The Recovery Has Barely Started And Dublin is at breaking point

jackofalltrades · 28-10-2016 01:21PM

Solutions to the problem.

Build more infrastructure: Not really a vote getter. Takes so long to do as well that some other politician will get the credit.

Build more infrastructure in Dublin: "Dublin gets everything. Where's our motorway." You can't build anything in Dublin without rural politicians complaining. Which leads to a reluctance to do anything.

Directly elected Mayor for Dublin: Existing parties scared of creating a Boris Johnson. They don't need a powerful figure holding them to account.

Build more infrastructure in Cork, Limerick, Galway: Which will probably leave Dublin with less funds and even worse off than it is now.

We need to become more mature as a country and start planning for the common good, rather than just pandering to groups to get votes.
I can't see this happening in the short term though.

Zelda247 · 28-10-2016 01:25PM

I think a lot of the housing crisis in Dublin is caused because we did not plan for the huge influx of immigration since the EU expanded. Most of the houses where I come from are now rented to immigrants (I am not saying that they are not entitled to be here etc of course they are) but we don't have the housing to support.

Grayson · 28-10-2016 01:33PM

Zelda247 wrote: »

I think a lot of the housing crisis in Dublin is caused because we did not plan for the huge influx of immigration since the EU expanded. Most of the houses where I come from are now rented to immigrants (I am not saying that they are not entitled to be here etc of course they are) but we don't have the housing to support.

Most of them were probably built by immigrants. When the housing boom started people came here because there were jobs. That in part fed into the need to build more houses which needed more labour.

SEPT 23 1989 · 28-10-2016 01:34PM

Bonzo Delaney wrote: »

eh canals don't flow it's controlled waterways they can be drained

drain them i say and install Maglev trains

Tullamore to Dublin in half an hour

CPSW · 28-10-2016 01:48PM

I was going to read this article then I seen its from Niall "Harbo" Harbison and his Lovin Dublin website.

I wouldn't take that clown's opinion on anything. He's a grade A moron!!!

Harvey Normal · 28-10-2016 03:03PM

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

You don't. It just amuses me the amount of people who think they know what solutions will work, in what is an extremely complex field with a huge number of variables.
It takes years of study and probably another 10years relevant post graduate experience to be anyway competent in the field.

You're the guy who wants to get rid of iinter city rail, yeh?

valoren · 28-10-2016 03:23PM

I keep reading the thread title like it's punk rock lyrics

the re-cover-ey has started!
but its barely in our sight!
dub-a-lin at breaking point!!!!!
when will we ever see the light?

Winterlong · 28-10-2016 03:25PM

I too was going to read the article...but was up in the local shopping centre this morning and there were three people in the queue for the ATM.
So it's true - T'infrastructure cant cope.

Mr. CooL ICE · 28-10-2016 03:43PM

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

I'm sure they'd tell you.

If you need a heart operation, you'll probably get a heart surgeon to do it, rather than asking some randomer on the street.

If you want sustainable public infrastructure solutions, give more power to the professionals, take it out of the political sphere and stop pretending that Paddy from down the road's opinion is of equal merit.

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

So, where did you study for your transport planning degree?

Mod:

MeatTwoVeg , you don't need to be a solicitor/barrister to post in threads about court cases. Same principle applies here.

Address the points in the posts you quote instead of trying to shut down discussion.

Harvey Normal · 28-10-2016 03:48PM

Grayson wrote: »

Most of them were probably built by immigrants. When the housing boom started people came here because there were jobs. That in part fed into the need to build more houses which needed more labour.

That didn't work out too well. I wonder if it's impossible for a small country like Ireland to build infrastructure given how open it is.

ChikiChiki · 28-10-2016 04:45PM

Macy0161 wrote: »

Would it not work both ways? Making these towns commutable to Dublin, would also make them easily accessible from Dublin.

That's exactly it. The benefit would work both ways. I'm sure Galway, Cork and Limerick would be commutable for people living in Dublin if there was high speed rail and visa versa. Despite having a quality motorway network it would still be considerably slower than a good rail system. Plus each city has its traffic issues. I can get to Galway city in 1.5 hours from my house in North Kildare nowadays but could spend another hour sitting in Renmore all the way down to Lough Atalia or on the ring roads.

Have the roads and the high speed rail and you're making all these regional cities very competitive indeed.

Harry Palmr · 28-10-2016 05:16PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Solutions to the problem.

Build more infrastructure in Cork, Limerick, Galway: Which will probably leave Dublin with less funds and even worse off than it is now.

Thanks for your interest.

Yours

Harry Palmr, Waterford.

marno21 · 29-10-2016 04:10AM

Grayson wrote: »

This is what the lines looked like about 1900

This is what they are today.

Which is exactly how it should look like. Railways for Dingle, Cahirciveen etc are not sustainable and were rightly shut down. The population density is too small and is better served by road transport.

It's a sad indictment of this country that reopening a white elephant railway (Phase 1 is open from Ennis to Athenry and is a massive money losing experiment costing €106m) from Athenry to Sligo gets more discussion than DART Underground, which would transform the Dublin rail network and TRIPLE the amount of journeys possible, which together with Metro North would interconnect the Northern Line, Sligo/Maynooth Line, South Western/Kildare commuter line and the South Eastern line, along with Metro North to Swords, Airport and Ballymun/DCU.

Also, the M20 Cork-Limerick road and the M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy road need advancing ASAP to further develop the Cork economy. Something needs to be done about PT in Cork too, with trams/metro being looked at because it's infeasable to continue building houses in Midleton/Carrigtwohill/Carrigaline/Ballincollig/Blarney etc and make the commuters drive to the city centre. Look at the mess Mahon is in.

marno21 · 29-10-2016 04:12AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Thanks for your interest.

Yours

Harry Palmr, Waterford.

Waterford has a motorway grade bypass, a fully dualled outer ring road, a motorway to Dublin with a 2nd motorway to Dublin part under construction (N25 New Ross BP & N11 Enniscorthy BP). What more does Waterford need?

All this with a population of 51k.

dresden8 · 29-10-2016 04:33AM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

I'm not a smart man, but why did it take 12 years was it, to link the two Luas lines up?

Mary O'Rourke.

lisasimpson · 29-10-2016 08:42AM

Also, the M20 Cork-Limerick road and the M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy road need advancing ASAP to further develop the Cork economy. Something needs to be done about PT in Cork too, with trams/metro being looked at because it's infeasable to continue building houses in Midleton/Carrigtwohill/Carrigaline/Ballincollig/Blarney etc and make the commuters drive to the city centre. Look at the mess Mahon is in.[/quote]

And according to yesterdays examiner a serious number of housing planned for those areas too
In cork there is massive developement planned for the train station site...if anything the bus station should be moved over to that site. Then have regular buses to the likes of mahon at peak times from there.would help commuters and an alternative for eastern commuter than driving through the tunnel. The existing bus station across the river would be a valuable office block site.
also cork are spending money on a pedestrain bridge that theres no need for..better off putting that money towards the bridge from near paric ui choamh to silversprings esp since the long term plan is to redevelop the docklands.

In our cities as a whole try to link up routes that are there. As a non dub id live to see the metro north to dublin airport via dcu...couldnt be anything but viable.
its the intragration in our cities is a big problem.it embrassing how behind we are on public transport in ireland

suicide_circus · 29-10-2016 08:51AM

WE HAVE TURNED THE CORNER

into a cul de sac

smurgen · 29-10-2016 09:07AM

Cork has a train station that looks like something from the 1900's,busses that have no frequency to be reliable to commuters,a mis managed airport ran from dublin,roads in tatters and over crowed and a lack of bridges linking vital parts of the city oh and one ofnthe most overly congested,dangerous dirt tracks liking it to the 3rd city in the coutry ,but sure lets spend all the capital infastructure on dublin.

tails_naf · 29-10-2016 09:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The situation in Dublin now is a mess - the price of housing is so ridiculously expensive that peoples' lives are being ruined having to commute 4 hours a day to work in the only place there are any jobs. But, but, muh free market economics .... whatever, but don't pretend human beings don't have emotions and that having to commute so far to work doesn't make them depressed. So much for the quality of life improving as time passes. No amount of comfortable beds, smart tvs, gourmet food can make up for the depression that results if you don't have a high-flying career (which used to be noteworthy but is now considered baseline), nice house (which used to be attainable in a decent job but now is both baseline and requires two people to work in great jobs) and if you do attain these things, the price you are paying mentally is usually so great that you don't even get any pleasure out of them, and because they are considered baseline nowadays all you are doing is staving off feelings of inferiority, rather than relishing your material comforts which your ancestors would have been rolling on the floor laughing at because they are so luxurious. If we think things are bad now, I feel for the generation coming down the tracks - psychological battlefield they are being born into.

So much of this could be solved with infrastructure and planning. Many if the jobs people commute for don't need to be smack bang in the city centre, or if they are we need a subway and light rail from all approaches to dublin (like every other city). There are business parks in cork that are outside of the city centre and served by a train from the centre. This makes it easier for people living in the city as well as outside to access it. Works pretty well. Until of course until it grows and grows and the access is not upgraded with it.
Little island is like this, Traffic us getting progressively worse, what's being done? Apparently we're on another round of consultants and surveying... so long story short nothing until it gets way too late. I wish we had decent planners who would address these issues way before they become almost insurmountable. Is there a word for the opposite of pro-active. Inactive maybe?

smurgen · 29-10-2016 11:45AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I'm not ignoring anyone or anything. You should note though, that your figures are based on the income per head, not the total income. Using your figures, Ovens probably has a higher of GDP per head than Cork City.

The simple fact though, is that one third of the country's population live in the Greater Dublin Area, so it is always going to get a higher level of support overall, but the actual spending per head in Dublin is probably lower then it is in other regions though.

The study i quoted said cork county.cork county has the higest gbp per person in the country.cork county has a population of 542,000,mentioning ovens is ridiculous.

Harry Palmr · 29-10-2016 02:22PM

marno21 wrote: »

Waterford has a motorway grade bypass, a fully dualled outer ring road, a motorway to Dublin with a 2nd motorway to Dublin part under construction (N25 New Ross BP & N11 Enniscorthy BP). What more does Waterford need?

All this with a population of 51k.

A university and a second river crossing that is not out in the countryside would be a good start. Oh and some jobs.

AlekSmart · 29-10-2016 02:46PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Or to put it another way, London planned and built cross rail in about the same time

Spot-on the money...take,for example the BRT scheme (Bus Rapid Transit).

A very flexible,viable and suitable improvement to Dublin's Puclic Transport...

Planned & Developed after a shed load of investigation and alomst ready to be commenced,when all-of-a-sudden the National Transport Authority decides to go ..."Hmmmm....maybe we should take another look....we might have missed something the first,second and third time around,and even missed it on the Public Consultation phase as well "

Let's have ANOTHER review...of the previous reviews...and maybe we'll spend that problematic last bit of 2016 budget allocation before Christmas ?

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Bus-Rapid-Transit-Core-Network-report11.pdf

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/consultations/public-consultation-on-swiftway-bus-rapid-transit-swordsairport-to-city-centre/

Rather typically,in Irish Public admistration terms,the piece of infrastructure most advanced is rather conveniently "forgotten" ,suddenly airbrushed from documentation and simply ignored in Official Communications...

http://irishcycle.com/2016/07/08/dublins-bus-rapid-transport-plan-moving-forward-to-design-stage/

So-far indications — including the design of the apparently on-hold Swords route — are that Dublin’s BRT will be below the international standards, but the new routes could change this.

Here’s a map outlining the originally three BRT planned routes, including the main two routes mentioned above and the Swords route, which was not mentioned in the parliamentary answer:

It's how we do things round here.....:(

In the meantime,out beyond Butlin's.....

https://www.infrastructure-ni.gov.uk/articles/belfast-rapid-transit-latest-news

https://www.engineersireland.ie/EngineersIreland/media/SiteMedia/groups/societies/roads-tranport/bus-transit-2012/9-Ciaran-de-Burca-Belfast-Rapid-Transit-Bus-based-Tranist-seminar.pdf?ext=.pdf

Yep,the Nordies have their first line 70% complete and ready for opening in Q3 2017....they've even gone out and bought the buses...

https://www.vanhool.be/ENG/actua/30trambusesforbe.html

Scandalous,reckless carry-on,this doing stuff will cause problems,mark my words..:rolleyes:

Xrok12 · 29-10-2016 03:49PM

I believe there's another crash coming alright, when is anyone's guess. It won't manifest itself the same as 2008 though. You have to look at what we use to buy and sell houses. What we use to pay nurses, teachers, gardai. What we use to pay public sector pensions, social welfare, etc.

The Euro currency.

There is €12 trillion debt in the eurozone at the moment, France alone owes €2 trillion of this.
Debt to GDP in the eurozone was around 66% in 2007. It hit a record high of 93% last year.
Greece are still in big trouble despite the media reporting dying down.
It's completely unsustainable in the long-term. Something has to give.

The Recovery Has Barely Started And Dublin is at breaking point

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