2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

Sam Russell · 21-10-2016 01:10PM

aloyisious wrote: »

Just saying, is all...... Hillary will have broken two barriers, Ist Democratic Presidential nominee to succeed a sitting Democrat in 160 years AND the 1st female US President (partially presented to her by the Republican party nominee, that party's choice in chosen one).

She will, if elected, be the first president for a long time to be less than 6 ft tall. Edit: GW Bush was 5 ft 11.5 inches (but you get the point).

Brian? · 21-10-2016 01:13PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

She will, if elected, be the first president for a long time to be less than 6 ft tall.

GW Bush was over 6ft? He always looked like a wee fella on television.

aloyisious · 21-10-2016 01:28PM

johnp001 wrote: »

Most of the statements in post #4562 above are covered in the first couple of minutes of Trey Gowdy's questioning here:

I noticed that in his replies, the witness did not include the word "classified" when talking about emails (and presumably information, as that's the word used by the questioner) sent or received from the Clinton devices. He also didn't say Hillary was using the devices at the times when emails were sent or received. I'd have included that as a question in any questions I asked. It might seem like I'm quibbling about evidential matters but that's enough of a loophole to get off on, the questioner apparently making an assumption Hillary was the only one using the devices (plural) used in connection with the emails. BorneTobyWilde mentioned 13 phones. Smartphone are usable for sending emails. The Former director also did not use the word "emails" immediately before or after the word classified. with the 1st question, the answer he was giving was interrupted by the questioner, so he didn't confirm or deny Hillary sent anything CLASSIFIED. The same applied throughout the other questions. He did not confirm Hillary was responsible for any deletions, deliberate or accidental. He also introduced an angle of accidental deletion when devices were being removed.

Re putting on the old hat, that was asking the former FBI man to make circumstantial deductions right in front of the committee, not asking him for any notes he made during the investigation to prove a deduction trail.

I did like the way the questioner changed what he called the emails, private to public, late in his questioning.

Amerika · 21-10-2016 01:30PM

Yesterday was the annual The Al Smith Dinner, and very four years has become a tradition for the two presidential candidates to light-heartedly roast each other. It’s a white-tie fundraiser for Catholic charities supporting needy children which is held at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, and hosted by the archbishop of New York. This year sure didn’t disappoint.

dwayneshintzy · 21-10-2016 01:54PM

Wasn't very light-hearted, and Trump certainly didn't come across well....

BorneTobyWilde · 21-10-2016 02:05PM

I thought what Trump did to Hilary was a bit much.
Trump started well but it got very political very fast and he over did it. It was a night to leave serious issues alone and to be light hearted in his comical speech. The whole room was put in an awkward situation, laugh , don't laugh.

BorneTobyWilde · 21-10-2016 02:20PM

It was hard to concentrate on either speech due to the lady in red, her big pair of ample luscious well proportioned ear rings where distracting.

CMOTDibbler · 21-10-2016 03:15PM

Neither of them were particularly funny tbh. Donald started out well, but got too political and Hillary, well funny and Hillary don't really go together.

At least those present got a nice meal to help digest it.

aloyisious · 21-10-2016 03:21PM

Nearly spewed coffee on screen when Don said, "that was good" after he patted Hillary twice while passing her, and the Cardinal looking on. There were some biting comments from both sides, as the audience reaction showed. The Rudy gag was good.

aloyisious · 21-10-2016 03:30PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Why does everyone forget about Harry Truman when citing this "fact"?

Fair point made by you and sofa spud. I should have used the word elected as needed between "sitting and Democrat" in my Ist Democratic Presidential nominee to succeed a sitting Democrat quote as Barak is in his second directly-elected-to-job term. Harry, as V/P, took over the presidency in line with constitutional rules when FDR died in office. Harry was NOT elected to his first term as president.

CMOTDibbler · 21-10-2016 03:31PM

Brian? wrote: »

GW Bush was over 6ft? He always looked like a wee fella on television.

He looks smaller than Michelle Obama in this photo. High heels could account for that, but she's a tall lady if GW is 6 foot.

aloyisious · 21-10-2016 03:33PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

She will, if elected, be the first president for a long time to be less than 6 ft tall. Edit: GW Bush was 5 ft 11.5 inches (but you get the point).[/QUOTE

"Little" women power breaking the glass ceiling, in line with her Crystal ceiling comment?

Overheal · 21-10-2016 03:58PM

It's been revealed that Trump's campaign spent half a million dollars in September on legal fees :rolleyes:

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/trump-campaign-spent-half-a-million-dollars-on-lawyers-last-month/

I guess threatening to sue the pants off everyone isn't a great way to succeed.

aloyisious · 21-10-2016 04:09PM

Overheal wrote: »

It's been revealed that Trump's campaign spent half a million dollars in September on legal fees :rolleyes:

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/trump-campaign-spent-half-a-million-dollars-on-lawyers-last-month/

I guess threatening to sue the pants off everyone isn't a great way to succeed.

Paying the lawyers was one thing I wondered about. Do they, as contractors, ask for payment up front each month?

Overheal · 21-10-2016 04:15PM

aloyisious wrote: »

Paying the lawyers was one thing I wondered about. Do they, as contractors, ask for payment up front each month?

They as lawyers make the client sign a contract up front and usually pay a lot up front, and are generally very good about getting their contracts upheld.

InTheTrees · 21-10-2016 04:15PM

aloyisious wrote: »

Paying the lawyers was one thing I wondered about. Do they, as contractors, ask for payment up front each month?

I'm sure they get a retainer, they above all must know how unreliable he is at paying his bills.
Although stiffing your lawyers is probably the last thing you'd want to do.

dwayneshintzy · 21-10-2016 04:23PM

Could be wrong, but I think Trump has actually been taken to court for non-payment by lawyers who had defended him in non-payment cases

Skylinehead · 21-10-2016 04:38PM

aloyisious wrote: »

Fair point made by you and sofa spud. I should have used the word elected as needed between "sitting and Democrat" in my Ist Democratic Presidential nominee to succeed a sitting Democrat quote as Barak is in his second directly-elected-to-job term. Harry, as V/P, took over the presidency in line with constitutional rules when FDR died in office. Harry was NOT elected to his first term as president.

Yeah there are semantics around the stat, but you could argue that Trumans first term wasn't his at all, it was FDRs. Truman was then elected in 48 after serving out the remainder (vast majority) of FDRs 4th term.

Either way, they were in the White House for 20 years on the spin!

K-9 · 21-10-2016 04:57PM

aloyisious wrote: »

Nearly spewed coffee on screen when Don said, "that was good" after he patted Hillary twice while passing her, and the Cardinal looking on. There were some biting comments from both sides, as the audience reaction showed. The Rudy gag was good.

Yep, poor Rudy couldn't even pretend to smile or laught at it.

Itssoeasy · 21-10-2016 06:18PM

I've gone down a us presidential black hole on youtube and George HW Bush to his credit seems to not bash the current president. My point is that he may disagree with him on issues and policies but he's respectful as I'm sure he knows the gig isn't easy.

That's why trump and his reluctance to say that he was accept the result is a bit jarring to many.

aloyisious · 21-10-2016 06:27PM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Could be wrong, but I think Trump has actually been taken to court for non-payment by lawyers who had defended him in non-payment cases

Just lol, like, who had he representing him then? surely not a self-defence

B0jangles · 21-10-2016 06:31PM

Yeah, I know it's a campaign ad and obviously is going to show Hillary Clinton in the best possible light, but if she's only pretending to care about people and is actually an evil heartless monster, then she's been pulling the longest con in history:

Permabear · 21-10-2016 07:56PM

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Black Swan · 21-10-2016 08:23PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

If the GOP continue with this "block everything, just because the Democrats suggested it" approach I can't see how that enables them to expand their base in the mid-terms or the next Presidential election.

It's the congressional "Party of No position," where they block bipartisan legislation, then point the finger at the current presidential administration blaming them, and the foolish voter believes the congressional finger pointers.

Carcharodon · 21-10-2016 09:17PM

Amerika wrote: »

Yesterday was the annual The Al Smith Dinner, and very four years has become a tradition for the two presidential candidates to light-heartedly roast each other. It s a white-tie fundraiser for Catholic charities supporting needy children which is held at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, and hosted by the archbishop of New York. This year sure didn t disappoint.

Only thing I can say about this, is that we will miss Obamas speeches, say what you want about him but he has charisma and can work a crowd.
This was just pure bitterness, a little more by Trump but pretty hard to watch them both.
I did enjoy his carpenter joke though

Amerika · 21-10-2016 09:29PM

Black Swan wrote: »

It's the congressional "Party of No position," where they block bipartisan legislation, then point the finger at the current presidential administration blaming them, and the foolish voter believes the congressional finger pointers.

Methinks you need to get out of those muddle ages of Congress. But hey, I get it. It makes great sound bites blaming Republicans for everything under the sun. Since the Republicans have taken over there has been a much greater level of bipartisan support in order to get things done Too much, in my opinion. I’ve often complained here that since Republicans took over they’ve lost their spine, gone back on their promises they made to get them elected, and pretty much have given President Obama everything he wanted with his legislative agenda. But sure, you can pick a few things that Reps and Dems couldn’t agree on… and never will. Things like repealing the failing ObamaCare, gun control, and comprehensive immigration reform.

dwayneshintzy · 21-10-2016 10:02PM

What bipartisan legislation has been passed since the Republicans took control of both houses?

learn_more · 21-10-2016 10:11PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Neither of them were particularly funny tbh. Donald started out well, but got too political and Hillary, well funny and Hillary don't really go together.

At least those present got a nice meal to help digest it.

I thought both were quite funny. I cracked up at Trumps quip referring to his wife's speech as well as Hillary's 'statue of liberty' jibe.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I've gone down a us presidential black hole on youtube and George HW Bush to his credit seems to not bash the current...

The way I often heard Bush put it is that he doesn't comment on current political affairs in any respect as he's retired. He seems like a rather likeable character in his retirement. Never though I'd hear myself say that.

Sam Russell wrote: »

She will, if elected, be the first president for a long time to be less than 6 ft tall. Edit: GW Bush was 5 ft 11.5 inches (but you get the point).

She will also , if elected, have the biggest bust of any previous American president thus far. But not by much.

Amerika · 21-10-2016 10:15PM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

What bipartisan legislation has been passed since the Republicans took control of both houses?

Some of the accomplishments Congress achieved since gaining the majority in the Senate in 2014 and control of Congress...

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/30/461388614/8-things-congress-actually-did-this-year
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/in-case-you-missed-it-congress-passed-some-big-bills-in-2015/

Amerika · 21-10-2016 10:19PM

Carcharodon wrote: »

Only thing I can say about this, is that we will miss Obamas speeches, say what you want about him but he has charisma and can work a crowd.
This was just pure bitterness, a little more by Trump but pretty hard to watch them both.
I did enjoy his carpenter joke though

I never liked Obama's speeches. Sure he has charisma, but the lies, deceit, and division within them overshadowed everything else. And I like trumps line about Melania using Michelle speech the best, and the one with something about Hillary's campaign staff being there... ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, the New York Times, etc.

2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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