2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Christy42 · 25-10-2016 01:32PM

Billy86 wrote: »

You have to wonder if the irony in these kinds of posts is intentional or not, considering the well known and proven lies of James O'Keeffe (among others..........) and their unwillingness to release the full video despite the person they are trying to smear saying they should.

Why does James o'keefe/Veritas not want anyone to see the full video?

Why indeed. :rolleyes:

I am sure the IRS is simply auditing the full video and that is why he doesn't release it.

Or that it is all a hoax from the Chinese.

Or we could ask Hannrity as he has seen the full video.

Amerika · 25-10-2016 01:33PM

Trump should put Gloria Alverez on stage at every rally from now to election day. And she should beseech the millions of immigrants in America to watch this video of why immigrants fled broken societies led by bad government policies, and why it is so crazy to support those same policies when they get here.

https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/immigrants-dont-vote-what-you-fled

alastair · 25-10-2016 01:44PM

Amerika wrote: »

The three recent Project Veritas videos underscore the democrats propensity to lie to us just to get elected, the inciting of violence in the campaign, and their disregard for campaign laws.

No actual laws broken.
No 'incitement' to violence - that reaction to bird-dogging is entirely down to the knuckle-dragger Trump supporters.
Which 'lies' have you discerned in these videos that get Democrats elected?

As I said - it's damp squib material.

alastair · 25-10-2016 01:50PM

Amerika wrote: »

Trump should put Gloria Alverez on stage at every rally from now to election day. And she should beseech the millions of immigrants in America to watch this video of why immigrants fled broken societies led by bad government policies, and why it is so crazy to support those same policies when they get here.

https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/immigrants-dont-vote-what-you-fled

Hmm:

In short, you came to the United States to participate in what Americans call the American Dream. But have you ever asked yourself: Why is the United States so free, so much less corrupt, and so much more affluent than any Latin American country?

The answer lies first and foremost in the unique American belief in limited government. Why? Because the smaller the government, the less the corruption. And the smaller the government, the more individual freedom and personal responsibility.

Let's see how those 'small governments' do on the corruption charts, compared to social democratic and 'nanny state' systems then:

Amerika · 25-10-2016 01:57PM

alastair wrote: »

Hmm:

Let's see how those 'small governments' do on the corruption charts, compared to social democratic and 'nanny state' systems then:

That sure looks good on PAPER. But the simple fact is immigrants are fleeing their home countries to come primarily to the United States, not those countries on the top of your chart.

Sam Russell · 25-10-2016 02:00PM

Amerika wrote: »

That sure looks good on PAPER. But the simple fact is immigrants are fleeing their home countries to come primarily to the United States, not those countries on the top of your chart.

I think a lot are heading to the EU, with Germany and the UK being particularly favoured. US is only favoured by South Americans, probably because it is nearer.

Amerika · 25-10-2016 02:02PM

alastair wrote: »

No actual laws broken.
No 'incitement' to violence - that reaction to bird-dogging is entirely down to the knuckle-dragger Trump supporters.
Which 'lies' have you discerned in these videos that get Democrats elected?

As I said - it's damp squib material.

Let's just look at the latest video. Hillary Clinton violated federal election campaign laws after she ok'd the use of Donald Duck costumes at Trump rallies.

And I can understand the Left saying there is nothing to see here. They seem to feel it’s quite okay to circumvent the law to achieve their goals, or outright ignore the laws they don’t agree with.

alastair · 25-10-2016 02:06PM

Amerika wrote: »

That sure looks good on PAPER. But the simple fact is immigrants are fleeing their home countries to come primarily to the United States, not those countries on the top of your chart.

It looks good on paper, because it's been transcribed from actual criteria common across all the states. Not a big shock that Guatemalans are heading to the US as opposed to Finland, but it really highlights the nonsense of some manner of US exceptionalism on corruption due to 'small government'. If anything, greater government oversight in social and welfare issues seems to offer a clearer path to less state corruption.

alastair · 25-10-2016 02:07PM

Amerika wrote: »

Lest just look at the latest video. Hillary Clinton violated federal election campaign laws after she ok'd the use of Donald Duck costumes at Trump rallies.

Are you managing to keep a straight face with that nonsense? Really?

Billy86 · 25-10-2016 02:12PM

Amerika wrote: »

That sure looks good on PAPER. But the simple fact is immigrants are fleeing their home countries to come primarily to the United States, not those countries on the top of your chart.

non sequitur
nɒn ˈsɛkwɪtə/
noun
a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
"his weird mixed metaphors and non sequiturs"

Zubeneschamali · 25-10-2016 02:22PM

Amerika wrote: »

Hillary Clinton violated federal election campaign laws after she ok'd the use of Donald Duck costumes at Trump rallies.

Wow - lock her up!

Amerika · 25-10-2016 02:23PM

alastair wrote: »

Are you managing to keep a straight face with that nonsense? Really?

Absolutely! We have laws against coordination between candidates and PACs. Unfortunately for us, Hillary Clinton doesn’t seem to think many of our laws apply to her and are only meant for us mere mortals.

RobertKK · 25-10-2016 04:31PM

It seemed in Austin Texas that Taylor Swift was more favoured for the Presidency that Clinton or Trump.
She performed at the F1 race weekend, and before the concert started the cameras were showing the fans - around 100,000 people at the F1 and concert, anyway, someone had a poster with Clinton, Trump and Swift with a box for voting after their name and it was ticked for Swift, which got a massive cheer, which didn't say much for with Clinton or Trump.
The cheer was so loud that they went back to the poster for a second time and got a similar reaction.
The thing is the US election has two such unpopular people, that is Miss Swift had run for the presidency she would have given the two unpopular front runners a go for their money.

Quin_Dub · 25-10-2016 05:02PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It seemed in Austin Texas that Taylor Swift was more favoured for the Presidency that Clinton or Trump.
She performed at the F1 race weekend, and before the concert started the cameras were showing the fans - around 100,000 people at the F1 and concert, anyway, someone had a poster with Clinton, Trump and Swift with a box for voting after their name and it was ticked for Swift, which got a massive cheer, which didn't say much for with Clinton or Trump.
The cheer was so loud that they went back to the poster for a second time and got a similar reaction.
The thing is the US election has two such unpopular people, that is Miss Swift had run for the presidency she would have given the two unpopular front runners a go for their money.

Really?

Taylor Swift fans at a Taylor Swift gig, loudly cheer an ironic poster suggesting they vote Taylor for President and you think that's a valid measure of the popularity of Trump/Clinton??

Not suggesting that both candidates don't have "likability" issues , they absolutely do , but the above is seriously weak...

Permabear · 25-10-2016 05:35PM

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Christy42 · 25-10-2016 05:37PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It seemed in Austin Texas that Taylor Swift was more favoured for the Presidency that Clinton or Trump.
She performed at the F1 race weekend, and before the concert started the cameras were showing the fans - around 100,000 people at the F1 and concert, anyway, someone had a poster with Clinton, Trump and Swift with a box for voting after their name and it was ticked for Swift, which got a massive cheer, which didn't say much for with Clinton or Trump.
The cheer was so loud that they went back to the poster for a second time and got a similar reaction.
The thing is the US election has two such unpopular people, that is Miss Swift had run for the presidency she would have given the two unpopular front runners a go for their money.

Pop star more popular than politicians shocker. I am not sure I have to words to describe how much that isn't a story.

I guarantee the same result.if repeated 20 years from now with the next version of Taylor Swift and the candidates then.

K-9 · 25-10-2016 06:32PM

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I listened to a great podcast about the American welfare system a few months back, might have been Reveal, but the impression I got was the 90's bill was very aimed at single parent families and there seemed to be a lot of Republican influence around things like marriage counseling and things like that.

Money also goes on university fees, even those on relatively high incomes. They did a funny interview with a family who originally were all for welfare cuts. When it was explained them to them that their daughter's uni fees were part subsidized by the welfare budget...

Quin_Dub · 25-10-2016 07:19PM

So - As of this morning, RealClearPolitics has Clinton at 272, Trump at 126 and Toss-ups at 140.

The have moved Minnesota from "Toss-up" to "Leans Dem" , with Clinton having an average 5 point lead there.

Permabear · 25-10-2016 07:40PM

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ancapailldorcha · 25-10-2016 07:41PM

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Broken is right. If she wins, it means 4 of the last 5 presidents will have come from 2 families. Madness in a country as diverse as the US.

RobertKK · 25-10-2016 07:42PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Really?

Taylor Swift fans at a Taylor Swift gig, loudly cheer an ironic poster suggesting they vote Taylor for President and you think that's a valid measure of the popularity of Trump/Clinton??

Not suggesting that both candidates don't have "likability" issues , they absolutely do , but the above is seriously weak...

Most of the people were motorsport fans who attended a free concert.

B_Wayne · 25-10-2016 07:45PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Most of the people were motorsport fans who attended a free concert.

I'd be betting there were plenty of Taylor Swift fans at her concert.....

RobertKK · 25-10-2016 07:47PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Maybe not voting would be the moral choice, passed through your swing state yesterday.
It will be sad when Hillary wins and proves she is still as incompetent as when she was Secretary of State.

RobertKK · 25-10-2016 07:49PM

B_Wayne wrote: »

I'd be betting there were plenty of Taylor Swift fans at her concert.....

Yes, but there was a massive crowd on Sunday for Usher and The Roots.

Billy86 · 25-10-2016 07:50PM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Broken is right. If she wins, it means 4 of the last 5 presidents will have come from 2 families. Madness in a country as diverse as the US.

While it is a good point and very much a problem, it's also not that new. The best example is FDR, probably the best president the US has ever had, was related to ELEVEN other Presidents.

Permabear · 25-10-2016 07:59PM

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Billy86 · 25-10-2016 08:04PM

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There really are not many doing that at all to be honest, if you've been keeping track. It's a matter of her vs Trump as far as the thread is mainly concerned, and as you agree that's a decision that makes itself by default. The fact she couldn't pull away from him in the polls at times (I think he even held the lead for one day in the campaign) says a lot - it's the far, far, far less worse of two bad options.

Overheal · 25-10-2016 08:09PM

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Not sure, but I'd vote out the gaggle that decided that 'bathroom bill' was worthwhile.

Asheville's always grand for a saturday excursion. Never not a line for the chocolate cafe' though, the gf was disappointed.

Christy42 · 25-10-2016 08:09PM

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This is what keeps the 2 party system going and why 3rd party candidates lose so much support in the final weeks. That said I agree with her (and think Hillary would be better than Johnson).

Still I can't help but wonder how much of a better candidate other parties could get if they had a chance. Imagine PR in the states where you could vote green and still have Hillary as no.2 to ensure your anti Trump vote.

I mean I would never vote Stein but think under this system other parties might be able to find decent candidates as the saner elements of the left/right wouldn't be driven towards the main parties.

ebbsy · 25-10-2016 08:09PM

RobertKK wrote: »

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Maybe not voting would be the moral choice, passed through your swing state yesterday.
It will be sad when Hillary wins and proves she is still as incompetent as when she was Secretary of State.[/quote]

Watch out you might get a ban for saying that.

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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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