BMW 330e

Keggers74 · 01-11-2016 01:32PM

Maybe a stupid question, but does anyone know whether two cars can charge at the same time using the ESB charge points that have the three different cables at the front?

I pulled into one the other day at a shopping centre and a Nissan Leaf was busy charging at it, but it wasn't using the Type 2 cable that I needed for my 330e. Didn't want to plug mine into the Type 2 cable in case it cancelled the Leaf's charge.

Anyone know if this can work?

KCross · 01-11-2016 01:43PM

Keggers74 wrote: »

Maybe a stupid question, but does anyone know whether two cars can charge at the same time using the ESB charge points that have the three different cables at the front?

I pulled into one the other day at a shopping centre and a Nissan Leaf was busy charging at it, but it wasn't using the Type 2 cable that I needed for my 330e. Didn't want to plug mine into the Type 2 cable in case it cancelled the Leaf's charge.

Anyone know if this can work?

Yes you can but it might depend on the firmware running on the charger as to whether it will allow it or not.
When you plug yours in and swipe your card it will give you an AC option only since the Leaf is using the DC.

It wont cancel the Leaf's charge.

stesaurus · 01-11-2016 01:48PM

Keggers74 wrote: »

Maybe a stupid question, but does anyone know whether two cars can charge at the same time using the ESB charge points that have the three different cables at the front?

I pulled into one the other day at a shopping centre and a Nissan Leaf was busy charging at it, but it wasn't using the Type 2 cable that I needed for my 330e. Didn't want to plug mine into the Type 2 cable in case it cancelled the Leaf's charge.

Anyone know if this can work?

Some of the fast chargers allow 1 AC and 1 DC charge simultaneously. So yeah its possible, you'll know when you present your card if it gives the AC option.
BUT you probably shouldnt be using a fast charger to begin with. The 330e can only charge at pathetically low speeds. Its not very fair on say a Zoe which can charge upto 15 times the power.
Ideally you should be using the slow charge points with your own cable which keeps the fast chargers free for fast charging.

Blazer · 01-11-2016 02:23PM

grogi wrote: »

Give him a figure and record the face expression

He probably thinks a few hundred will sort it out

digiman · 08-11-2016 09:37PM

Guys, a few questions:

a) How long does it take to charge the car at home?
b) How long does it take to charge at the ESB charging stations?

What is the cost of a) per charge?
Do ESB have a charge associated with b) ?

Keggers74 · 08-11-2016 10:19PM

digiman wrote: »

Guys, a few questions:

a) How long does it take to charge the car at home?
b) How long does it take to charge at the ESB charging stations?

What is the cost of a) per charge?
Do ESB have a charge associated with b) ?

a) charging at full power takes about 3 1/2 hours. Maybe a little less. With a dual rate meter, I think mine costs about €1 to charge fully.

b) I could be wrong but I think it's about 2 to 2.5 hours at an esb charging station. The esb ones are free to use.

digiman · 08-11-2016 10:21PM

Keggers74 wrote: »

a) charging at full power takes about 3 1/2 hours. Maybe a little less. With a dual rate meter, I think mine costs about €1 to charge fully.

b) I could be wrong but I think it's about 2 to 2.5 hours at an esb charging station. The esb ones are free to use.

Thanks, how does the ESB ones work? There are a few of them where I work, do I need to book these in advance each day?

Keggers74 · 08-11-2016 10:48PM

They are first in best dressed. If it is not in use when you get there, you can use it. There is an app that is meant to show which ones are currently working and available.

Esb issues you with a card that you use to start the charger. Presumably this is done to be ready to start charging for use at some point down the track.

carsfan2 · 09-11-2016 02:46PM

Just saw on Carzone a white 162 m sport 330e with 1500km for sale privately for 51k or for buyer to take over sellers pcp.
Bit strange and massively unrealistic pricing.

mickdw · 09-11-2016 03:01PM

How could you possibly take over a pcp without going back, settling with bmw and taking out new pcp.
The used ads are kinda weird for the 330e as its sometimes not clear if they are referring to before grant or after grant price. ID imagine as a used model, you would have to assume grants are gone. That being the case, some of the prices are mad.

bazz26 · 09-11-2016 03:27PM

Sounds like some sort of scam or tax fiddle to me. You would really want your marbles checked to get involved in that sort of deal.

grogi · 09-11-2016 03:45PM

bazz26 wrote: »

Sounds like some sort of scam or tax fiddle to me. You would really want your marbles checked to get involved in that sort of deal.

Don't be paranoid - ye never heart of transfer of a lease or any other contract?

It sounds exactly what it is - someone took a contract, but due to changed circumstances cannot fulfil it. Instead of breaking it and facing early termination fees is looking for someone else to transfer it to. Both parties can benefit - the vendor by not suffering the fees, and the buyer by taking some equity (from the initial deposit) with the deal.

There are some costs to be paid to the financial institution of course for amending the contract, and financial checks needs to be performed. But they have interest in the contract being completed as well...

mickdw · 09-11-2016 04:11PM

So you think the original buyer is going to be happy to walk away from the original deposit and just let someone in to take over payments?
The original buyer would be nuts unless it was bought with minimum deposit day one.

bazz26 · 09-11-2016 04:12PM

grogi wrote: »

Don't be paranoid - ye never heart of transfer of a lease or any other contract?

It sounds exactly what it is - someone took a contract, but due to changed circumstances cannot fulfil it. Instead of breaking it and facing early termination fees is looking for someone else to transfer it to. Both parties can benefit - the vendor by not suffering the fees, and the buyer by taking some equity (from the initial deposit) with the deal.

There are some costs to be paid to the financial institution of course for amending the contract, and financial checks needs to be performed. But they have interest in the contract being completed as well...

Good luck to you if you want to spend 50k in that method.

grogi · 09-11-2016 05:43PM

OSI wrote: »

The ad states you can only take over the payments if you hand them 14 grand first.

He is insane if he expects someone pays either the cash price or 14k to take over the lease... 10k less and there might be some traction

carsfan2 · 09-11-2016 07:41PM

Don't think it could be legal to sell on a car on pcp without clearing the finance first.
Anyway the price asked is ridiculous.
Wonder if it is a case of buyers remorse?

grogi · 09-11-2016 08:23PM

carsfan2 wrote: »

Don't think it could be legal to sell on a car on pcp without clearing the finance first.

Technically you are not buying a car. You are buying the equity in the PCP contract together with all the obligations of the contract and the privilege to use the car.

Such transfer cannot complete without involvement of the financial institution that is currently financing the car to amend the contract, they usually have fixed price do transfer it to someone else. But they might say NO to it - but it is not in their best interest.

sligo_dave · 09-11-2016 08:29PM

Going back to the cost of home charging, has anyone not bothered switching to the night rate and used the home charging in standard rates?
Considering the relatively low (compared to Nissan leaf) amount of electricity required for the car, would there be much financial benefit to changing for a more expensive tariff for day use when washing machines, dishwashers, lights, etc are running?

MarkN · 09-11-2016 10:41PM

grogi wrote: »

Don't be paranoid - ye never heart of transfer of a lease or any other contract?

It sounds exactly what it is - someone took a contract, but due to changed circumstances cannot fulfil it. Instead of breaking it and facing early termination fees is looking for someone else to transfer it to. Both parties can benefit - the vendor by not suffering the fees, and the buyer by taking some equity (from the initial deposit) with the deal.

There are some costs to be paid to the financial institution of course for amending the contract, and financial checks needs to be performed. But they have interest in the contract being completed as well...

You'd want your head examined to do that with a car. The car isn't the current 'owners' to do anything with other than drive it.

cros13 · 17-11-2016 08:14PM

sligo_dave wrote: »

Going back to the cost of home charging, has anyone not bothered switching to the night rate and used the home charging in standard rates?
Considering the relatively low (compared to Nissan leaf) amount of electricity required for the car, would there be much financial benefit to changing for a more expensive tariff for day use when washing machines, dishwashers, lights, etc are running?

For a typical home if 30% or more of your total electricity consumption including car charging will be during the night rate hours you are better off switching. A 330e would typically be drawing 6-7kWh five nights a week which would probably be your 30% right there, even without your existing nighttime consumption. Of course most washing machines, dishwashers and dryers these days have timers which you can use to move even more consumption to the night hours and Tesco has timer sockets for 8.50/each.

I draw 20kWh a night charging my car and combined with moving loads to nightsaver even though my total household consumption almost doubled since switch to EV my bills are down 10-20%.

The day rate usually only goes by a cent or so and the night rate drops by 7-9 cents. Standing charge goes up by 50eur/year.

unkel · 18-11-2016 12:12AM

cros13 wrote: »

For a typical home if 30% or more of your total electricity consumption including car charging will be during the night rate hours you are better off switching.

You can't say that! It's not relative to your total consumption. There is a clear cut off point that's pretty much the same for every home, not depending on your total consumption or your day consumption or the percentage of the latter of the former

It's very simple maths. The night meter costs nothing to install. The standing charge is higher if you have a night meter. But your night rate is much lower. Rate and standing charge depend on your provider

Say the extra standing charge is €8 per month and your normal rate is 16c and your night rate is 8c, then to recoup the €8 you need to have 800/(16-8) = 100 units per month at the night rate, or a bit more than 3 per day

Or basically charging an EV for just one hour a night at the slow charger would be enough to go get a night meter

Padraig Mor · 18-11-2016 09:58AM

unkel wrote: »

You can't say that! It's not relative to your total consumption. There is a clear cut off point that's pretty much the same for every home, not depending on your total consumption or your day consumption or the percentage of the latter of the former

It's very simple maths. The night meter costs nothing to install. The standing charge is higher if you have a night meter. But your night rate is much lower. Rate and standing charge depend on your provider

Say the extra standing charge is €8 per month and your normal rate is 16c and your night rate is 8c, then to recoup the €8 you need to have 800/(16-8) = 100 units per month at the night rate, or a bit more than 3 per day

Or basically charging an EV for just one hour a night at the slow charger would be enough to go get a night meter

Extra standing charge is actually about half that - about €50 a year. I think I've said before that since I got a night meter, changed providers and moved most clothes / dish washing to night hours, along with c. 1 full charge on my Leaf per week, my electricity bills have actually gone down. I'm currently running at about 44% night usage.

sligo_dave · 18-11-2016 07:52PM

unkel wrote: »

You can't say that! It's not relative to your total consumption. There is a clear cut off point that's pretty much the same for every home, not depending on your total consumption or your day consumption or the percentage of the latter of the former

It's very simple maths. The night meter costs nothing to install. The standing charge is higher if you have a night meter. But your night rate is much lower. Rate and standing charge depend on your provider

Say the extra standing charge is €8 per month and your normal rate is 16c and your night rate is 8c, then to recoup the €8 you need to have 800/(16-8) = 100 units per month at the night rate, or a bit more than 3 per day

Or basically charging an EV for just one hour a night at the slow charger would be enough to go get a night meter

That's great info, makes a lot of sense when it's much the same for day rate and nearly half price for night rate. Just to get onto energia now to start the process.
Anyone else waiting on delivery in January?

carsfan2 · 18-11-2016 08:37PM

what spec and colour did you go with Slig Dave?

sligo_dave · 18-11-2016 10:11PM

carsfan2 wrote: »

what spec and colour did you go with Slig Dave?

I went for m sport in estoril blue, black leather, m sport plus pack. Getting the black grill as dealer fit option too. Pretty much what's in this pic:

madds · 19-11-2016 12:44AM

sligo_dave wrote: »

I went for m sport in estoril blue, black leather, m sport plus pack. Getting the black grill as dealer fit option too. Pretty much what's in this pic:

That's a beaut. Enjoy!

carsfan2 · 19-11-2016 10:44AM

That will be lovely Dave.
Enjoy when it arrives
M sport plus makes it look even better in my opinion, 19" lovely wheels.
Harman kardon speaker upgrade is terrific.

Moe1013 · 19-11-2016 11:35AM

sligo_dave wrote: »

carsfan2 wrote: »

what spec and colour did you go with Slig Dave?

I went for m sport in estoril blue, black leather, m sport plus pack. Getting the black grill as dealer fit option too. Pretty much what's in this pic:

Thats funny, I'm waiting for one for Jan delivery. Same spec but in white..Haven't changed the grill yet though. Looks like a nice idea. May I ask how much extra the dealer wants for it?

bazz26 · 19-11-2016 02:10PM

I think someone mentioned earlier around €150 including fitting.

sligo_dave · 19-11-2016 02:14PM

Moe1013 wrote: »

Thats funny, I'm waiting for one for Jan delivery. Same spec but in white..Haven't changed the grill yet though. Looks like a nice idea. May I ask how much extra the dealer wants for it?

I didn't clarify, I think he mentioned around €100 odd but could have been more. Have you it long ordered? The countdown to January is becoming harder ever week. Getting updates now that it's due to be built this Monday and expected in dealers 2 weeks later (hopefully anyway)

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