 100% tribal symbol of the most objectionable, jingoistic sort.

Absolute nonsense.
Read a little
http://www.legion.org/troops/216371/...er-remembrance
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15637074

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-11-2016 07:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nah, it's not. It has been shown numerous times that the British red poppy is explicitly only to remember those who fought for the British Empire/Commonwealth/State. It's a 100% tribal symbol of the most objectionable, jingoistic sort.

The Brits are entitled to remember those who died. I wouldn't expect them to commemorate the Germans who fell. The Germans do that. The Irish might mourn their own,if they didn't get bighed down in the usual "bloody west Brit" and "800 years!" sh*te. Some people in Ireland are simply unable to let go of something that happened 100 years before they were born (in fact they shout the loudest). You don't find this sh*t on the continent. I am good friends with Dutch and French people, do you think they rub WWII in.my face? Some people ought to drag their knuckles into the 21st century.

sondagefaux · 04-11-2016 07:52PM

drumaneen wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah, it's not. It has been shown numerous times that the British red poppy is explicitly only to remember those who fought for the British Empire/Commonwealth/State. It's a 100% tribal symbol of the most objectionable, jingoistic sort.

Absolute nonsense.
Read a little
http://www.legion.org/troops/216371/...er-remembrance
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15637074

Why don't you read a little:

[font=futura-pt, arial, sans-serif]WHAT WE REMEMBER[/font]

[font=futura-pt, arial, sans-serif]The Legion advocates a specific type of Remembrance connected to the British Armed Forces, those who were killed, those who fought with them and alongside them.[/font]

[font=futura-pt, arial, sans-serif]

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/remembrance/what-we-remember/[/font]

weldoninhio · 04-11-2016 07:54PM

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

I wouldn't, nor would most people I know.

You must not be very educated about the British Army and it's long, long list of dishonour and war crimes then.

Perhaps educate yourself about them and come back to us.

Edit: Some light reading for you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

VladamirP · 04-11-2016 08:07PM

I only read the first post, so ignore my ignorance, but you are right, all this wearing poppies, lillies, bollox is bigging war up as something to be admired, when it's not, never has war ever really killed the bast@rds that started it or got involved in it, it's for us peasants to fight for our over lords, yea I'm going to die for the kunt that was central for me getting nowhere in life, by his/her control's over my life.

sarcasm sometimes

A Little Pony · 04-11-2016 08:07PM

I wear mine to remember my ancestors who went over the troop and died for God and Ulster as they saw it. RIP warriors.

VladamirP · 04-11-2016 08:19PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I wear mine to remember my ancestors who went over the troop and died for God and Ulster as they saw it. RIP warriors.

well they died in vain, sorry.

VladamirP · 04-11-2016 08:21PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I wear mine to remember my ancestors who went over the troop and died for God and Ulster as they saw it. RIP warriors.

your ansestors were peasants, like mine

davycc · 04-11-2016 08:22PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I wear mine to remember my ancestors who went over the troop and died for God and Ulster as they saw it. RIP warriors.

I believe you Keith.! Whatever you say

sondagefaux · 04-11-2016 08:23PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah, it's not. It has been shown numerous times that the British red poppy is explicitly only to remember those who fought for the British Empire/Commonwealth/State. It's a 100% tribal symbol of the most objectionable, jingoistic sort.

The Brits are entitled to remember those who died. I wouldn't expect them to commemorate the Germans who fell. The Germans do that. The Irish might mourn their own,if they didn't get bighed down in the usual "bloody west Brit" and "800 years!" sh*te. Some people in Ireland are simply unable to let go of something that happened 100 years before they were born (in fact they shout the loudest). You don't find this sh*t on the continent. I am good friends with Dutch and French people, do you think they rub WWII in.my face? Some people ought to drag their knuckles into the 21st century.

Are parts of the Netherlands or France still ruled by Germany?

Dick phelan · 04-11-2016 08:31PM

my problem is British people are mostly proud of their colonial history and have never really acknowledged it for what it really was, they still have a view of romanticism about it which the poppy symbolizes perfectly, i'v never met a German person who thought Hitler was a great fella or met someone from Belgium who was proud of what they did in the Congo. Britain has never acknowledged the atrocities they have committed and the evil of colonialism there proud of it and frankly i find that disgusting.

tipptom · 04-11-2016 08:44PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I'm English and live in England

For research purposes I just took a dump.

The windows are all now open and I'm thinking of burning the house down and starting a new.

Back on topic I have bought my poppy and will wear it and couldn't give a tiny shiney sh/te what anyone else thinks about that.

Nobody gives a shiney sh*t where you stick your poppy as long as you and your cohorts stop trying to harasses people to give money for poppys to your hard up terrorists soldiers post WW2.

Get your government to look after them for doing their war crimes.

tipptom · 04-11-2016 08:45PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I wear mine to remember my ancestors who went over the troop and died for God and Ulster as they saw it. RIP warriors.

Brilliant,thanks Keith,you sound like Borat.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-11-2016 08:48PM

tipptom wrote: »

[/B] Nobody gives a shiney sh*t where you stick your poppy as long as you and your cohorts stop trying to harasses people to give money for poppys to your hard up terrorists soldiers post WW2.

Get your government to look after them for doing their war crimes.

Was in the town centre today, the 2 gentlemen selling the poppies who were both well into their 80's didn't seem to be harassing anyone and indeed the many people around their stall were having a great chat with them. Maybe you could show me proof of poppy sellers "harrassing" people into buying them?

ohnonotgmail · 04-11-2016 08:50PM

drumaneen wrote: »

Do you mean these nice enamel ones?
http://www.rbl-limerick.webs.com

cheers. they look quality

Junkyard Tom · 04-11-2016 09:07PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

cheers. they look quality

At least it appears to specifically commemorate Irish people who died in WWI with the shamrock and date included. I'd like to think they make sure any money raised doesn't go to some of those who got away with murdering Irish people in the north.

A Little Pony · 04-11-2016 10:25PM

tipptom wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

I wear mine to remember my ancestors who went over the troop and died for God and Ulster as they saw it. RIP warriors.

Brilliant,thanks Keith,you sound like Borat.

Eh?

I think this idea that thousands of people are on the street pressuring/harassing people to buy poppies is a myth. Any time I have saw them they are just normal nice people promoting a good cause.

A Little Pony · 04-11-2016 10:29PM

sondagefaux wrote: »

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah, it's not. It has been shown numerous times that the British red poppy is explicitly only to remember those who fought for the British Empire/Commonwealth/State. It's a 100% tribal symbol of the most objectionable, jingoistic sort.

The Brits are entitled to remember those who died. I wouldn't expect them to commemorate the Germans who fell. The Germans do that. The Irish might mourn their own,if they didn't get bighed down in the usual "bloody west Brit" and "800 years!" sh*te. Some people in Ireland are simply unable to let go of something that happened 100 years before they were born (in fact they shout the loudest). You don't find this sh*t on the continent. I am good friends with Dutch and French people, do you think they rub WWII in.my face? Some people ought to drag their knuckles into the 21st century.

Are parts of the Netherlands or France still ruled by Germany?

The people of Northern Ireland have the choice if they want to be within the UK though and that is the current situation.

steddyeddy · 04-11-2016 11:13PM

Is there a symbol of remembrance that doesn't donate money to the British army?

midnight city · 04-11-2016 11:19PM

Has anyone appeared on a BBC panel over the last week without a poppy. Surely that's not right. Its not supposed to be an obligation to wear one it is supposed to be a free choice.

LordSutch · 04-11-2016 11:24PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Is there a symbol of remembrance that doesn't donate money to the British army?

The Easter Lily?

04-11-2016 11:46PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Anyway, its to remember all those who died.

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah, it's not. It has been shown numerous times that the British red poppy is explicitly only to remember those who fought for the British Empire/Commonwealth/State. It's a 100% tribal symbol of the most objectionable, jingoistic sort.

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The Brits are entitled to remember those who died. I wouldn't expect them to commemorate the Germans who fell. The Germans do that...

Er, forgive me for asking the obvious then: why did you claim the British poppy "remembers all those who died" in the first place?

04-11-2016 11:50PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Some people in Ireland are simply unable to let go of something that happened 100 years before they were born (in fact they shout the loudest). You don't find this sh*t on the continent. I am good friends with Dutch and French people, do you think they rub WWII in.my face? Some people ought to drag their knuckles into the 21st century.

I would be absolutely certain they would if your country was still occupying part of their country, and had been financing and defending a little herrenvolk state there until 1972, followed by a colonial state engaged in a dirty war against the natives which involved an enormous plethora of human rights abuses from torture to discrimination to collusion in a wide range of murders right up until 1998. That you cannot even see how specious your comparison is here is worrying.

tipptom · 04-11-2016 11:51PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Was in the town centre today, the 2 gentlemen selling the poppies who were both well into their 80's didn't seem to be harassing anyone and indeed the many people around their stall were having a great chat with them. Maybe you could show me proof of poppy sellers "harrassing" people into buying them?

Cue James Mclean,isnt it disgraceful that he cant be bullied in to be a poster boy to sell poppies to aid the terrorists that shot his relatives in his own country.

A Little Pony · 04-11-2016 11:54PM

I would agree with Mclean stance as he is coming at it from a personal experience due to his people murdered during Bloody Sunday, I would feel the same regarding the Easter Lilly due to the PIRA terror campaign. If he doesn't want to wear it, so bloody what, it is his choice.

tipptom · 04-11-2016 11:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I would be absolutely certain they would if your country was still occupying part of their country, and had been financing and defending a little herrenvolk state there until 1972, followed by a colonial state engaged in a dirty war against the natives which involved an enormous plethora of human rights abuses from torture to discrimination to collusion in a wide range of murders right up until 1998. That you cannot even see how specious your comparison is here is worrying.

Even his hero Jeremy Clarkson could see that!!

Skommando · 04-11-2016 11:58PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

At least it appears to specifically commemorate Irish people who died in WWI with the shamrock and date included. I'd like to think they make sure any money raised doesn't go to some of those who got away with murdering Irish people in the north.

as opposed to the Irish people who got away with murdering women and kids out shopping ?

When are people going to grow up with it comes to little badges and flegs and so called sides ?

as if lives of ordinary human beings living in the areas called Ireland / Britian are of different value

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