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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #4652
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    The fact that Trump has consistently engaged in racism during his campaign. Plus he has engaged in the Obama not being American conspiracy for years...

    A prime example being his continued insistence that the Central Park Five - who have been proven totally innocent thanks to DNA testing - are still guilty of the horrific crime they were wrongfully imprisoned for.


  • #4653
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Read my post.

    A poster said
    "Stop cops executing black people = black supremacy!!!!!"


    I'm arguing that its more nuanced that that, in the sense that there are plenty of black supremists out there using the "stop cops executing black people" as a cover for their hatred of whites.

    BLM is not all peace loving people looking for justice, its full of white hating blacks too.

    You're arguing that in response to a satirical reply to a claim that Clinton is courting black supremacy votes. There's no 'nuance' to that claim. It's simply nonsensical.

    BTW; Black Lives Matter isn't a black suprematist movement, and just because the KKK lent their support to Trump's candidacy, that doesn't make Trump a guy who wears a pillow and burns crosses. You'll find idiotic outliers* for pretty much any group you care to mention. That doesn't mean they define those groups.

    *the fact that there's a different, but just as idiotic, core to the Trump candidacy is besides the point.


  • #4654
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Hilary's lead back to 4 now in the latest poll. It ain't over until the fat lady sings .... and even then Donald may not accept tbe result.


  • #4655
    nomadchocolate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 150 ✭✭nomadchocolate


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    The fact that Trump has consistently engaged in racism during his campaign. Plus he has engaged in the Obama not being American conspiracy for years...

    Examples?


  • #4656
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    nomadchocolate wrote: »
    Absolute nonsense. Any proof to back up your statement?

    Common sense.

    He has a broader appeal but you can't deny he's surfing a wave of racism too.

    Do you have any proof that I'm incorrect?


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  • #4657
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    blackcard wrote: »
    Hilary's lead back to 4 now in the latest poll. It ain't over until the fat lady sings .... and even then Donald may not accept tbe result.

    It doesnt really matter if trump accepts the result or not, its not required that he concede before Cinton claims victory.

    Of course if there's actual legal challenges that he can make to dispute specific results he could try that. He'd need evidence though.


  • #4658
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    blackcard wrote: »
    Hilary's lead back to 4 now in the latest poll. It ain't over until the fat lady sings

    Where is this "latest poll" from? There's 50 states.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/


  • #4659
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    blackcard wrote: »
    Hilary's lead back to 4 now in the latest poll. It ain't over until the fat lady sings .... and even then Donald may not accept tbe result.

    What's the poll.

    Problem is Trump needs to flip 9 states.


  • #4660
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    blackcard wrote: »
    Hilary's lead back to 4 now in the latest poll. It ain't over until the fat lady sings .... and even then Donald may not accept tbe result.

    It's down to the wire. Trump still in the race and Clinton nowhere near home yet. So it's premature to be talking of him not accepting a result, as in a loss or a win? Both truly awful candidates, one bad, the other worse. To me it has been a very depressing campaign.


  • #4661
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,652 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    alastair wrote: »
    You're arguing that in response to a satirical reply to a claim that Clinton is courting black supremacy votes. There's no 'nuance' to that claim. It's simply nonsensical.

    BTW; Black Lives Matter isn't a black suprematist movement, and just because the KKK lent their support to Trump's candidacy, that doesn't make Trump a guy who wears a pillow and burns crosses. You'll find idiotic outliers* for pretty much any group you care to mention. That doesn't mean they define those groups.

    *the fact that there's a different, but just as idiotic, core to the Trump candidacy is besides the point.

    I'm not saying BLM is a black supremists outfit, but there of elements of black supremists in it and using it as an outlet for their racism.


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  • #4662
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    I'm not saying BLM is a black supremists outfit, but there of elements of black supremists in it and using it as an outlet for their racism.

    any back up for that ?


  • #4663
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    It's down to the wire. Trump still in the race and Clinton nowhere near home yet.

    Come off it, Paddy Power paid up on all bets on Hillary already - it is going to be the worst beating a major party candidate has gotten in many, many years.


  • #4664
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,652 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    It's down to the wire. Trump still in the race and Clinton nowhere near home yet. So it's premature to be talking of him not accepting a result, as in a loss or a win? Both truly awful candidates, one bad, the other worse. To me it has been a very depressing campaign.

    And the great thing about it is everyone has an opinion on which is which.


  • #4665
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    It's down to the wire. Trump still in the race and Clinton nowhere near home yet.

    Oh really? And which swing states do you see him winning then?


  • #4666
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,412 ✭✭✭blackcard


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    blackcard wrote: »
    Hilary's lead back to 4 now in the latest poll. It ain't over until the fat lady sings

    Where is this "latest poll" from? There's 50 states.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
    Reuters/Ipsos national poll on friday


  • #4667
    Amerika
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭Amerika


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Right wing smear campaigns arent hurting him at all, he'll go down as one of the best presidents.
    That might be the most ridiculous thing I've read here. You think history is going to proclaim greatness on a President who blames his predecessor for poor economic conditions and who's far left progressive socialist agenda has done anything that advances America? Who's signature legislation, Obamacare, is rapidly deteriorating because of climbing healthcare costs - which it was guaranteed to reduce. A President responsible for the decimation of our national security and our military, and who sells the people on a false narrative propagated about the Iranian nuclear deal. The nation’s only President to preside over an economy that never exceeded 3% GDP growth. A President who worked so hard to bankrupt the coal industry and to decimate the oil and natural gas industry through regulatory fiat, and who has single handedly set race relations in America back decades. History is a fool if it does that.


  • #4668
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,960 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    When you claim he set race relations back decades, I find it hard to take seriously anything else in that post.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #4669
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Amerika wrote: »
    That might be the most ridiculous thing I've read here. You think history is going to proclaim greatness on a President who blames his predecessor for poor economic conditions and who's far left progressive socialist agenda has done anything that advances America? Who's signature legislation, Obamacare, is rapidly deteriorating because of climbing healthcare costs - which it was guaranteed to reduce. A President responsible for the decimation of our national security and our military, and who sells the people on a false narrative propagated about the Iranian nuclear deal. The nation’s only President to preside over an economy that never exceeded 3% GDP growth. A President who worked so hard to bankrupt the coal industry and to decimate the oil and natural gas industry through regulatory fiat, and who has single handedly set race relations in America back decades. History is a fool if it does that.

    Didn't someone just say right wing smear campaigns won't hurt him?


  • #4670
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    blackcard wrote: »
    Reuters/Ipsos national poll on friday

    This one has her nearly 10 up??

    https://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM651Y15_DS_13/filters/LIKELY:1/type/week/dates/20160901-20161021/collapsed/true/spotlight/1


  • #4671
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,882 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Interesting thesis: Democratic presidents are better for the economy than Republican presidents, going back to Truman.

    https://www.princeton.edu/~mwatson/papers/DemRep_BlinderWatson_July2015.pdf

    Some excerpts:
    "Closer inspection of quarterly data reveals that the five highest growth rates in the sample all
    came under Democratic presidents, while four of the five lowest came under Republicans. "

    "There is, however, a very large and statistically significant
    difference in the change in the unemployment rate, computed as the average unemployment rate
    in the final year of the term minus the average value in the final year of the previous term.
    During Democratic presidential terms, the unemployment rate fell by 0.8 percentage points, on
    average, while it rose by 1.1 percentage points, on average, during Republican terms--yielding a
    large D-R gap of -1.9 percentage points"

    And this bit about growth vs. control of Congress:

    "Growth was highest when
    Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and the White House (4.69%) and next highest
    when a Democrat was president and Republicans controlled Congress (3.86%), although the
    difference between these two averages is not statistically significant. In contrast, average growth
    under Republican presidents was less than 3% regardless of which party controlled Congress.
    Table 4 speaks clearly: It has been the president, not Congress, that mattered
    "


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  • #4672
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Amerika wrote: »
    , and who has single handedly set race relations in America back decades. History is a fool if it does that.

    How has Obama done this ?


  • #4673
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    marienbad wrote: »
    How has Obama done this ?

    In the eyes of many I think it was having notions beyond his station as a black man.

    Parts of the US are very segregated but then having a black president brings the issue to the fore for many who aren't really tolerant enough in this day and age.


  • #4674
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    I'm not saying BLM is a black supremists outfit, but there of elements of black supremists in it and using it as an outlet for their racism.

    If you apply the three degrees of separation formula, you could equally claim that Hillary's courting pretty much any vote - including the KKK. So why pretend there's any specific attempt to garner the black supremacy vote?


  • #4675
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    2015

    1,134 total number of young black men killed by police offices,


    124 total number of police officers killed in the line of duty, of which 42 killed by gun fire.

    90% of black homicide victims are killed by their own people. They just like to ignore that fact.


  • #4676
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    90% of black homicide victims are killed by their own people. They just like to ignore that fact.

    who is 'their own people' ? are they all not Americans


  • #4677
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    90% of black homicide victims are killed by their own people. They just like to ignore that fact.

    The figure I quoted was young black men killed by police officers. Are you saying all those police officers are black?


  • #4678
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,652 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    marienbad wrote: »
    who is 'their own people' ? are they all not Americans

    Oh stop playing dumb.

    Black people killing other black people, that's what the poster is talking about.


  • #4679
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Oh stop playing dumb.

    Black people killing other black people, that's what the poster is talking about.

    so recognising when the veneer of civility is peeled away and the racism underneath exposed is now playing dumb is it ?


  • #4680
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,652 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    marienbad wrote: »
    so recognising when the veneer of civility is peeled away and the racism underneath exposed is now playing dumb is it ?

    If I'm understanding this post correctly you are suggesting that the poster in question is a racist for using the term "their own people" to describe black on black crime.

    If that's the case then its a huge accusation to make about another poster, worthy of a reporting possibly.

    If its not then please enlighten me.


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  • #4681
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    marienbad wrote: »
    who is 'their own people' ? are they all not Americans

    They identify as African-Americans. They don't sing the anthem or stand for the flag. They promote segregation and disharmony. It's only going to get worse as well.


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