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Is Airbnb affecting Dublin's Rental market?

  • 24-10-2016 11:02PM
    #1
    likij
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭


    One man on liveline today claimed to be subletting 40 rooms. Surely can't be good. Articles available on IT and indo. I can't link as I'm a new user.


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  • #2
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,163 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    The fact that there has been hardly any building for years, with zero social, and Dublin's economy is picking up is the cause of the rental increases, Airbnb is just a good excuse for the people who made the mess to blame.


  • #3
    Roger Mellie Man on the Telly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Roger Mellie Man on the Telly


    What would Stalin have done about this?


  • #4
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Good thread here
    Del2005 wrote: »
    The fact that there has been hardly any building for years, with zero social, and Dublin's economy is picking up is the cause of the rental increases, Airbnb is just a good excuse for the people who made the mess to blame.

    Do you really think this kind of behaviour is having no impact whatsoever given how stretched the rental market already is?


  • #5
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »
    What would Stalin have done about this?

    Through the front door of the courthouse and straight out the back door followed by a bullet in the back of the head


  • #6
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »
    What would Stalin have done about this?

    Ah now, that's pretty obvious. He would use his well known programming of :

    'Greater Understanding & Learning Association Group'


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  • #7
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Through the front door of the courthouse and straight out the back door followed by a bullet in the back of the head

    To be fair, Stalin loved a great theatrical trial.


  • #8
    foggy_lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    To be fair, Stalin loved a great theatrical trial.

    Only because it showed the serfs that no matter how right they were or how much evidence they had of their guilt Innocence the state's prosecution would show them that they were wrong, Always, and the back door was always on the latch:D


  • #9
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,311 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Only because it showed the serfs that no matter how right they were or how much evidence they had of their guilt the state's prosecution would show them that they were wrong, Always, and the back door was always on the latch:D
    "The more innocent they are, the more they deserve to be shot." - Bertolt Brecht


  • #10
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,325 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »
    What would Stalin have done about this?

    More interesting would be what would Shakin Stevens have done about this.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #11
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,163 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    Good thread here

    Do you really think this kind of behaviour is having no impact whatsoever given how stretched the rental market already is?

    It's having an effect, but not as much as the lack of construction of homes for the last few years and social housing for longer.


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  • #12
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    More interesting would be what would Shakin Stevens have done about this.
    He mentioned something about being unable to mend the shingles, floor, hinges and window panes in his own house.


  • #13
    somesoldiers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭somesoldiers


    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    He mentioned something about being unable to mend the shingles, floor, hinges and window panes in his own house.

    Well it was old (ole)....


  • #14
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,687 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    It's pointless deflecting any criticism by simnply acknowledging bigger contributory factors to the rent crisis such as private and social house building. The fact is that Airbnb certainly isn't helping matters.

    Plus if I bought an apartment beside what I presumed to be owner-occupied or long-term rental unit, I'd be severely displeased to learn that it was going to have a rapid turnover of essentially unvetted tourist tenants.


  • #15
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    We're so badly stretched that even if it's a few hundred properties taken out of the rental market in Dublin for airbnb purposes, it's having a negative impact on people who want to live and work here.


  • #16
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I agree we should make all innovative and disruptive new businesses illegal cus our government is too slow to adapt regulations for them. Only logical solution to be honest


  • #17
    Harvey Normal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Harvey Normal


    andekwarhola wrote: »
    It's pointless deflecting any criticism by simnply acknowledging bigger contributory factors to the rent crisis such as private and social house building. The fact is that Airbnb certainly isn't helping matters.

    Plus if I bought an apartment beside what I presumed to be owner-occupied or long-term rental unit, I'd be severely displeased to learn that it was going to have a rapid turnover of essentially unvetted tourist tenants.

    Absolutely. Management companies are banning this.


  • #18
    Harvey Normal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Harvey Normal


    VinLieger wrote: »
    I agree we should make all innovative and disruptive new businesses illegal cus our government is too slow to adapt regulations for them. Only logical solution to be honest

    Not all. But the ones that are socially disruptive.

    I wonder why the average AH poster is relaxed about this. Most living at home with mammy?


  • #19
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    VinLieger wrote: »
    I agree we should make all innovative and disruptive new businesses illegal cus our government is too slow to adapt regulations for them. Only logical solution to be honest
    strawman. The question was whether airbnb has an effect, not if it was the cause of the housing crisis. besides, if your property is residential, you would need planning permission to use it for business purposes, just because airbnb have gotten away with it up to now dosnt make it any less illegal.


  • #20
    Advbrd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Advbrd


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    strawman. The question was whether airbnb has an effect, not if I was the cause of the housing crisis. besides, if your property is residential, you would need planning permission to use it for business purposes, just because airbnb have gotten away with it up to now dosnt make it any less illegal.

    You were the cause of the housing crisis, close thread.


  • #21
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Fixed :p


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  • #22
    jimmy blevins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭jimmy blevins


    The tech sector is pushing the casual and deregulated business model hard, it's not just taxi drivers who's livelihoods are at risk.


  • #23
    Dravokivich
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    likij wrote: »
    One man on liveline today claimed to be subletting 40 rooms. Surely can't be good. Articles available on IT and indo. I can't link as I'm a new user.

    Hard to say based on the actions of 1 guy subletting via AirBNB.

    If it was landlords who removed their properties from the rental market, to use AirBNB, then that might be something to discuss.


  • #24
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,687 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    VinLieger wrote: »
    I agree we should make all innovative and disruptive new businesses illegal cus our government is too slow to adapt regulations for them. Only logical solution to be honest

    I'm all for new businesses and people making a few quid but you have to balance your right to make money with disrupting others if your home business may disrupt other owners.

    And in terms of properties in managed developments, you are more than likely explicitly contravening the contractual agreement that you signed when you bought into the management company so it's very much the business of the other residents.


  • #25
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Harvey Normal wrote: »
    Not all. But the ones that are socially disruptive.

    LOL hilarious, so we make tinder illegal? What about uber? These both could be described as socially disruptive but in vastly different ways


  • #26
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    andekwarhola wrote: »
    I'm all for new businesses and people making a few quid but you have to balance your right to make money with disrupting others if your home business may disrupt other owners.

    And in terms of properties in managed developments, you are more than likely explicitly contravening the contarctual agreement that you signed when you bought into the management company so it's very much the business of the other residents.

    Well then its up to people to report such illegal behaviour but blaming the service that makes it possible instead of the people abusing the law by using said service is illogical


  • #27
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,687 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Well then its up to people to report such illegal behaviour but blaming the service that makes it possible instead of the people abusing the law by using said service is illogical

    Disruption doesn't have to involve illegality. And the rapid turnover of tenants makes reporting issues on a individual basis meaningless. Somebody causes trouble and they're gone the next day.

    And airbnb itself cannot be held accountable unless you have an authority like the management company or the law directly address it.

    Like it or not, your right to make money doesn't trump the rights of owners around you. All you want is some valve like 'reporting incidents' to kick the can down the road so you can make a few quid.

    In the case of managed companies, people willingly signed contracts that made them part of a management company but then start whinging when they're subject to the wishes of other residents. Tough. Just find another outlet for your entrepreneurial bent.


  • #28
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    andekwarhola wrote: »
    Disruption doesn't have to involve illegality. And the rapid turnover of tenants makes reporting issues meaningless. Somebody causes trouble and they're gone the next day.

    Like it or not, your right to make money doesn't trump the rights of owners around you.

    In the case of managed companies, people willingly signed contracts that made them part of a management company but then start whinging when they're subject to the wishes of other residents. Tough. Just find another outlet for your entrepreneurial bent.

    Im saying report the owners of the properties if as you say they are breaking contracts they signed. Again blaming the service they are using instead of the people is illogical

    I know very well what disruptive means in relation to new business ideas and tech. It usually means people who are set in their ways get bent out of shape when they are shown to be stupid for not actively innovating and instead of matching said innovation try to push for it to be banned.


  • #29
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,687 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Im saying report the owners of the properties if as you say they are breaking contracts they signed.

    This is what's happened here, by the sounds of it.

    A lot of managment companies have rules (again, nobody forces people to buy a property in the management company that has these rules) that rule out using your property - or communal areas such as outside or apartment hallways - for business purposes. One of the main ones, for example, would be running car repairs outside your property but you can see how it would extend to this as well.


  • #30
    Harvey Normal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Harvey Normal


    VinLieger wrote: »
    LOL hilarious, so we make tinder illegal? What about uber? These both could be described as socially disruptive but in vastly different ways

    Tinder, no. Uber maybe.

    You know the way b&bs are regulated? That. B&Bs started by people renting out a room and throwing in a breakfast (their property right?) and now is totally regulated.

    That's the way it works. And it wasn't socially disputive but it did change the nature of people's houses to become temporary hotels. So it was regulated.

    The app economy is no different.


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  • #31
    Harvey Normal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Harvey Normal


    andekwarhola wrote: »
    This is what's happened here, by the sounds of it.

    A lot of managment companies have rules (again, nobody forces people to buy a property in the management company that has these rules) that rule out using your property - or communal areas such as outside or apartment hallways - for business purposes. One of the main ones, for example, would be running car repairs outside your property but you can see how it would extend to this as well.

    And there are mortgage restrictions.


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