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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Looks like an act of vandalism against Trump's Walk of Fame Star.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/10/donald-trump-walk-of-fame-star-smashed

    This should be condemned as anyone would expect the same if it was done against Clinton.

    Not news tbh

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-donald-trump-walk-of-fame-star-20160404-story.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Overheal wrote: »

    It is since the slab is completely defaced this time. It will have to be redone or else another star's name is placed there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Overheal wrote: »
    Isn't it so refreshing to see everyday Americans no longer feel censored or held back, and just telling it like it is and showing us how they really feel inn relation to Trump? :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Indeed, but if you look at the post I was replying to I was just pointing out that that those views existed and were much more prevalent in the 90's.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Was Colin Powell elected ? Condi Rice , Rahm Emanuel , George Marshall etc etc - I don't get your point here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,457 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    marienbad wrote: »
    Was Colin Powell elected ? Condi Rice , Rahm Emanuel , George Marshall etc etc - I don't get your point here

    First Lady is not a position that holds any power in American government. Not an appointed figure, not head of a Department. Nada, zip, zilch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Instead of being a wallflower in charge of decorating the White House and smiling for the cameras ambitious Hillary Clinton rolled up her sleves and got involved in policy making. Fair play to her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    First Lady is not a position that holds any power in American government. Not an appointed figure, not head of a Department. Nada, zip, zilch.

    Can you show a way in which she demonstrably abused her role as first lady? Or is this going to be another one on the list of terrible things Hillary has done but with nothing to backup.

    Eleanor Roosevelt did a lot as the First Lady, held press conferences regulary, engaged in activism including on issues of race. Are you guys similarly outraged about the fact that she was a highly influential first lady? In fact, basically entirely adapted the role that first ladies would hold in the future. So to extend the logic, she was as crooked as Hillary was as first lady while her husband held office. :D Personally, I think she was fantastic. Roles change, get over it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,457 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    20Cent wrote: »
    Instead of being a wallflower in charge of decorating the White House and smiling for the cameras ambitious Hillary Clinton rolled up her sleves and got involved in policy making. Fair play to her.

    Eh, no. If she wanted to be involved in policy making, she should have sought elected office or appointment to a relevant Department. You know, like everyone else does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Eh, no. If she wanted to be involved in policy making, she should have sought elected office or appointment to a relevant Department. You know, like everyone else does.

    Yeah, this seems to have made her so unpopular she went on to become a senator and next month President.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Not exactly the same system of government


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Permabear wrote: »
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    All the first ladies have worked on political issues it's nothing new.
    Just the hatred towards HRC is so strong.

    If she did nothing while first lady ye'd be using that against her now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Sabina Higgins has discussed the likes of abortion since Michael D Higgins became president. I fully support her right not to be sitting on a mantelpiece and keeping stum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Permabear wrote: »
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    They're about to elect her President so it must have worked.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Permabear wrote: »
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    I'm interested to the court ruling you mention "she won a court ruling stating that the First Lady was a de facto federal official, in order to give herself a powerful role in high policymaking." can you link to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Can you show a way in which she demonstrably abused her role as first lady? Or is this going to be another one on the list of terrible things Hillary has done but with nothing to backup.

    Eleanor Roosevelt did a lot as the First Lady, held press conferences regulary, engaged in activism including on issues of race. Are you guys similarly outraged about the fact that she was a highly influential first lady? In fact, basically entirely adapted the role that first ladies would hold in the future. So to extend the logic, she was as crooked as Hillary was as first lady while her husband held office. :D Personally, I think she was fantastic. Roles change, get over it.

    She was basically President towards the end!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Eh, no. If she wanted to be involved in policy making, she should have sought elected office or appointment to a relevant Department. You know, like everyone else does.

    Why ? that is not how the US system works - and it was known before the election that she would have a hands on role .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    I'm interested to the court ruling you mention "she won a court ruling stating that the First Lady was a de facto federal official, in order to give herself a powerful role in high policymaking." can you link to it.

    It was a ruling that stemmed from an appeal against her role on a Clinton administration task force, so it didn't come from her seeking any new role as First Lady. The naysayers appeal just ended up confirming that the First Lady had the same status as other presidential appointees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Lirange


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Saw it on youtube this morning.

    Before this election I thought Kelly was further right but seems to be fairly central now.

    Perhaps the drama she had with Trump at the start or Ailes departure may have shifted her leftwards.

    I doubt she has shifted "leftwards." That it even seems that way is an indictment on just how tits up things have gone. O'Reilly is a lickarse who after being initially wary of DT out of the gate now panders to his crowd because he really does only care about his ratings. Although Hannity is just a nutbar who genuinely does like Trump and his platform.

    Kelly is solid right but the one caveat is that she's big on women's issues. Genuinely so, always has been, and she loves to emasculate boorish thickos like BillO when she's crossed. Apparently not all traditional conservative voting women in the USA take a cro-magnon bible belt approach certainly not the "coastal elite" corporate conservative types.

    From a few years ago:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Come on Permabear , you can do better than that ! HRC was also appointed by the president .

    You are allowing your dislike of her to cloud your reasoning


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Permabear wrote: »
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    It does show she's more popular than Trump though. Which is just popular enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    K-9 wrote: »
    She was basically President towards the end!
    True that, she was a pretty amazing individual.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    True that, she was a pretty amazing individual.

    Nancy Reagan "just say no to drugs", was also a big influence on government and pretty much president towards the end.


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