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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Christy42 wrote: »
    They have the election as essentially over. I can't see the state of ohio by itself being worth staying up for.

    She could get on a podium tonight, officially cede Ohio, and still win 300 EVs


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Let's get this clear: it's your assertion that white people don't loot shops or attack police?

    Care to revise that position, or are you going to double down on what has to be a strong contender for the stupidest thing ever said on this forum?

    Plenty of white people get shot by the police. You never see the National Guard called in to restore order afterwards. Why is that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Plenty of white people get shot by the police. You never see the National Guard called in to restore order afterwards. Why is that?

    You may be forgetting when the Guard had to be called into Alabama to protect the right of Blacks to attend the same school as Whites.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Plenty of white people get shot by the police. You never see the National Guard called in to restore order afterwards. Why is that?
    Wild guess here, but perhaps they are armed and not lying on the ground getting handcuffed?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,960 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Back on topic, please. This thread is about the election, not racial violence in the US.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,239 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    ''Pinheads''

    Guiliani just said Hilarys supporters are pinheads .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    ''Pinheads''

    Guiliani just said Hilarys supporters are pinheads .

    Remind me why anyone should listen to anything Guiliani has to say?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,351 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Pinheads do be dangerous things for bubbles, and there are millions of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Trent Houseboat


    I wonder does Guliani worry that he's ruined his legacy.
    The room full of NY elites laughing at him at the Al E Smith yoke would have been unthinkable a few years back when he was thought if as America's Mayor. And he's sitting there sour-faced not even pretending to laugh because he knows he's lost all credibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Not sure his logic behind becoming spokesman for the Trump campaign.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Not sure his logic behind becoming spokesman for the Trump campaign.

    I'd guess it's those "New York values" Cruz was castigating Trump for. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,090 ✭✭✭Carcharodon


    Amerika wrote: »
    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Right wing smear campaigns arent hurting him at all, he'll go down as one of the best presidents.
    That might be the most ridiculous thing I've read here. You think history is going to proclaim greatness on a President who blames his predecessor for poor economic conditions and who's far left progressive socialist agenda has done anything that advances America? Who's signature legislation, Obamacare, is rapidly deteriorating because of climbing healthcare costs - which it was guaranteed to reduce. A President responsible for the decimation of our national security and our military, and who sells the people on a false narrative propagated about the Iranian nuclear deal. The nation s only President to preside over an economy that never exceeded 3% GDP growth. A President who worked so hard to bankrupt the coal industry and to decimate the oil and natural gas industry through regulatory fiat, and who has single handedly set race relations in America back decades. History is a fool if it does that.
    Look seriously, come on, join reality for just a few minutes, leave the hate at the door for just a little while.
    Firstly, it's not a matter of blaming the previous president for the poor economic conditions he inherited, it's just a fact that these poor economic conditions existed, many of us lived through it and it was incredibly tough, under Obama I've been able to achieve success, start a new business, use Obamacare to keep my insurance from previous employer. Do I think he is personally responsible for this, no, many factors are in place but it's a fact he has presided over this recovery.
    I would love to know what decimation of military you talk of, that's just pure nonsense, don't just lie.
    You say he worked so hard to bankrupt coal industry, another lie, you think America should be doubling down on these industries, the future is renewable energy, an idiot can see that, republicans act like people love working in the coal mines as if it some dream job and the only one available, why would we want the next generation of kids working in this industry ?
    Race relations have been set back decades??? Jesus, you've already been debunked my many on here about that, another clear lie, has he revoked their right to vote, reintroduced segregation?????
    I suppose he has also made a mistake in being progressive for gay rights ?
    Just leave the bubble man, it's not so bad outside it ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Mod:
    Cut out the accusations of lying and the idiot comments please.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Is it fair at this point that we at least ask Amerika to show in what way they are possibly true?

    How can it honestly be said that Obama is 'far left' or 'socialist'?
    How can it honestly be said that the US military has been decimated since 2008?
    ...but most importantly...
    How can it honestly be said that Obama -and I am quoting Amerika directly here- "single handedly set race relations in America back decades."?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    How can the military be decimated if we still have our global presence and are essentially involved in 5 wars..

    http://theweek.com/articles/655826/why-wont-anyone-admit-that-america-fighting-5-wars


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Just looking at the RCP site. Yesterday it was Clinton 262, Trump 170 with 112 in play.

    Now it's still Clinton 262, but Trump is down to 126 and 150 are in play.

    That's a massive shift. Texas and Georgia are now toss ups? :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Alaska moving towards a toss up on 538.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    They haven't even been able to update the order of their "Path to 270" graphic to keep up with how much red states are losing confidence across the board

    Meanwhile all of the blue states are solidly held up to and past the 270 mark.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Still think Trump will win, just got that feeling. Can see the working class who hate Hillary voting Trump in unprecedented numbers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Still think Trump will win, just got that feeling. Can see the working class who hate Hillary voting Trump in unprecedented numbers.

    Feelings don't really cut it in the face of polled data. Trump's not going to win this. Interesting breakdown of Trump's support from Septemver - pre hot mic video - he was getting a significant portion of his vote from older working class women. You'd have to assume that this must have been impacted negatively subsequently by the focus on his attitude to women, but perhaps not?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/dissecting-donald-trumps-support/499739/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Still think Trump will win, just got that feeling. Can see the working class who hate Hillary voting Trump in unprecedented numbers.
    Nows the time to put a couple of ponies on that if you're that confident. Could be a real Christmas present for you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Just looking at the RCP site. Yesterday it was Clinton 262, Trump 170 with 112 in play.

    Now it's still Clinton 262, but Trump is down to 126 and 150 are in play.

    That's a massive shift. Texas and Georgia are now toss ups? :eek:

    I saw Georgia yesterday but had not seen Texas! They put states in as 'toss up' when the average polling difference is below 5.0 and... Indiana is now at exactly 5.0, meaning there's a very strong chance it will be Trump sitting on just 115 if another poll comes in during the week from there (the most recent was Oct 16th).

    I wasn't sure if I had overshot it, but no - at this rate Trump really does look like he might even struggle to get above 100 EC votes. Odds certainly are that he will, but that is startling nonetheless.

    Say hello to 10-25 years of a liberal Supreme Court.

    The Senate race looks like it will be extremely close, though keep in mind the Dem's will have an extra half seat (100 total) with Tim Kaine as president, plus the two independents - Sanders and King - lean far more Dem than Rep, and neither have to contest their seat this time around. Basically, landing on 48 seats gives them a tiny advantage, and 51 the majority of course.

    The Republicans seem to have salvaged the House since running away from Trump at light speed a few weeks back - looks like 224(R) vs 190(D) with another 21 too close to call right now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Still think Trump will win, just got that feeling. Can see the working class who hate Hillary voting Trump in unprecedented numbers.

    Then I'll give you the same offer I gave another poster the other day (who took me up on it, and credit to them) - if Trump wins, I will (edit: typo) donate €100 to a charity of your choosing online. If Clinton wins, you only have to donate €5 to a charity of my choosing online.

    It's for a good cause either way, and if you really actually do think Trump will win, there is no way you could turn down 20/1 odds.

    Deal? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Still think Trump will win, just got that feeling. Can see the working class who hate Hillary voting Trump in unprecedented numbers.

    Really? You think the working class are going to vote for the anti-union right wing hotel owner?

    Why?

    He's against the minimum wage, health insurance reform, minority rights, unions, etc

    He also wants to privitise social security.

    Except for some vague talk about jobs I don't see that he has anything to offer the working class at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,542 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    alastair wrote: »
    Feelings don't really cut it in the face of polled data. Trump's not going to win this. Interesting breakdown of Trump's support from Septemver - pre hot mic video - he was getting a significant portion of his vote from older working class women. You'd have to assume that this must have been impacted negatively subsequently by the focus on his attitude to women, but perhaps not?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/dissecting-donald-trumps-support/499739/

    I don't think a brexit type shock will happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,351 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    K-9 wrote: »
    Mod:
    Cut out the accusations of lying and the idiot comments please.

    If Amerika and KingBrian would stop being liars and idiots it would be a lot easier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    alastair wrote: »
    Feelings don't really cut it in the face of polled data. Trump's not going to win this. Interesting breakdown of Trump's support from Septemver - pre hot mic video - he was getting a significant portion of his vote from older working class women. You'd have to assume that this must have been impacted negatively subsequently by the focus on his attitude to women, but perhaps not?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/dissecting-donald-trumps-support/499739/

    He was on 70-80% of the actual Republican women's vote before the tapes so I doubt it got much higher.

    His task was to reverse the high unfavorable ratings amongst women to stand a chance of getting elected, that went well!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Suryavarman banned until the election is over.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    I don't envy the American electorate, 2 very weak and ugly candidates. Clinton will win by default.

    But it is going to be a very tough time for whoever wins, a bit like biffo winning here in 2007. I'm expecting carnage during her presidency.


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