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What body types do women/guys find most/least attractive?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭zeroliner


    Always been a fan of tall men. Small men just do not do it for me. When I found out Tom Hardy was only 5 9 I was a bit disappointed.

    I still would though, which I'm sure Tom is only too relieved about :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭Ayuntamiento


    Dammit, just 8 inches off! If you could alter your height through willpower and behaviour like you can with weight I would have zero problem AT ALL with womens' universal height preference in attraction (or humanity in generals subconscious negative bias against shorter men)
    Even if statistically most shorter men couldn't improve their height with willpower in the long run, if it was literally possible for even a small percentage to do it I'd wager myself to be among them as I have an obsessive nature and would do whatever I had to.

    To be fair, I'm 5ft 7 myself so my idea of tall is different to a woman who's 5ft 1. In another woman's world you're tall!!


  • Posts: 21,740 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dammit, just 8 inches off! If you could alter your height through willpower and behaviour like you can with weight I would have zero problem AT ALL with womens' universal height preference in attraction (or humanity in generals subconscious negative bias against shorter men)
    Even if statistically most shorter men couldn't improve their height with willpower in the long run, if it was literally possible for even a small percentage to do it I'd wager myself to be among them as I have an obsessive nature and would do whatever I had to.

    I will never have the long limbs of a supermodel. My stomach isn't flat, my shape isn't athletic, my hair isn't blonde, I have a few wrinkles on my face. There are plenty of men who would not find me attractive for those reasons. I couldn't care less. That's human nature.

    You can't change who you are but how you feel about yourself is often the biggest barrier.


  • Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What's your beef with women liking taller men though? Do you think women have a problem with men liking very pretty women? Or do you just not like physical traits being preferred by anyone at all?

    Straw man question I think.. but maybe an answer could go like this: I think I just have a deeply held impulse that you "should be" able to willpower yourself out of situation you don't like- that probably originates in a hatrid of not having control over my existence .. if people's heights were decided upon based on something more superficially meritorious like effort or good character it would not bother me .. but it's pure luck .. but then again, ending up as a person with intelligence, good work ethic etc. is a situation which results from the blind, pointless unfolding of events in the universe as much as the events leading to a person existing as a tall man ... also I am aware that there are many, many worse fates to befall a person over which they also don't have control - severe medical conditions present at birth for instance so it is very self-absorbed to care about height against that context ... and about the comparison with pretty women: I honestly think the vast majority of girls look good looking nowadays so I don't think most girls have anything to worry about although I am sure they still do worry. Whether it is make-up, better nutrition or a bunch of other stuff, the fact is something has happened that has resulted in most girls looking good nowadays. .. and your last question, of course if my physical traits ticked the boxes of what most women's preferences was I would have few thoughts on the matter at all since it would all be theoretical to me - but when I am never going to be considered to fit any girls idea of "preference" then of course I am going to be unhappy with it, emotions *are* part of the human condition after all


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    I couldn't even read that, whatever that is OnionBelt. As I stated earlier in the thread, I go out quite regularly as a 5'11'' man with my 6'5'' super handsome mate and I never get a look in! That's just the way it is. I don't resent him for it! He can't go out with all of them!
    No matter who you are or what you look like there's always going to be someone better on paper. Life just isn't fair, the sooner you accept that the better :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    You can't change who you are but how you feel yourself is often the biggest barrier.

    True.


  • Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I couldn't even read that, whatever that is OnionBelt. As I stated earlier in the thread, I go out quite regularly as a 5'11'' man with my 6'5'' super handsome mate and I never get a look in! That's just the way it is. I don't resent him for it! He can't go out with all of them!
    No matter who you are or what you look like there's always going to be someone better on paper. Life just isn't fair, the sooner you accept that the better :)

    The difference between being 5'11 and 6'5 would not realistically impact on your quality of life (id personally prefer to be 5'11 and would wager that most men would) whereas the difference between 5'7 and 5'11 would be utterly life-changing. So forcing yourself to be "content with your lot" in relation to height is a bit easier for you in fairness!

    Edit: just read about him being super handsome as you say .. fair enough.

    And as for other traits, you are indeed correct - I am as ungrateful for not being badly facially scarred as tall people are for not being short. You only become truly mindful of and get the genuine insight into what it's like to possess an undesirable physical trait when you yourself possess it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭Surreptitious


    Who cares about height? There are people crippled in wheelchairs every day of the week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Who cares about height? There are people crippled in wheelchairs every day of the week.

    Exactly. We all get down about things at times but counting your blessings is a reliable way to improve your outlook. There'll always be better and worse-off people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    How small are you? Anyway, it means nothing. When I think of any married friends of mine, the two I would think are happiest with their wives and have great families etc are probably only about 5'8'' or 9''. I have other tall friends who are currently undergoing horrible divorces and haven't had sex in a long time! So it really means nothing. I wouldn't dwell on it!

    It definitely doesnt mean nothing. there are clear advantages to being a tall man. And he wasnt saying that if you're tall its impossible to not have a great life and vice versa for being short..clearly thats not true. But just as a rule of thumb


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  • Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wakka12 wrote: »
    It definitely doesnt mean nothing. there are clear advantages to being a tall man. And he wasnt saying that if you're tall its impossible to not have a great life and vice versa for being short..clearly thats not true. But just as a rule of thumb

    Correct - "all else being equal" it is better to be tall than short. Anyone who disputes this is factually incorrect.

    Also: @surreptituous and widdershins - I agree, on the scale of things that could happen to a person to get them down being 5'6.75 is a pretty luxurious concern to have, not to say i don't have other things that trouble me, like every single other person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Who cares about height? There are people crippled in wheelchairs every day of the week.

    Why do people say this always? Can I not complain about anything unless Im formally recognised to be the most unfortunate soul on planet earth? You can complain about a sore throat even though people are dying of cancer, even though people have things worse, it doesn't make it any less **** for you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Why do people say this always? Can I not complain about anything unless Im formally recognised to be the most unfortunate soul on planet earth? You can complain about a sore throat even though people are dying of cancer, even though people have things worse, it doesn't make it any less **** for you

    Maybe it's supposed to be encouraging.


  • Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Why do people say this always? Can I not complain about anything unless Im formally recognised to be the most unfortunate soul on planet earth? You can complain about a sore throat even though people are dying of cancer, even though people have things worse, it doesn't make it any less **** for you

    This is also true (not a contradiction to my post above). It's like saying nobody is truly in a position worthy of contentment if someone else in the world is in a position more worthy of contentment. But I go against the grain mentally and force myself to try to acknowledge reference points that aren't natural for me to acknowledge .. I try to dissolve my concerns using a broader perspective .. problem is it usually leads me to feel guilty and self-loathing (again, *me* being self-absorbed, me, me, me..) e.g. When I see some admirable person born with no arms or legs who has a much better attitude than me and achieves brilliantly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Maybe it's supposed to be encouraging.

    Unfortunately it does pretty much the opposite and comes across as nobody cares stop whining!
    But I do recognise that height is quite an arbitrary problem in the grand scheme of things. Though it just really irks me when women say it though, in a completely unsympathetic manner, 'oh it doesn't matter', when there is no such limiting physical factor for women on par with importance of male height.

    And being fat is in no way comparable despite the pressure women are under to be skinny . Because, you can lose weight. You cant grow. And to add insult to injury, Id say the top 20% fattest segment of women get 100 fold times more romantic attention than the 20% smallest group of men in society


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    I'm all about the tall. 6ft 3 as a minimum. I like being towered over. Body shape is mostly irrelevant beyond that. Even extremely good-looking men do nothing for me if they're short (<ie less than 6ft). I used to love Cillian Murphy until I passed him in Temple Bar one day and realised he's tiny.

    Short isn't anyone below 6 ft unless your're something such as Dutch. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭Surreptitious


    5 7 isn't even small. Small is 5 foot or something. It's like a skinny person calling themselves fat.


  • Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Unfortunately it does pretty much the opposite and comes across as nobody cares stop whining!
    But I do recognise that height is quite an arbitrary problem in the grand scheme of things. Though it just really irks me when women say it though, in a completely unsympathetic manner, 'oh it doesn't matter', when there is no such limiting physical factor for women on par with importance of male height.

    The unalterability of it is bullet-point number 1 in a list of why it sucks and is a point that people seem to ignore in discussions of height - I can't think of a female issue analogous in that regard that men can't also have (perhaps extremely short women?)

    The next bullet point might be that attempts by the man to mitigate his undesirabley low height through wearing certain shoes etc. are considered worthy of derision by both men and women in a way that women's use of make-up to improve facial appearance, or high heels to make their legs look longer and slimmer, for example, is not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    The unalterability of it is bullet-point number 1 in a list of why it sucks and is a point that people seem to ignore in discussions of height - I can't think of a female issue analogous in that regard that men can't also have (perhaps extremely short women?)

    No I don't think it matters, I know two girls who are literal dwarfs, (not primordial dwarfism but both are under 4'9'' and they both get plenty of male attention. They are both pretty though,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    5 7 isn't even small. Small is 5 foot or something. It's like a skinny person calling themselves fat.

    Always interesting how Tom Cruise gets so much flack & scorn for being 5'7" while people tended to obsess less so about the heights of even smaller stars such as Al Pacino or Dustin Hoffman.

    Of course, it could be more due to him being a religious cult fanatic & general tosser. :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Mr Arrior


    I'm all about the tall. 6ft 3 as a minimum. I like being towered over. Body shape is mostly irrelevant beyond that. Even extremely good-looking men do nothing for me if they're short (

    Ruling people out for something they can't change. Not cool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Didas


    5 7 isn't even small. Small is 5 foot or something. It's like a skinny person calling themselves fat.

    5'7 is on the small side for a man alright, however it's not excessively small and is still taller than most women


  • Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    5 7 isn't even small. Small is 5 foot or something. It's like a skinny person calling themselves fat.

    Well I didn't really think so either until the toxic forum posts, articles etc. of the Internet unleashed upon me the idea that it is. Also average height actually has increased among young men in the last 20 years so it is *relatively* short now (which is all that really matters- being 5'7 in 1870s was *above* average in Ireland for men in their 20s). And as someone alluded to, the jabs at any famous man under about 5'9 don't exactly make anyone shorter feel good about themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭Surreptitious


    Well I didn't really think so either until the toxic forum posts, articles etc. of the Internet unleashed upon me the idea that it is. Also average height actually has increased among young men in the last 20 years so it is *relatively* short now (which is all that really matters- being 5'7 in 1870s was *above* average in Ireland for men in their 20s). And as someone alluded to, the jabs at any famous man under about 5'9 don't exactly make anyone shorter feel good about themselves.

    So what if people troll online about it, it doesn't mean you have to look into it and identify with it all. I have been out with smaller guys than you and there wasn't a word said about it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Musketeer4


    Me too. I don't like short hair. Why do women have to chop their hair off at a certain age.

    It may be a signal that they are no longer fertile or sexually receptive perhaps?
    Think about it. What percentage of women over 50 do you see with long glossy hair? Much much less than younger fertile women.

    Similarly, same own goes for guys. They get too 40 and stop giving any sort of a shíte about appearance.





    And dude, on the height thing. You seriously need to get that cup of your shoulder man. Being slightly below average height is not that big a disadvantage. A good friend of mine is only 5'6" and he is an animal for women, very popular with girls and had had sex with more women than I've had got dinners. Seriously, he'd get up on the fridge! Why? Because he has a great personality and exudes confidence.
    That maybe where you are going wrong.... Look at your attitude man...... If you are negative, resentful, jealous, insecure, not confident, that will come across and they are totally unattractive traits. People are attracted to confidence because it's a sign of maturity, social skills, etc and would make that person a better bet for breeding with than someone who has some insecurities or complexes or whatever.

    That said, I think ideal height is 5'10". It gives a very proportioned look. Guys 6 for plus can often appear out of proportion and gangley. I'm 5 9 and happy with that and I'm currently 72kg at 14 percent bf.

    All that said, a proportion of women must have attraction for shorter guys because otherwise people of shorter statue simply would not exist because they would have been bred out of existence. Extremely short or tall people don't exist because they were bred out because it not attractive because it offered no advantage.

    I know it's not all about physical add someone said - personality have massive impact too. That's why people like confidence, intelligence and good social skills in a partner and find that attractive too. Eg, how many physically normal but autistic people have children? Very very few. That trait is extremely unattractive because it puts potential pairing at a huge survival disadvantage because of a) possibility of inheriting the disorder and B) having an ineffective and suboptimal parent who can't care for or raise the child as well as a neurotypical person.

    We might like to think we have free will but I believe that we are all hard wired in this regard to a very large degree. We don't select mates involuntarily or automatically but this hard wiring influences our thoughts and our preferences in selecting a mate to bed from.

    For example, I'll give you some of my dating stories that I've analysed tonight from an evolutionary biology/sexual selection perspective.
    I dated a very pleasant, friendly, good-looking, confident girl 2 years ago. I really liked her and we got on great. She told me she had a chronic but relatively mild and easily treatable medical condition.
    I soon found myself my losing attraction for her . Why? Because my subconscious, under the influence of genetic hard wired programming, was telling me that this girl has suboptimal health and is not a good bet for breeding with because she may pass on the the condition or may become very ill and be unable to be an effective parent. Telling me to save my resources here, move on and find someone healthier and genetically fitter with whom to breed with.
    Other girls who were very nice and good people I didn't pursue further dating with because they had not great educations or poor career protects - to my subconscious these girls lacked the capacity to provide the degree of resources which my subconscious felt would be necessary to raise a family successfully.

    Of course I want consciously thinking this at the time, I was just thinking "meh, not for me" or "no spark" or whatever and decided not to date further. I'm just retrospectively analysing the possible subconscious motivations for those situations.

    I believe we are under the influence of our genome, honed by eons of evolution much more than many would like to think.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭HensVassal


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  • Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So what if people troll online about it, it doesn't mean you have to look into it and identify with it all. I have been out with smaller guys than you and there wasn't a word said about it.

    Yeah I actually care a good deal less than I used to. I seem to do alright with women considering the stuff I've read online, still less than my taller friends and I've had women say to me on nights out that I was too short. But in everyday life I seem to get away with it to some extent, rarely ever had it mentioned about me.. another inch though and I could see it being a lot harder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭Surreptitious


    Yeah I actually care a good deal less than I used to. I seem to do alright with women considering the stuff I've read online, still less than my taller friends and I've had women say to me on nights out that I was too short. But in everyday life I seem to get away with it to some extent, rarely ever had it mentioned about me.. another inch though and I could see it being a lot harder.

    Throwaway comments by drunk people don't define you. The stuff that's been said to me when I was out I could write a book about especially fellas spitting at me and stuff. If they know you're aware of it they will do it even more. I wouldn't be putting too much thought into it tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    Musketeer4 wrote: »
    It may be a signal that they are no longer fertile or sexually receptive perhaps?
    Think about it. What percentage of women over 50 do you see with long glossy hair? Much much less than younger fertile women.

    Similarly, same own goes for guys. They get too 40 and stop giving any sort of a shíte about appearance.


    I believe we are under the influence of our genome, honed by eons of evolution much more than many would like to think.

    I'm not going to quote your whole post but its pretty clear you are overly invested in Evolutionary Psychology.

    There are at least two reasons why older women cut their hair. Its part of our culture, i.e. all the other older women do it. Secondly, grey hair (even when dyed) is of a very different quality to non-grey. Its kind of brittle. I Imagine a whole head of long grey hair (even when dyed) would be difficult to maintain. The idea that women over 40 have given up on their appearance when they cut their hair is laughable. All the women I know over 40 wear makeup, are into clothing, and try to look their best. Its just that they believe that short hair will make them look better, whether they are correct or not.

    This is the problem with analyzing all human behaviour through Ev. Psych. You observe a behaviour, come up with a just-so explanation, and ignore all other factors.

    I'm curious how you reconcile your belief in Ev. Psych. and its influence on attraction with the fact that people have widely different types.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭HughWotMVIII


    I always think I have a type until I meet someone who's not at all like my ideal but I am still attracted to him.
    I've been attracted to: tall men, short men, good looking men and not so good looking men. What they had in common was that they were quick witted, kind - until they weren't - and funny with nice mouths.

    Physically, the only thing I am not willing to compromise is a nice mouth.


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