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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Week 17 roundup:

    Mon: Rest
    Tue: Rest :(
    Wed: 6.4km @ 5:52/km
    Thu: 0.6km @ 6:12/km :(
    Fri: Rest
    Sat: Rest :(
    Sun: Rest

    FML.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭kin9pin


    Week 17 roundup:

    Mon: Rest
    Tue: Rest :(
    Wed: 6.4km @ 5:52/km
    Thu: 0.6km @ 6:12/km :(
    Fri: Rest
    Sat: Rest :(
    Sun: Rest

    FML.

    How's the throat now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    kin9pin wrote: »
    How's the throat now?

    On the mend I think, same with the achilles. I think I'll be fine for the day itself, but the interruption to preparation is weighing heavy on my mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭andrew1977


    Silly question time..

    The pacers split times ,where can I find them please ?
    Is it a simple case of ..run with a pacer for 4 hours = a 2 hour half marathon or mixed up a bit ?

    I am interested the split times for the 4hour, 4.10 and 4.20 pacers..just divide by 2 ?

    Coming to the conclusion and wise decision I think, no point focusing on the clock for my first marathon attempt, the finish line is my goal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Week 17 roundup:

    Mon: Rest
    Tue: Rest :(
    Wed: 6.4km @ 5:52/km
    Thu: 0.6km @ 6:12/km :(
    Fri: Rest
    Sat: Rest :(
    Sun: Rest

    FML.
    kin9pin wrote: »
    How's the throat now?
    On the mend I think, same with the achilles. I think I'll be fine for the day itself, but the interruption to preparation is weighing heavy on my mind.

    Sorry to hear, Max... Mind yourself over the next week. You know you have the miles in the bank, so it doesn't have to be the end of the world. I would recommend altering expectations for the day itself slightly, just to account for the disrupted preparation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    andrew1977 wrote: »
    Silly question time..

    The pacers split times ,where can I find them please ?
    Is it a simple case of ..run with a pacer for 4 hours = a 2 hour half marathon or mixed up a bit ?

    I am interested the split times for the 4hour, 4.10 and 4.20 pacers..just divide by 2 ?

    Coming to the conclusion and wise decision I think, no point focusing on the clock for my first marathon attempt, the finish line is my goal.

    That is a very wise decision, andrew1977. That said, picking a realistic, yet conservative target time will help focus the mind and will see you traveling at a pace that you might, reasonably, expect to hold for most of the distance.

    UM1 (or any of the experienced pacers) might elaborate, but all pacers run an even-ish pace throughout. Their focus is on effort, so the harder miles that drag uphill might be a little slower, the easier downhills might be a little faster, but by and large, even pace. For the mid-way split, divide by 2 and subtract 30 seconds, 4h10 -> 2h04:30 or thereabouts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    nop98 wrote: »
    Sorry to hear, Max... Mind yourself over the next week. You know you have the miles in the bank, so it doesn't have to be the end of the world. I would recommend altering expectations for the day itself slightly, just to account for the disrupted preparation.

    Aye, I'm still going to go with the 4hr pacers but I've resigned myself to the fact that come 18-20 miles I might need to have a Plan B.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Who doesn't love a nice table!?!
    Please delete if you have other plans Nop.

    Table for the DCM 2016 Novices

    Bib No.| Username | PB | Predicted Time | Actual Time
    |diego_b|4:12:54|2:02:56|



    First person, please quote my post...remove the stuff before and after the table tags.
    Copy the line with my username...add yourself and remove me then.

    Also the Event thread on boards has a table if you want to pop yourself in there too.

    DCM 2016 thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    kittyclaws wrote: »
    Week 25 - Irish Runner Plan

    Mon: 4 miles easy (had done 21 on sat and legs were still very sore)
    Tue: Pilates
    Wed: 5 miles (legs still a bit stiff)
    Thur/Fri: Rest
    Sat: 6 miles. Had planned 8 miles but I tripped about 5 miles in and felt something pull in the arch of my foot. Tried to run it off but it was niggling and I didn't want to risk it.
    Sun: Foot still a bit niggly so rested instead of running 3 miles.

    Foot much better, still a bit of an ache but it's one I'd usually ignore if it wasn't so close to Marathon Day. Stretching and icing, I'll strap it up and it should be ok by tomorrow :)

    Wow at this :) Good going but only very very easy miles this week, okay! :) Mind those niggles and stiffness, the objective is to get to the startline fresh. Quite the turnaround from being in the infirmary only a few weeks ago, you're almost there.!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    diego_b wrote: »
    Who doesn't love a nice table!?!
    Please delete if you have other plans Nop.

    Table for the DCM 2016 Novices

    Bib No.| Username | PB | Predicted Time | Actual Time
    |diego_b|4:12:54|2:02:56|


    Good luck with the world record attempt! :eek::)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    diego_b wrote: »
    Who doesn't love a nice table!?!
    Please delete if you have other plans Nop.

    Table for the DCM 2016 Novices

    Bib No.| Username | PB | Predicted Time | Actual Time
    |diego_b|4:12:54|2:02:56|



    First person, please quote my post...remove the stuff before and after the table tags.
    Copy the line with my username...add yourself and remove me then.

    Also the Event thread on boards has a table if you want to pop yourself in there too.

    DCM 2016 thread
    Good luck with the world record attempt! :eek::)

    Indeed, Diego Kimetto is lining up too! :) (dream along here)

    Thanks for the table, we'll use that alright - the great hillsiderunner will provide updates throughout the big day from the comforts of the sofa..!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Good luck with the world record attempt! :eek::)

    Thanks Max, reckon I could lead the thing for a good 50 metres.
    This story gave me a smile.

    Who Was the Dad Leading the Boston Marathon at Mile One?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    It is the Monday of the week before ... ! :eek: :cool:

    Excitement has building all week and I have to say, I am starting to get a little nervous on behalf of all of you! I am really looking forward to see how you all will do on the day. Firedance and I are planning to be along the course (details to follow) and hopefully see you stride by on you way to that finishline.

    First, this weeks numbers. Hardly worth mentioning for seasoned mararthon bad-a$$es like you lot! :)
    Boards concludes with 2M easy | 5M (3@PMP) | 3M easy; and on Saturday, a couple of miles with some gentle strides*
    HHN1 concludes with 3M easy | 4M easy | 2M easy; and if you want to shake out the legs on Saturday with some miles at no more than LSR pace, go for it.
    *Strides are to be a very gentle accelaration for about 15 strides - only do these if you have been doing these before races in the past few months..

    Later in the week, I'll prepare a couple of more posts, for example, one which collates all race-course info I can find on boards (there's a ton of coursepreviews on boards). But for those of you who might be worried about having to tackle Dublins answer to Heartbreak Hill (which I think was first coined for the Boston Marathon), here's the description by boards legend yaboya, which every novice should remember. I will say no more.
    "I came around towards the famous Roebuck Hill and started to get a bit annoyed that it had such an unearned reputation. I saw people ahead of me stopping to a walk, so decided I wasn't putting up with this sh*t. I ran up it as fast as I could, through the Wall of Support trying to make eye contact with someone in the crowd so I could say: "Heartbreak Hill my b*%&@x".

    The last week before your first marathon, is the week of checklists! Here's a few:

    The week before - a.k.a. now! :confused:
    • PMA! You have probably all, subconciously, realized that a lot of this very long distance running is all between the ears. So, prepare for that! Postive mental attitude, or PMA as the cool kids say, is so important. Don't spend your week leading up worrying and fretting, spend it looking forward! This is going to be the such an awesome day, look forward to it.
    • Being a little nervous is good. Being too nervous is not good. If following this thread makes you extra nervous, then don't! Similarly, you can prepare by reading up or watching videos of the course, but don't if this makes you too nervous. It's meant to be enjoyable.
    • Are you sure you have all the stuff you need for the day, pre, during, and post-race? See check-list below.
    • Toenail Tuesday (or maybe Monday, since the marathon is a day earlier!). On Oct 24 or 25, give those bad-boys a once over well in advance of the race (not the morning itself). Check if there are sharp edges left on the sides of your toes.
    • Look after yourself. Especially this week! Don't change anything drastically (e.g. "carbo-loading"), but eat well, plenty of protein early in the week, and do switch focus to some more carb-intake in the final 72 hours. Nothing drastic! Remember the saying that you won't "make" your marathon in the last week, but you certainly can "break" it.
    • Do hydrate well throughout the week - follow the urine color check - but don't drink an awful lot on the morning of the race, you'll just need to get rid of it again. :)
    • Dubgal's favourite piece of advice: Bank as much sleep as you can. Early bed-time for all of you. Nobody on boards after 10pm this week! :p You will, however, get an extra hour extra the night before- you have a certain George Hudson to thank for that.
    • Plan for the day itself. What time does your wave start? What time to you want to be there? How are you going to get to Merrion Square at that time? There won't be much public transport that day, so make sure to think this through well.
    • Supporters check-list. Do you have people coming to cheer you on - in that case - do you have them well prepared? Do you know where they will be? It is best to be very specific - agree on a landmark or mile-marker, even on the side of the road you will look for them. Give your supporters an indication what time you will be passing by (use the pace-balloons as markers, if you're planning around 4h30, they don't need to look out for you when the 3h50 balloons are trundling by! Give them your bib-number so you can be tracked on the day.
    • If you want to meet them after the race, agree to a specific spot. There will be 1,000s of people on and around Merrion Square that morning / afternoon and getting around is not easy.
    • On Oct 28 or 29, you need to get to the Expo to pick-up your race bib. Don't wait until Saturday afternoon if you can avoid it. It will be yammers, also now, apparently, there's a Leinster home match at 5pm. Do look around the Expo a little, if you want, but don't spend hours standing around. Save those legs!
    • Once you know your bib number, post it here (hillsiderunner has already added a table and will be Chief Novice Tracker on Sunday, posting live updates to the thread), so we can follow you!

    The day before
    • Attach your bib to your shirt after filling in the contact details on the back. Do you remember the story from the runner collapsing during the half marathon? I am sure the family was glad the contact details were on the back of the big! Use 4 safety pins. Don't wait until the morning of the race, you won't be able to find the little buggers, let alone pin them on. Try on your shirt and make sure there are no sharp edges. Remember that if you want to reduce clothing on the day itself, you can't drop the layer carrying your bib.
    • Prepare your drop-bag. You will need to attach your number to the bag, you should have gotten that at the Expo (at least that's how it was last year). It is recommended to pack all your gear in a water-proof bag inside your drop-bag, as the drop-area is not covered. :rolleyes:
    • Charge your Garmin or relevant device. Make sure there is enough space on the device to record a 26.2M LSR. :)
    • Set your alarm! As is widely advertised, the clocks are going back one hour, (which is good!), but keep that in mind.
    • By now you have worked out how you'll get to town, right?

    The morning of the race
    • Make sure you know exactly what time it is. The clocks have gone back overnight!
    • Follow your normal pre-LSR preparation, same breakfast, shower, toilet routines. You're an old hand at this!
    • Say good morning here on boards. I am sure you won't be the only one. :)
    • Get to Merrion Square in time. You need time to drop-off your bags, go to the loo, find your running partner(s) if any, make your way to the correct starting pen. It will be very, very busy. In other words, give yourself plenty of time!

    Additional gear to bring with you
    • Pre-race extra clothing (to be packed in drop-bag or discard just before the race). It'll be cold and it might rain, so make sure you don't stand around for hours in shorts and t-shirt.
    • Post-race cloths. Warm tracksuit bottoms, dry t-shirt, sweater, deodorant, etc. Leave all this in your drop-bag so you can quickly change / add layers after the finish.
    • There will be post-race refreshments provided, but if you want something specific, make sure you pack it and bring it with you. All this can be left in your drop-bag.
    • Whatever else you need, e.g. some money, phone, leap-card (all at your own risk, obviously).

    Just before the race itself
    • Find your starting wave and then the right spot in the pack. Look out for the pacer-balloons, it will allow you to gauge if you are in the right spot.
    • Deep breaths. :) You have prepared well - most likely, better than most around you! Remember the PMA! This is when you need it most. Think about your planned race strategy - and savour the moment!
    • Just before the start, discard any clothing you might want to get rid off, but throw it over the fences, so it doesn't become a tripping hazard for others. Note the advice by denis_b, to use a bin bag with holes, to keep you dry in case its raining.
    • Say hello to folks around you, if you wish. Compare target times and race-plans. They are likely just as nervous as you :D, a little chat will go a long way to alleviate the nerves, and if you're lucky, you might find someone to run with for a few miles.
    • If you are planning to run with a pacer, when you have an opportunity, introduce yourself. They're nice guys and gals. Similarly, all these 100s of volunteers out there, bag-drop, start-waves, marshalling the course, handing out refreshments (and medals ;)). This race wouldn't happen without them. Just a "thanks" or "thumbs-up" would be appreciated!
    • Anthem, Mexican waves, starting gun and ... You're off, running your first marathon!

    Right, that's it. The gun has gone and you're running away. Your first marathon-finish is just a few hours away! I'm outa here! My job here is done! [slumps on sofa to eat pizza for the rest of the day]. :D

    Actually, it isn't. :D Here's a final checklist. :) If you remember to do just the following little tips during the day, then I'll be happy.

    During the race
    • Use the first 5-10 minutes of the run as warm-up. It's so busy that you can't speed up anyway. Be prepared to be slowed down to a walk at the first corner particularly - and pay attention to the traffic islands in the middle of the road. It will be busier than any other race you have ran in, so be careful not to trip anyone or get tripped yourself.
    • If you forget everything else, please please please don't forget this: Don't run too fast at the start. A minute ahead of target-time at halfway, has the habit of turning into 3 minutes behind target-time at the end. Remember, this will unchartered teritory for you, especially those last 5-6 miles - but it's not the distance that kills, it's the speed.
    • Run relaxed and in a straight line, don't rush, duck, and waive around people. There's plenty of miles to make up for "lost" time. Eventually it will thin out, but the first miles will be very busy.
    • Do regular checks for posture and proper running form. E.g. every second mile marker. Relax your shoulders, arms, face, hands. Let your arms hang for a few seconds, shake them out. How is your breathing? If it is too fast, you're going too fast.
    • 10M, 10M, and 10k. I think the great Murph_D elaborated on this thought a bit more, but essentially, break up your race in three manageable parts. See here.
    • When the going gets tough, is where your training kicks in. Trust your training! You have ran 100s of miles to prepae, the majority of these at slower than your pace today. You did that to prepare for today. Today is allowed to hurt (but after mid-way only!). Oh, no sharp pain, obviously. If you feel sharp pain, stop, and re-assess. There will be more marathons.
    • It's okay to change your mind about goals. Remember you [A], and [C] goals. If you feel more comfortable dropping from the pace group you had intended to follow, then do. This is why we're talking about different goals. You may well realize you need to re-focus, that your legs aren't there, that the conditions are too tough, and it's perfectly fine to do so.
    • Remember, you don't have to run next week. Empty that tank!
    • But - smile when you pass the timing mats (10k, HM, 30k, and final finish).. You're on camera!
    • See you in McGrattan's - likely towards the back near the pool-tables and the lower bar. We can't wait to hear all your stories!

    Lastly, I have been wanting to share this vid before. I know it does not have a lot to do with marathon running. But it happens to be my favourite inspirational running video. I will sheepishly admit to often watching it before a target race. Talk about bringing it home or what!



    That's it.
    Go bring it home, folks.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,638 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Great post, nop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭kittyclaws


    Thanks nop, I'm in work and had to hide in the loo to cry! :mad: :D:D Not watching that clip until I'm safe at home!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭boydkev


    I have a question for Post race, My wife is coming up to support. So am i better off using the bag drop or giving her my clothing and meet her at a specified place once i finish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    boydkev wrote: »
    I have a question for Post race, My wife is coming up to support. So am i better off using the bag drop or giving her my clothing and meet her at a specified place once i finish.

    Use the bag drop, it's conveniently placed for picking up your stuff after the race, and you don't want to be wandering around for ages looking for some warm clothes to put on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Still haven't managed to shake off this bug :mad:

    Only 6 days to go, time is running out!

    Physio appointment tomorrow too.... :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,359 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Singer wrote: »
    Use the bag drop, it's conveniently placed for picking up your stuff after the race, and you don't want to be wandering around for ages looking for some warm clothes to put on.

    Are there big queues for the bag drop before and after?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    Fingers crossed Wubble.....few sniffles and blocked up a bit here aswell....getting plenty of vitamins in!

    Still haven't managed to shake off this bug :mad:

    Only 6 days to go, time is running out!

    Physio appointment tomorrow too.... :eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Still haven't managed to shake off this bug :mad:

    Only 6 days to go, time is running out!

    Physio appointment tomorrow too.... :eek:

    Don't stress WW, you'll be fine, plenty of fluids (hot and cold) and lots of sleep will see you right. Good luck with the physio too
    Are there big queues for the bag drop before and after?

    I don't remember them being crazy busy, I dropped mine off with relative ease and wasn't waiting very long to collect it. Either way it's better than relying on meeting someone. To cover all bases you could give your wife a hoody to carry in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    nop98 wrote: »
    It is the Monday of the week before ... !

    Excitement has building all week and I have to say, I am starting to get a little nervous on behalf of all of you! I am really looking forward to see how you all will do on the day. Firedance and I are planning to be along the course (details to follow) and hopefully see you stride by on you way to that finishline.

    First, this weeks numbers. Hardly worth mentioning for seasoned mararthon bad-a$$es like you lot! :)
    Boards concludes with 2M easy | 5M (3@PMP) | 3M easy; and on Saturday, a couple of miles with some gentle strides*
    HHN1 concludes with 3M easy | 4M easy | 3M easy; and if you want to shake out the legs on Saturday with some miles at no more than LSR pace, go for it.
    *Strides are to be a very gentle accelaration for about 15 strides - only do these if you have been doing these before races in the past few months..

    Later in the week, I'll prepare a couple of more posts, for example, one which collates all race-course info I can find on boards (there's a ton of coursepreviews on boards). But for those of you who might be worried about having to tackle Dublins answer to Heartbreak Hill (which I think was first coined for the Boston Marathon), here's the description by boards legend yaboya, which every novice should remember. I will say no more.



    The last week before your first marathon, is the week of checklists! Here's a few:

    The week before - a.k.a. now! :confused:
    • PMA! You have probably all, subconciously, realized that a lot of this very long distance running is all between the ears. So, prepare for that! Postive mental attitude, or PMA as the cool kids say, is so important. Don't spend your week leading up worrying and fretting, spend it looking forward! This is going to be the such an awesome day, look forward to it.
    • Being a little nervous is good. Being too nervous is not good. If following this thread makes you extra nervous, then don't! Similarly, you can prepare by reading up or watching videos of the course, but don't if this makes you too nervous. It's meant to be enjoyable.
    • Are you sure you have all the stuff you need for the day, pre, during, and post-race? See check-list below.
    • Toenail Tuesday (or maybe Monday, since the marathon is a day earlier!). On Oct 24 or 25, give those bad-boys a once over well in advance of the race (not the morning itself). Check if there are sharp edges left on the sides of your toes.
    • Look after yourself. Especially this week! Don't change anything drastically (e.g. "carbo-loading"), but eat well, plenty of protein early in the week, and do switch focus to some more carb-intake in the final 72 hours. Nothing drastic! Remember the saying that you won't "make" your marathon in the last week, but you certainly can "break" it.
    • Do hydrate well throughout the week - follow the urine color check - but don't drink an awful lot on the morning of the race, you'll just need to get rid of it again. :)
    • Dubgal's favourite piece of advice: Bank as much sleep as you can. Early bed-time for all of you. Nobody on boards after 10pm this week! :p You will, however, get an extra hour extra the night before- you have a certain George Hudson to thank for that.
    • Plan for the day itself. What time does your wave start? What time to you want to be there? How are you going to get to Merrion Square at that time? There won't be much public transport that day, so make sure to think this through well.
    • Supporters check-list. Do you have people coming to cheer you on - in that case - do you have them well prepared? Do you know where they will be? It is best to be very specific - agree on a landmark or mile-marker, even on the side of the road you will look for them. Give your supporters an indication what time you will be passing by (use the pace-balloons as markers, if you're planning around 4h30, they don't need to look out for you when the 3h50 balloons are trundling by! Give them your bib-number so you can be tracked on the day.
    • If you want to meet them after the race, agree to a specific spot. There will be 1,000s of people on and around Merrion Square that morning / afternoon and getting around is not easy.
    • On Oct 28 or 29, you need to get to the Expo to pick-up your race bib. Don't wait until Saturday afternoon if you can avoid it. It will be yammers, also now, apparently, there's a Leinster home match at 5pm. Do look around the Expo a little, if you want, but don't spend hours standing around. Save those legs!
    • Once you know your bib number, post it here (hillsiderunner has already added a table and will be Chief Novice Tracker on Sunday, posting live updates to the thread), so we can follow you!

    The day before
    • Attach your bib to your shirt after filling in the contact details on the back. Do you remember the story from the runner collapsing during the half marathon? I am sure the family was glad the contact details were on the back of the big! Use 4 safety pins. Don't wait until the morning of the race, you won't be able to find the little buggers, let alone pin them on. Try on your shirt and make sure there are no sharp edges. Remember that if you want to reduce clothing on the day itself, you can't drop the layer carrying your bib.
    • Prepare your drop-bag. You will need to attach your number to the bag, you should have gotten that at the Expo (at least that's how it was last year). It is recommended to pack all your gear in a water-proof bag inside your drop-bag, as the drop-area is not covered. :rolleyes:
    • Charge your Garmin or relevant device. Make sure there is enough space on the device to record a 26.2M LSR. :)
    • Set your alarm! As is widely advertised, the clocks are going back one hour, (which is good!), but keep that in mind.
    • By now you have worked out how you'll get to town, right?

    The morning of the race
    • Make sure you know exactly what time it is. The clocks have gone back overnight!
    • Follow your normal pre-LSR preparation, same breakfast, shower, toilet routines. You're an old hand at this!
    • Say good morning here on boards. I am sure you won't be the only one. :)
    • Get to Merrion Square in time. You need time to drop-off your bags, go to the loo, find your running partner(s) if any, make your way to the correct starting pen. It will be very, very busy. In other words, give yourself plenty of time!

    Additional gear to bring with you
    • Pre-race extra clothing (to be packed in drop-bag or discard just before the race). It'll be cold and it might rain, so make sure you don't stand around for hours in shorts and t-shirt.
    • Post-race cloths. Warm tracksuit bottoms, dry t-shirt, sweater, deodorant, etc. Leave all this in your drop-bag so you can quickly change / add layers after the finish.
    • There will be post-race refreshments provided, but if you want something specific, make sure you pack it and bring it with you. All this can be left in your drop-bag.
    • Whatever else you need, e.g. some money, phone, leap-card (all at your own risk, obviously).

    Just before the race itself
    • Find your starting wave and then the right spot in the pack. Look out for the pacer-balloons, it will allow you to gauge if you are in the right spot.
    • Deep breaths. :) You have prepared well - most likely, better than most around you! Remember the PMA! This is when you need it most. Think about your planned race strategy - and savour the moment!
    • Just before the start, discard any clothing you might want to get rid off, but throw it over the fences, so it doesn't become a tripping hazard for others. Note the advice by denis_b, to use a bin bag with holes, to keep you dry in case its raining.
    • Say hello to folks around you, if you wish. Compare target times and race-plans. They are likely just as nervous as you :D, a little chat will go a long way to alleviate the nerves, and if you're lucky, you might find someone to run with for a few miles.
    • If you are planning to run with a pacer, when you have an opportunity, introduce yourself. They're nice guys and gals. Similarly, all these 100s of volunteers out there, bag-drop, start-waves, marshalling the course, handing out refreshments (and medals ;)). This race wouldn't happen without them. Just a "thanks" or "thumbs-up" would be appreciated!
    • Anthem, Mexican waves, starting gun and ... You're off, running your first marathon!

    Right, that's it. The gun has gone and you're running away. Your first marathon-finish is just a few hours away! I'm outa here! My job here is done! [slumps on sofa to eat pizza for the rest of the day]. :D

    Actually, it isn't. :D Here's a final checklist. :) If you remember to do just the following little tips during the day, then I'll be happy.

    During the race
    • Use the first 5-10 minutes of the run as warm-up. It's so busy that you can't speed up anyway. Be prepared to be slowed down to a walk at the first corner particularly - and pay attention to the traffic islands in the middle of the road. It will be busier than any other race you have ran in, so be careful not to trip anyone or get tripped yourself.
    • If you forget everything else, please please please don't forget this: Don't run too fast at the start. A minute ahead of target-time at halfway, has the habit of turning into 3 minutes behind target-time at the end. Remember, this will unchartered teritory for you, especially those last 5-6 miles - but it's not the distance that kills, it's the speed.
    • Run relaxed and in a straight line, don't rush, duck, and waive around people. There's plenty of miles to make up for "lost" time. Eventually it will thin out, but the first miles will be very busy.
    • Do regular checks for posture and proper running form. E.g. every second mile marker. Relax your shoulders, arms, face, hands. Let your arms hang for a few seconds, shake them out. How is your breathing? If it is too fast, you're going too fast.
    • 10M, 10M, and 10k. I think the great Murph_D elaborated on this thought a bit more, but essentially, break up your race in three manageable parts. See here.
    • When the going gets tough, is where your training kicks in. Trust your training! You have ran 100s of miles to prepae, the majority of these at slower than your pace today. You did that to prepare for today. Today is allowed to hurt (but after mid-way only!). Oh, no sharp pain, obviously. If you feel sharp pain, stop, and re-assess. There will be more marathons.
    • It's okay to change your mind about goals. Remember you [A], and [C] goals. If you feel more comfortable dropping from the pace group you had intended to follow, then do. This is why we're talking about different goals. You may well realize you need to re-focus, that your legs aren't there, that the conditions are too tough, and it's perfectly fine to do so.
    • Remember, you don't have to run next week. Empty that tank!
    • But - smile when you pass the timing mats (10k, HM, 30k, and final finish).. You're on camera!
    • See you in McGrattan's - likely towards the back near the pool-tables and the lower bar. We can't wait to hear all your stories!

    Lastly, I have been wanting to share this vid before. I know it does not have a lot to do with marathon running. But it happens to be my favourite inspirational running video. I will sheepishly admit to often watching it before a target race. Talk about bringing it home or what!



    That's it.
    Go bring it home, folks.

    Nop, you're a legend!!! take a bow (not yet, on Sunday though :D) Here's one for you :cool:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=barWV7RWkq0


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,638 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Right, goals for me.

    A ~ 4:05
    B ~ 4:25
    C ~ 4:35 - this is assuming A and B have gone to pot, soak it up and enjoy the craic, treat it like a LSR
    D Know kung fu

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Firedance wrote: »
    Nop, you're a legend!!! take a bow (not yet, on Sunday though :D) [/URL]

    I have been dropping in and out here the last few weeks, although following my own plan. I hope you all appreciate the support and advice (and time) given by nop98 and others. Best of luck to you all.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,638 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    nop98 wrote: »
    HHN1 concludes with 3M easy | 4M easy | 3M easy; and if you want to shake out the legs on Saturday with some miles at no more than LSR pace, go for it.

    HHN1 is 3, 4, 2, iirc. :p

    Have started making a list. My motivation for the week is to watch the Bourne trilogy and Padraig Harrington's recent win in Portugal. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Spotted this on the other thread but looks like I'll be at the front of a wave.

    I wonder why they are doing it this way...
    Note that 3:50 will start at the front of Wave 2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    RasTa wrote: »
    Spotted this on the other thread but looks like I'll be at the front of a wave.

    I wonder why they are doing it this way...

    Seen it on the pacer information screen in the FAQ's on their site - must be old information from before they changed the waves?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Are there big queues for the bag drop before and after?

    I usually drop my bag at least 30 minutes before the start, and there are no queues then. It probably gets busier the closer to 9 you get.

    Don't remember any queues for the bag drop at the end.

    Getting out of the finish area can be a problem. There's a big crush of people outside the barriers waiting to meet people. If you're meeting people post-race, don't have them meet you right outside, arrange to meet a bit further away - a pub, or the entrance to the Dead Zoo, or something like that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭hot buttered scones


    RayCun wrote: »
    I usually drop my bag at least 30 minutes before the start, and there are no queues then. It probably gets busier the closer to 9 you get.

    Don't remember any queues for the bag drop at the end.

    Getting out of the finish area can be a problem. There's a big crush of people outside the barriers waiting to meet people. If you're meeting people post-race, don't have them meet you right outside, arrange to meet a bit further away - a pub, or the entrance to the Dead Zoo, or something like that

    +1 on that. If you get there early enough there shouldn't be problem with the bag drop. Afterwards there's a steady stream of runners finishing so that shouldn't be a problem for bag pick up. I've arranged to meet my gang away from the main meeting points this year because I found it hard to find them last year with all the crowds. I posted this earlier in the thread, but its probably worth repeating - there were big crowds at the start heading from the portaloos by the bag drop down to the holding pens which were reduced to a shuffle at one stage, which freaked me out a bit, but I still made it to the start in plenty of time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭budhistmonk


    nop98 wrote: »
    It is the Monday of the week before ... ! :eek: :cool:
    nop, you're Monday posts just get better and better. We'll miss them in a few weeks. I honestly feel we have a secret weapon that everyone else toeing the line on Sunday won't have. Thanks an absolutely million for this. Sounds like a comprehensive list of everything we need to do from now to crossing the finish line (he says hopefully). Brilliant!!!


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