Is Airbnb affecting Dublin's Rental market?

VinLieger · 25-10-2016 01:45PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

Tinder, no. Uber maybe.

You know the way b&bs are regulated? That. B&Bs started by people renting out a room and throwing in a breakfast (their property right?) and now is totally regulated.

That's the way it works. And it wasn't socially disputive but it did change the nature of people's houses to become temporary hotels. So it was regulated.

The app economy is no different.

And your solution is to make things illegal instead of regulate? Again why blame the service cus government continually fails to keep pace with technology by adequately regulating the new business it makes possible?

If the solution to every new business model made possible by tomorrows technology is to automatically view it with suspicion and potentially ban it because regulations arent automatically ready for it why would anyone bother creating anything new?

Harvey Normal · 25-10-2016 02:10PM

VinLieger wrote: »

And your solution is to make things illegal instead of regulate? Again why blame the service cus government continually fails to keep pace with technology by adequately regulating the new business it makes possible?

I'd ban it or regulate it very heavily. And adequately regulating airbnb is what is needed.

If the solution to every new business model made possible by tomorrows technology is to automatically view it with suspicion and potentially ban it because regulations arent automatically ready for it why would anyone bother creating anything new?

You are arguing your own straw man here. We aren't talking about "every new business model" but the ones that are problematic. People will create new things because they hope to make money and not get banned or regulated out of existence. Most won't be regulated.

ohnonotgmail · 25-10-2016 02:20PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

More interesting would be what would Shakin Stevens have done about this.

paint the front door green obviously.

VinLieger · 25-10-2016 02:36PM

Harvey Normal wrote: »

I'd ban it or regulate it very heavily. And adequately regulating airbnb is what is needed.

You are arguing your own straw man here. We aren't talking about "every new business model" but the ones that are problematic. People will create new things because they hope to make money and not get banned or regulated out of existence. Most won't be regulated.

Why does Airbnb need to be regulated? By all accounts the people who are causing problems by using it are already breaking other regulations so why are they not being targeted for that? Also the majority of Airbnb users are probably doing so in good faith, should they be punished for the actions of a minority?

I am not arguing with a straw man as you have yet to define what you deem "problematic" and have literally stated earlier we should make socially disruptive apps illegal without properly defining what is socially disruptive or adequately explaining why its a bad thing. Also that kind of blanket "change is bad" thinking is exactly what stifles new business ventures and ideas, social disruption is good as it moves society forwards by challenging current ideas and asking is this the right way to do things?

Harvey Normal · 25-10-2016 06:47PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Why does Airbnb need to be regulated? By all accounts the people who are causing problems by using it are already breaking other regulations so why are they not being targeted for that? Also the majority of Airbnb users are probably doing so in good faith, should they be punished for the actions of a minority?

I am not arguing with a straw man as you have yet to define what you deem "problematic" and have literally stated earlier we should make socially disruptive apps illegal without properly defining what is socially disruptive or adequately explaining why its a bad thing. Also that kind of blanket "change is bad" thinking is exactly what stifles new business ventures and ideas, social disruption is good as it moves society forwards by challenging current ideas and asking is this the right way to do things?

Look let me explain logically.

It is problematic because it affects an already over heated rental market.

It's not a minority of users it's the fact that in a tight rental market long term housing should be prioritised over short term housing.

Because I want to regulate socially disputive apps this isn't a demand that all apps or ideas be regulated. Most are fine.

Social disruption isn't always good

Dyr · 25-10-2016 06:59PM

Map of airbnb rentals

https://qgiscloud.com/eoinomahony/airbnb_august_data

from here:
https://53degrees.wordpress.com/2016/10/21/august-snapshot-of-dublins-airbnb/

Elliott S · 25-10-2016 08:00PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

It's pointless deflecting any criticism by simnply acknowledging bigger contributory factors to the rent crisis such as private and social house building. The fact is that Airbnb certainly isn't helping matters.

Plus if I bought an apartment beside what I presumed to be owner-occupied or long-term rental unit, I'd be severely displeased to learn that it was going to have a rapid turnover of essentially unvetted tourist tenants.

All of this. It's not just about taking properties out of the rental market. It's about people having the right to peaceful living if they live in a residential development.

COH · 25-10-2016 08:19PM

Me and my other half moved into a two bed in Rathmines paying 1400, three months later it was 1600, when it came to renewing that lease were told it would be 1800...

We both loved living there, both worked in the area etc. but just couldn't afford it so we left and now share a house out in south co. Dublin with two other people.

Heard the other day from a friend who still lives there that of the 24 apartments in the block 20 are now reserved for air B'n'B and that they pushed the rent up on the remaining 4 to 2200 a month. They now have to move, probably have to find another school for their young child, meanwhile the apartment block (which only a year ago was filled with young professionals and the likes) is now full of students and stag partys.

The_Valeyard · 25-10-2016 08:41PM

Heard about this on Newstalk, when your one was finished getting offended and outraged about something else.

They had a speaker from Temple Bar where AirBnB had some agreement with a landlord and hotel. It sounds like tenants who are long term are put through absolute hell. Stag parties, fights, sexual harassment. Seems like a war zone.

25-10-2016 11:32PM

Airbnb dwellings in Dublin. Shocking. How anyone could dispute that this isn't having an impact, I don't know. Not the only factor, sure, but definitely significant.

Filmer Paradise · 29-10-2016 12:15AM

likij wrote: »

One man on liveline today claimed to be subletting 40 rooms. Surely can't be good. Articles available on IT and indo. I can't link as I'm a new user.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »

What would Stalin have done about this?

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Ah now, that's pretty obvious. He would use his well known programming of :

'Greater Understanding & Learning Association Group'

bodhrandude wrote: »

More interesting would be what would Shakin Stevens have done about this.

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

He mentioned something about being unable to mend the shingles, floor, hinges and window panes in his own house.

I like you're work there lads.:D

Is Airbnb affecting Dublin's Rental market?

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