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The Recovery Has Barely Started And Dublin is at breaking point

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  • #32
    HensVassal
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    MilesMorales1 wrote: »
    https://lovindublin.com/opinion/the-recovery-has-barely-started-and-dublin-is-already-at-breaking-point




    I'm in City centre every day and I agree very much with the sentiments in this article. The town currently looks awful, traffic is awful with the constant work being down. Nothing has been done about the anti social elements, which while not being as bad as people say is bad enough. It's just grey and dour and depressing and it doesn't feel like much of a recovery, even if it was. And thats to say nothing of the parts of the country that haven't had the recovery.


    It's the end of October, dude.


  • #33
    valoren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭valoren


    Train tracks are ching ching, bit 'o cash. Know what I mean?


  • #34
    MilesMorales1
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    HensVassal wrote: »
    It's the end of October, dude.

    It's also like that all year round.


  • #35
    Harvey Normal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Harvey Normal


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    The housing crisis is the biggest and most urgent problem facing Dublin. It's a disgrace.

    The lack of spending on public transport infrastructure is a scandal.

    Dublin needs to have the pressure taken off it. There were opportunities to do this by developing the provincial cities as a counterbalance but this has IMO now passed.

    It's not just the politicians. Water charges generated more angst, more protests, more column inches than the rental crisis for the last few years. Whole new parties were formed to combat two taxes. The left was more concerned about property taxes than rental payments.

    Why would politicians do anything if there's no fuss?


  • #36
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    fill in the both canals and run high speed rail lines on it


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  • #37
    LuckyLloyd
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    The LUAS cross city track is a terrible folly. Massive disruption for an ultimately slow and windy tram that will solve no major demand issues. The length and level of upheaval in the city centre (and the project is actually flying relative to its timetable!) is demoralising.

    Dart Underground, two decades ago, please.


  • #38
    Dravokivich
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    511 wrote: »
    You'd have to migrate everybody to Dublin to be like Singapore. High density city-states are easier to manage and are very prosperous.

    A major problem in this country is parish pump politics. With about 35 - 40% of our population living rural, we have too many TDs looking after rural areas while neglecting Dublin. There's no future in rural Ireland, it can't be fixed. All the companies want to set up in urban areas. The trend is towards urbanization and most industrialized nations have small rural populations.

    We need to cancel the rollout of fibre optic to rural areas and gradually remove subsidies to rural-dwellers, just bankrupt them of of their cozy lifestyle.

    How do we transition Rural to Urban, if we don't invest in the rural locations so they can support it?


  • #39
    aido79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    The biggest problem in Ireland is that most things that the government do are reactive rather than proactive. It seems to be a case of let a crisis or problem occur and then try to figure out how to fix it rather than put some thought or planning into preventing it happening in the first place.


  • #40
    tobsey
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    fill in the both canals and run high speed rail lines on it
    There are already tracks running alongside the two canals. The rail comapanies bought the canals for that purpose.


  • #41
    gandalf
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    I think people have come up with some of the solutions in this thread.

    For Dublin there needs to be a cohesive plan especially for transport and public transport. For this a publicly elected Mayor is needed with some real power to enact change.

    In reality too much is Dublin Centric in this country. One of the other cities needs to be built up from an Infrastructure perspective. Cork with the Port and Limerick with Shannon airport would be obvious choices. Build up the Infrastructure services around one of these and provide incentives for companies to locate there.


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  • #42
    Annasopra
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    MilesMorales1 wrote: »
    https://lovindublin.com/opinion/the-recovery-has-barely-started-and-dublin-is-already-at-breaking-point




    I'm in City centre every day and I agree very much with the sentiments in this article. The town currently looks awful, traffic is awful with the constant work being down. Nothing has been done about the anti social elements, which while not being as bad as people say is bad enough. It's just grey and dour and depressing and it doesn't feel like much of a recovery, even if it was. And thats to say nothing of the parts of the country that haven't had the recovery.

    Bit of a daft article

    Time to invest but slag off where there is investment

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #43
    Annasopra
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    MilesMorales1 wrote: »
    I'm not a smart man, but why did it take 12 years was it, to link the two Luas lines up?

    Fianna fail stupidity in building 2 separate lines in the first place

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #44
    Annasopra
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    yermanoffthetv wrote: »
    I know I'm going to get some stick for this and people are going to say it's the least of our problems but I was walking around Cork at the weekend and noticed how shabby and half arsed the public realm is. Broken pavements, the odd shovel of tarmac thrown here and there, bike lanes that run for one street, dingey unlit streets and a complete lack of adequate green spaces and landscaping.(I'm not having a go at Cork here, all towns and cities are guilty of this)

    It's a shame because our cities could be much nicer places to live if comparatively modest improvements were made. I mention this only because if we can't get these relatively simple things right what hope is there for forwarded thinking in integrated transport and progressive urban planning

    Very true. Our local governments have been syarved of funding because of austerity and so our towns and cities have suffered.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #45
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    fill in the both canals and run high speed rail lines on it
    What do you think would happen to the water that normally flows through these canals?

    Where exactly will it go?:D


  • #46
    Mary63
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    Patrick Kavanagh will turn in his grave if we fill in the canals."Oh,commemorate me where there is water".

    Thats a ridiculous suggestion.


  • #47
    suicide_circus
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    All this....and they're removing the USC....1/3 of working people already pay NO income tax and the government are getting rid of a progressive catch all revenue stream in order to buy another election.

    This at a time when we still have enormous national debt, with the uncertainty of Brexit looming round the corner for which we have no money put aside (much less a plan), with our young people barely able to house themselves, with every single one of our teachers, garda, nurses, public servants looking for money owed while all being paid with borrowed money anyway.

    Precarious isn't the word. We lurch from crisis to fiasco. Planning, oversight, strategy, prudence - these are words which have no meaning in an Irish context. We're all happy for successive governments to buy our votes with the crumbs they offer paid for with borrowed money that our children will have to pay back. Each sector of society more than ready to throw their neighbour under the bus for a pittance.

    If you want nice things, you have to pay for them. This means EVERY SINLGE person earning a cent has to contribute. The current system whereby everything earned over 33k is taxed at 51% while 1/3 of people pay nothing is stupid beyond belief. The same populist pirates who endorse this cluster*ck of a tax system are the same ones demanding Scandinavian style services and infrastructure. Their cretinism beggars belief.


  • #48
    snubbleste
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    Are you saying That Joe Duffy is right when he says Dublin is an UNADULTERATED KIP?


  • #49
    Jawgap
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    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    Dublin needs an elected Mayor. Hard to see how the city will ever get a coherent plan otherwise.

    A purely pointless exercise because there is no way the Dept of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government will vest in the office the executive powers necessary to make a difference, nor will they give the necessary spending powers in case it becomes a power-base that threatens them or the government - someone with a mandate from over a quarter of the population would represent a significant political force, and that won't be acceptable to the government.

    If we do get a directly elected executive mayor for the capital, they'll probably only have very limited executive powers.


  • #50
    smurgen
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    511 wrote: »
    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    We could be have been European Singapore if we really wanted to with top class infrastructure and living standards but the chance will be lost. So frustrating.

    You'd have to migrate everybody to Dublin to be like Singapore. High density city-states are easier to manage and are very prosperous.

    A major problem in this country is parish pump politics. With about 35 - 40% of our population living rural, we have too many TDs looking after rural areas while neglecting Dublin. There's no future in rural Ireland, it can't be fixed. All the companies want to set up in urban areas. The trend is towards urbanization and most industrialized nations have small rural populations.

    We need to cancel the rollout of fibre optic to rural areas and gradually remove subsidies to rural-dwellers, just bankrupt them of of their cozy lifestyle.
    Cork is the highest GDP per person in Europe, not just Ireland. Maybe we should just pull our subsidies from Dublin and bankrupt them? http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/revealed-the-county-that-generates-the-most-revenue-in-the-state-35031768.html


  • #51
    Snakeblood
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    Are you saying That Joe Duffy is right when he says Dublin is an UNADULTERATED KIP?

    Maybe it's just an adulterated kip?


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  • #52
    Sierra Oscar
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Fianna fail stupidity in building 2 separate lines in the first place

    There was massive opposition to the BXD connection (which is now Cross City) in the city centre. Residents and businesses alike lobbied frantically against the proposal.

    A decision was then made to proceed with the Red Line & Green Line without the BXD connection. If they waited then the Red & Green Line would have been delayed by a few years due to objections.

    Luas Cross City is causing a mess in the city centre at the moment, but this time next year it will already be up and running.


  • #53
    SteM
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Luas Cross City is causing a mess in the city centre at the moment, but this time next year it will already be up and running.

    Maybe, but I'm still trying to see that huge benefit it will bring to the city.


  • #54
    Sierra Oscar
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    SteM wrote: »
    Maybe, but I'm still trying to see that huge benefit it will bring to the city.

    It'll create an uninterrupted line from Broombridge in the north side of the city to Bride's Glen in Wicklow, with the option to change for a tram travelling as far out as Saggart.

    It's better than what we have at the moment.


  • #55
    Fratton Fred
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    smurgen wrote: »
    Cork is the highest GDP per person in Europe, not just Ireland. Maybe we should just pull our subsidies from Dublin and bankrupt them? http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/revealed-the-county-that-generates-the-most-revenue-in-the-state-35031768.html

    Stick Apple in any town in Ireland and it would have the highest GDP per person.


  • #56
    SteM
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    It'll create an uninterrupted line from Broombridge in the north side of the city to Bride's Glen in Wicklow, with the option to change for a tram travelling as far out as Saggart.

    It's better than what we have at the moment.

    I know what it will do - I said I don't see the benefit.


  • #57
    Snakeblood
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    SteM wrote: »
    I know what it will do - I said I don't see the benefit.

    It allows infrastructure, housing and businesses to be developed further afield as they'll have a train system allowing speedy access that isn't reliant on cars.


  • #58
    beggars_bush
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Stick Apple in any town in Ireland and it would have the highest GDP per person.

    Except Longford
    it'd still be a hole


  • #59
    Sierra Oscar
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    SteM wrote: »
    I know what it will do - I said I don't see the benefit.

    There's a pretty substantial cost-benefit analysis available here. They don't start projects like this just for the craic in fairness.


  • #60
    Dravokivich
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    Snakeblood wrote: »
    It allows infrastructure, housing and businesses to be developed further afield as they'll have a train system allowing speedy access that isn't reliant on cars.

    Luas has only been laid down in already developed areas. Even with that, Fatima went through extensive re-development on the back of the red line, but very little has come of it


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  • #61
    SteM
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    There's a pretty substantial cost-benefit analysis available here. They don't start projects like this just for the craic in fairness.

    Thanks but someone took tippex to that document a long time ago :)

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