Bord Na Móna Equipment

ganmo · 14-07-2016 10:41pm

timple23 wrote: »

i know its probably the last thing you'd think of looking at some of the tractors but would they have tax books? and what would be required to get a tractor taxed? i presume they don't have a reg plate?

They should all have the tax book but on some of the lots it says book to follow so I assume they're getting new books

Never wrestle with pigs · 14-07-2016 10:47pm

I was in charge of getting all their vans/jeeps serviced/fixed. Let's just say if the tractors are treated twice as good as the vans/jeeps they would still be lucky to be going at all.

twin_beacon · 15-07-2016 9:22am

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

I was in charge of getting all their vans/jeeps serviced/fixed. Let's just say if the tractors are treated twice as good as the vans/jeeps they would still be lucky to be going at all.

yep, Ive seen some crazy things in my time on the bord. I've seen countless men pull out stuck tractors with diggers, by using the tracks. Of course the tracking motors didnt last too ling when this kept happening. Ive also seen an idiot rev the tractor up to the 540 mark for the pto, and then engage the pto, he wondered why he kept breaking shear pins......

blue5000 · 15-07-2016 12:13pm

I'd say some of them lads would test a fiat 110-90's 'bomb proof' reputation alright, might have to buy two to make one.

X6.430macman · 15-07-2016 8:02pm

jaymla627 wrote:

The saying do as I say not as I do would be bord na mona's template, have first hand expirence dealing with them and it's a proper glorified semi - state can't get fired quango..... Wouldn't be unknown for tractors to get reddend on a Fri morning so lads could clock of early on full pay of course , and maybe pull another few days while the "mechanics/fitters" their try to fix it which usually results in a botched attempt and it having to go back to main dealers to sort out the mess

Haha sounds like some operation.

darragh_haven · 15-07-2016 10:40pm

I used to go up to my cousins in offally every summer for 2 weeks. Inevitably we'd end up in the bog as the dad worked in Bord na Mona. It was an absolute joke shop even back then. Donkeys driving machines and no-one giving a fcuk about anything only what time could slip off for pints.
I can imagine what state the gear is in

patsy_mccabe · 15-07-2016 11:05pm

'Cut your way in, weld your way out' , wasn't that the great saying from Bord Na Mona.

EJ88 · 16-07-2016 3:47pm

I'm wondering what are they replacing all this machinery with, if anything.

jaymla627 · 16-07-2016 4:22pm

EJ88 wrote: »

I'm wondering what are they replacing all this machinery with, if anything.

Leasing in all tractors now for the season that they need on top of yokes they have themselves that are still driving haha, don't think they have purchased any new tractors for over three years, aren't the bogs and production of peat for fuel/power stations being shut down gradually over the next decade with the end result being total closure of bogs for fuel by bnm

kevthegaff · 16-07-2016 6:38pm

Well lads after trip to bord na gon sale, friend saw a 1580 on dd. Went down and drove it, seemed very nice, brakes, clutch, gears all good. Body work v good for its age. Anyway long story cut short, brought it back Tues evening and when unloaded didn't get 200 yrds down the road. Pulled it home, up till 1 bleeding it to no avail, anyway air locked in the piston and got it up and running. Filled it with diesel, nxt thing diesel everywhere, fu Cher had jammed overflow down engine. So fixed this and nxt thing filled rad and water gurgling. Thought might be lazy thermo so yoked up temperature gauge which was unplugged!! Took it for a spin and temp gauge in the red and rad roasting. Rang dealer a lad and he said head gasket gone, cancelled cheque immediately but Luckily it eventually cancelled 2 days later. The dirty c*nt disconnected the gauge, drained out diesel, disconnected overflow to bide time for cheque to clear. He had the cheque in first thing that morning. Rang the b $$stard and he denied saying drive it on to f $$k it be the finest. He doesn't know the cheque has cancelled :-) so it be arriving in his yard Monday evening! Wouldn't mind if he had told me the prob and dropped the price I might have dealt, but he was too greedy. Think I should have bought at the bog!!

liam7831 · 16-07-2016 7:25pm

kevthegaff wrote: »

Well lads after trip to bord na gon sale, friend saw a 1580 on dd. Went down and drove it, seemed very nice, brakes, clutch, gears all good. Body work v good for its age. Anyway long story cut short, brought it back Tues evening and when unloaded didn't get 200 yrds down the road. Pulled it home, up till 1 bleeding it to no avail, anyway air locked in the piston and got it up and running. Filled it with diesel, nxt thing diesel everywhere, fu Cher had jammed overflow down engine. So fixed this and nxt thing filled rad and water gurgling. Thought might be lazy thermo so yoked up temperature gauge which was unplugged!! Took it for a spin and temp gauge in the red and rad roasting. Rang dealer a lad and he said head gasket gone, cancelled cheque immediately but Luckily it eventually cancelled 2 days later. The dirty c*nt disconnected the gauge, drained out diesel, disconnected overflow to bide time for cheque to clear. He had the cheque in first thing that morning. Rang the b $$stard and he denied saying drive it on to f $$k it be the finest. He doesn't know the cheque has cancelled :-) so it be arriving in his yard Monday evening! Wouldn't mind if he had told me the prob and dropped the price I might have dealt, but he was too greedy. Think I should have bought at the bog!!

Did you test drive it ? Sounds like a right heap

twin_beacon · 16-07-2016 7:27pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

Leasing in all tractors now for the season that they need on top of yokes they have themselves that are still driving haha, don't think they have purchased any new tractors for over three years, aren't the bogs and production of peat for fuel/power stations being shut down gradually over the next decade with the end result being total closure of bogs for fuel by bnm

I think 2009 was the last year the leased New Hollands, in 2010 they bought a new fleet of John Deere 6830s, and smaller 70hp John Deeres, cant remember the model numbers. The machines they got were very basic. The 6830 was not as good in the bog as the Nh 8360 or TM140. The John Deeres grilles would get clogged with dust very easily, and would over heat if they were not cleared.

kevthegaff wrote: »

Well lads after trip to bord na gon sale, friend saw a 1580 on dd. Went down and drove it, seemed very nice, brakes, clutch, gears all good. Body work v good for its age. Anyway long story cut short, brought it back Tues evening and when unloaded didn't get 200 yrds down the road. Pulled it home, up till 1 bleeding it to no avail, anyway air locked in the piston and got it up and running. Filled it with diesel, nxt thing diesel everywhere, fu Cher had jammed overflow down engine. So fixed this and nxt thing filled rad and water gurgling. Thought might be lazy thermo so yoked up temperature gauge which was unplugged!! Took it for a spin and temp gauge in the red and rad roasting. Rang dealer a lad and he said head gasket gone, cancelled cheque immediately but Luckily it eventually cancelled 2 days later. The dirty c*nt disconnected the gauge, drained out diesel, disconnected overflow to bide time for cheque to clear. He had the cheque in first thing that morning. Rang the b $$stard and he denied saying drive it on to f $$k it be the finest. He doesn't know the cheque has cancelled :-) so it be arriving in his yard Monday evening! Wouldn't mind if he had told me the prob and dropped the price I might have dealt, but he was too greedy. Think I should have bought at the bog!!

jesus, what a pr1ck. lucky ye didn't pay cash!

GERMAN ROCKS · 16-07-2016 9:01pm

kevthegaff wrote: »

Well lads after trip to bord na gon sale, friend saw a 1580 on dd. Went down and drove it, seemed very nice, brakes, clutch, gears all good. Body work v good for its age. Anyway long story cut short, brought it back Tues evening and when unloaded didn't get 200 yrds down the road. Pulled it home, up till 1 bleeding it to no avail, anyway air locked in the piston and got it up and running. Filled it with diesel, nxt thing diesel everywhere, fu Cher had jammed overflow down engine. So fixed this and nxt thing filled rad and water gurgling. Thought might be lazy thermo so yoked up temperature gauge which was unplugged!! Took it for a spin and temp gauge in the red and rad roasting. Rang dealer a lad and he said head gasket gone, cancelled cheque immediately but Luckily it eventually cancelled 2 days later. The dirty c*nt disconnected the gauge, drained out diesel, disconnected overflow to bide time for cheque to clear. He had the cheque in first thing that morning. Rang the b $$stard and he denied saying drive it on to f $$k it be the finest. He doesn't know the cheque has cancelled :-) so it be arriving in his yard Monday evening! Wouldn't mind if he had told me the prob and dropped the price I might have dealt, but he was too greedy. Think I should have bought at the bog!!

put up a few pictures of her before you return it just to see the bodywork

X6.430macman · 16-07-2016 9:25pm

twin_beacon wrote:

I think 2009 was the last year the leased New Hollands, in 2010 they bought a new fleet of John Deere 6830s, and smaller 70hp John Deeres, cant remember the model numbers. The machines they got were very basic. The 6830 was not as good in the bog as the Nh 8360 or TM140. The John Deeres grilles would get clogged with dust very easily, and would over heat if they were not cleared.

5070m I think

kevthegaff · 16-07-2016 9:26pm

GERMAN ROCKS wrote:

put up a few pictures of her before you return it just to see the bodywork

Bodywork good, driving as good as my 99 110-90, good power everything fine bar overheating. For its age in good nick also rim weights and full set on front ideal for my ground. Bast^Rd wasting my feck in time..

Never wrestle with pigs · 16-07-2016 10:13pm

You should redden the thing so sumone else doesn't get nabbed. A proper pr!ck to try burn a lad like that.

kevthegaff · 16-07-2016 10:14pm

Would the mods change this thread to private/auction machinery purchases?

f140 · 16-07-2016 11:05pm

isn't there a lot to be said for the cheque book. With cash and card its too late and you re stuck witht them item with these chancers.

What money did you pay for it? they would be some bus to pull id say. Would pull all before them.

greysides · 17-07-2016 2:28am

kevthegaff wrote: »

Would the mods change this thread to private/auction machinery purchases?

Change the thread title? Not when you're not the OP.

If you give an idea of what posts should be included, I'll copy them to a new thread with your choice of title.

rangler1 · 17-07-2016 7:03am

jaymla627 wrote: »

The saying do as I say not as I do would be bord na mona's template, have first hand expirence dealing with them and it's a proper glorified semi - state can't get fired quango.....
Wouldn't be unknown for tractors to get reddend on a Fri morning so lads could clock of early on full pay of course , and maybe pull another few days while the "mechanics/fitters" their try to fix it which usually results in a botched attempt and it having to go back to main dealers to sort out the mess

Really annoys me to see self employeds hard earned tax money going n such wilful waste......... wonder is the HSEs hospitals waiting lists due to similar wilful waste/inefficencies or every other public service either
A friend was brought in to drive a silage harvester for the summer on the bord na mona farm, he wasn't allowed top up his tractor with oil and often had to wait hours for a fitter to come and do it, so the whole crew were idle as well

jaymla627 · 17-07-2016 9:50am

rangler1 wrote: »

Really annoys me to see self employeds hard earned tax money going n such wilful waste......... wonder is the HSEs hospitals waiting lists due to similar wilful waste/inefficencies or every other public service either
A friend was brought in to drive a silage harvester for the summer on the bord na mona farm, he wasn't allowed top up his tractor with oil and often had to wait hours for a fitter to come and do it, so the whole crew were idle as well

Hse is one of the best funded health services in the world per person in terms of money spent per citizen so yes its fair to come to that conclusion, have seen invoices for parts to bord na mona where the seller has a 200-300% mark - up its crazy the inefficiencies that exist in public sector spending but doubt that will change anytime soon.
Theirs simply no motivation/stick to beat public sector employees with to be more efficent/less wasteful and provide better value for money, given the compo culture that exists in Ireland even if you tried to change this you would be hit with a massive amount of unfair dismissal claims/strikes/harassment in the workplace etc...
The Angela Cairns story especially sickens me the women was creaming 250 k a year out of rehab that was a charity that was losing money but because she was brought to point about it and rightly she's now suing the state for a mental breakdown apparently caused by a oireachats commite who had every right to know what the f**k she thought she was doing pulling a salary like that from a charity that wasnt making a dime

patsy_mccabe · 17-07-2016 9:54am

Heard from a reliable source that there is another big scandal to break about another Irish charity. This one will really sicken you!!!

croot · 17-07-2016 12:12pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

Hse is one of the best funded health services in the world per person in terms of money spent per citizen so yes its fair to come to that conclusion, have seen invoices for parts to bord na mona where the seller has a 200-300% mark - up its crazy the inefficiencies that exist in public sector spending but doubt that will change anytime soon.
Theirs simply no motivation/stick to beat public sector employees with to be more efficent/less wasteful and provide better value for money, given the compo culture that exists in Ireland even if you tried to change this you would be hit with a massive amount of unfair dismissal claims/strikes/harassment in the workplace etc

I don't know about Bord ba mona because it's semi state and has different rules I think but a friend of mine works in procurement in the public service and they have very stringent checks on buying supplies. 3 quotes for everything under €1000 I think from tax compliant suppliers and no wriggle room for dodgy deals. Anything bigger than €1000 needs 5 quotes and director level sign off. All audited by an external auditor.

Genghis Cant · 17-07-2016 1:32pm

croot wrote: »

I don't know about Bord ba mona because it's semi state and has different rules I think but a friend of mine works in procurement in the public service and they have very stringent checks on buying supplies. 3 quotes for everything under €1000 I think from tax compliant suppliers and no wriggle room for dodgy deals. Anything bigger than €1000 needs 5 quotes and director level sign off. All audited by an external auditor.

I've experience of this myself. It's become a real box ticking exercise.
At director level I've seen lads signing for stuff that they've little clue about. They know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Mac Taylor · 17-07-2016 2:38pm

croot wrote: »

I don't know about Bord ba mona because it's semi state and has different rules I think but a friend of mine works in procurement in the public service and they have very stringent checks on buying supplies. 3 quotes for everything under €1000 I think from tax compliant suppliers and no wriggle room for dodgy deals. Anything bigger than €1000 needs 5 quotes and director level sign off. All audited by an external auditor.

I was in hospital a few years ago and the corridors where the ops happen were covered in boxes, asked one of the nurses what was the story? Oh the procurement team took advantage of a bulk order discount. What were the chances though that they thought of the amount of money tied up, the risk of damage, theft etc due to lack of storage etc etc. The bulk order discount if properly costed more than likely was costing them money. The civil service could do with bring in some people with real world experience. Btw not suggesting all who work in the civil service lack this just some:D

Grueller · 17-07-2016 3:53pm

rangler1 wrote: »

Really annoys me to see self employeds hard earned tax money going n such wilful waste........

What about paye workers? Does their tax not matter?

ganmo · 17-07-2016 5:11pm

Grueller wrote: »

What about paye workers? Does their tax not matter?

What ever pot it comes out of it's still a waste
The only thing is that bnm generate their own revenue so it mightn't be coming out of any pot

rangler1 · 17-07-2016 5:18pm

Grueller wrote: »

What about paye workers? Does their tax not matter?

It mustn't when we're accepting such poor public services...

Grueller · 17-07-2016 5:34pm

rangler1 wrote: »

It mustn't when we're accepting such poor public services...

Tbh I am not having a go but self employed people seem to often think we are the only ones that pay tax. Paye workers are by far the hardest taxed group in the country.

Brown Podzol · 17-07-2016 6:06pm

Grueller wrote: »

Tbh I am not having a go but self employed people seem to often think we are the only ones that pay tax. Paye workers are by far the hardest taxed group in the country.

Not so.PAYE tax credit is €1,650, self employed tax credit is €550.

rangler1 · 17-07-2016 6:46pm

Grueller wrote: »

Tbh I am not having a go but self employed people seem to often think we are the only ones that pay tax. Paye workers are by far the hardest taxed group in the country.

Self employed in general don't get weekends off, nor three weeks holidays and usually have 40 hrs work done by Wednesday, That's why I hate to see my hard earned tax money wasted by inefficiency and bad manangement

Username John · 17-07-2016 9:14pm

rangler1 wrote: »

Self employed in general don't get weekends off, nor three weeks holidays and usually have 40 hrs work done by Wednesday, That's why I hate to see my hard earned tax money wasted by inefficiency and bad manangement

What about those fools amoung us who work both a PAYE job and then pay tax on the farm income (although the second is less of an issue)

Should we be twice as annoyed as you, or half as annoyed? I'm not sure which

Grueller · 17-07-2016 9:38pm

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Not so.PAYE tax credit is €1,650, self employed tax credit is €550.

The amount of stuff that self employed can put through as business expenses though more than makes up for that where a paye worker has very little they can claim. Not saying that claiming these reliefs is wrong, just that they are not available to paye.

timple23 · 31-07-2016 10:00pm

anyone at the wilsons auction on saturday? any idea what the tw25 on half tracks made

Landr · 01-08-2016 12:47pm

It made €3200

Shannon757 · 01-08-2016 7:15pm

Any more auctions coming up?

148multi · 02-08-2016 12:03pm

Anyone seen what the Ford Ranger went?

Landr · 02-08-2016 12:24pm

€400

lakill Farm · 03-08-2016 12:12pm

any idea what the ford 4600 made?

asked a lad who knows a friend who worked

Landr · 16-08-2016 12:08am

lakill Farm wrote: »

any idea what the ford 4600 made?

asked a lad who knows a friend who worked

2100

liam7831 · 01-11-2016 10:04pm

This came from BNM auction i believe, i never understand why people take the injector pump off a yoke and she was going perfect !!!!!!!!! Lick of paint and she would be like new.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fiatagri-f130/13799617

_Brian · 01-11-2016 10:52pm

liam7831 wrote: »

This came from BNM auction i believe, i never understand why people take the injector pump off a yoke and she was going perfect !!!!!!!!! Lick of paint and she would be like new.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fiatagri-f130/13799617

Well, considering the other one he's selling came from that auction would indeed point it was BNM stock..

But, since he obviously bought with the idea of cleaning up and moving them on I'd wonder just how much of a "project" that would be, moneypit might be another name, surely if it was a decent project he'd do it himself..

selectamatic · 02-11-2016 2:30am

Tricky enough tractor to work on too I'm nearly certain them f series fiat's have electrics in the lift and gearbox which are needlessly complex, at least that's what I was led to believe was the downfall of the local contractors one. Back in the early noughties

blue5000 · 02-11-2016 12:12pm

selectamatic wrote: »

Tricky enough tractor to work on too I'm nearly certain them f series fiat's have electrics in the lift and gearbox which are needlessly complex, at least that's what I was led to believe was the downfall of the local contractors one. Back in the early noughties

With no injector pump it would be hard to check alright. Did some have a reduction splitter in the gearbox, you just flicked the main gear lever over towards yourself to change down speed about 10%? Something must have gone wrong for the bnm mechanics gremlins to cannabilize the injector pump.

I wonder what's the scrap value?

selectamatic · 02-11-2016 2:57pm

blue5000 wrote: »

With no injector pump it would be hard to check alright. Did some have a reduction splitter in the gearbox, you just flicked the main gear lever over towards yourself to change down speed about 10%? Something must have gone wrong for the bnm mechanics gremlins to cannabilize the injector pump.

I wonder what's the scrap value?

Something like that alright blue, electronic draft control as well if I remember correctly all very advanced stuff for the time but when things went wrong men who were used to 110-90's were left scratching their heads. Lovely looking tractors though but definitely not something that'd stand up to the riggers of Bord na Mona work/operators for a sustained period of time.

twin_beacon · 02-11-2016 3:13pm

selectamatic wrote: »

definitely not something that'd stand up to the riggers of Bord na Mona work/operators for a sustained period of time.

bnm took delivery of their first load of new john deere 6830s the last summer I worked for them. They got the pure bog standard machines (no pun intended!) I wonder how they will last, as they will be expected to do 20+ years of work, with a mixture of different operators, some of which, I wouldn't let drive a bumping car! The grills in front of the radiator would get clogged with dust very fast, and over heat as a result.

The new holland 8360 was a great machine in the bog, most of the machines in my area had 12 seasons done, and going strong. Mixture of range command and manual gear boxes. Same with the TM series, gave very little hardship.

_Brian · 02-11-2016 7:20pm

rangler1 wrote: »

Self employed in general don't get weekends off, nor three weeks holidays and usually have 40 hrs work done by Wednesday, That's why I hate to see my hard earned tax money wasted by inefficiency and bad manangement

They also right off much more expenses against their tax than paye have the opportunity to, plenty of paye people work nights, weekends, Sundays lates, earlies etc.
Working hard isn't confined to the self employed.

rangler1 · 02-11-2016 7:58pm

_Brian wrote: »

They also right off much more expenses against their tax than paye have the opportunity to, plenty of paye people work nights, weekends, Sundays lates, earlies etc.
Working hard isn't confined to the self employed.

That's like the nurse interviewed on the news one night, she claimed she just came off a thirteen hour shift....she neglected to mention that she only had two more of those shifts that week. and maybe work only 46 weeks in the year

Buford T. Justice XIX · 02-11-2016 8:17pm

Mod note: Back on topic please, gentlemen.

timple23 · 02-11-2016 8:42pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/all?userId=107309

those other two tractors are BnM, the 65 94 has a long new parts list!

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