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  • #32
    JustTheOne
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    shafty100 wrote: »
    hi mary it must be so good being you ,you and your like make me sick , what gives you the right to be so judgemental aboutsomeone you know so little about . the loss of a mother and father and 2 brothers in such a short time is only truly known by those who are unfortunate enough to have to go through such tragedy which i doubt you would know . this country in the last 5 years has spent 250 million euros on direct provision for non nationals and could not house our own , so charity does not begin at home . you really come across as a very selfish and shallow heartless snob that will never understand what hardship is .

    So do you think it's better if foreign nationals die on the streets instead of Irish?

    Racist much?


  • #33
    Polo_Mint
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    Dublin needs to build a lot of emergency housing with strict conditions attached.

    Not Council Housing


  • #34
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    They're not asking for a house though? She's literally saying she can't live like a dog on the street, or in a park coming into winter. I agree. She's a human being. She clearly has nothing to her name, and has no support. At the very least, they should be getting her a bed in a hostel. That's the most basic of human rights, shelter.

    I cannot bear the culture of the self entitled, the people who deserve a council house in the area they choose so they can be near their mam, or where they grew up, or that the government owes people a living on the dole. That their lifestyle should be funded.

    I'm honestly not getting this from the article at all. What I'm getting is two desperate people living in a field with a tent to cover them. We've the heating on in the mornings and at night now, I sleep with an electric blanket and there's no shortage of fluffy blankets or duvets. I can't imagine begrudging someone in that position a hot meal, and somewhere safe to go asleep warm and cosy.

    How are they ever supposed to pull themselves out of that cycle? Would you hire them? How will they support themselves? Will they even get dole with no address?

    Emergency accommodation like hotels should be for this situation. People refusing to move out of emergency accommodation should be asked to leave because it's not an emergency if they can turn accommodation down. Two people shouldn't be laying in a doorway or in a tent like a dog, because Erica feels a 2 bed apartment in clontarf isn't good enough for her.


  • #35
    Barry Badrinath
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    Having people living on the street in 2016 is a disgrace.

    Taking peoples varied, uncontrollable and sometimes self inflicted reasons for ending up there out of the equation. The Government really needs and can do more to solve this problem.

    Initiatives could be set up where homeless people earn a wage performing even the most basic of tasks in the interest of each County Council.

    A number of military and Garda barracks have been closed and or sold over the last few years. These could have been used for social and or emergency housing.

    I know Clancy Barracks in Dublin was earmarked for social housing in the early '00. That was until they decided it would be "better" if it was sold to a developer for megabucks.

    That Barracks could have housed hundreads of homeless people in emergency accomodation.

    There are also baracks' around the country so its not just a Dublin thing.


  • #36
    shafty100
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    So do you think it's better if foreign nationals die on the streets instead of Irish?

    Racist much?[/QUOTEyour missing the point .if it was all non nationals that were homeless then their would be a public outcry and something done but typically we shaft our own .racist no but our own people should definitely have priority over non nationals and if you consider this racist then tough


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  • #37
    JustTheOne
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    shafty100 wrote: »
    JustTheOne wrote: »
    So do you think it's better if foreign nationals die on the streets instead of Irish?

    Racist much?[/QUOTEyour missing the point .if it was all non nationals that were homeless then their would be a public outcry and something done but typically we shaft our own .racist no but our own people should definitely have priority over non nationals and if you consider this racist then tough

    I don't think we should discriminate when talking about helping homeless people.

    One group isn't more deserving to be on the streets than another.


  • #38
    JustTheOne
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    Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »
    Having people living on the street in 2016 is a disgrace.

    Taking peoples varied, uncontrollable and sometimes self inflicted reasons for ending up there out of the equation. The Government really needs and can do more to solve this problem.

    Initiatives could be set up where homeless people earn a wage performing even the most basic of tasks in the interest of each County Council.

    A number of military and Garda barracks have been closed and or sold over the last few years. These could have been used for social and or emergency housing.

    I know Clancy Barracks in Dublin was earmarked for social housing in the early '00. That was until they decided it would be "better" if it was sold to a developer for megabucks.

    That Barracks could have housed hundreads of homeless people in emergency accomodation.

    There are also baracks' around the country so its not just a Dublin thing.

    You do know there is homeless people in every country in the world?

    Do you expect Ireland to have the solution?


  • #39
    Chuchote
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    Mary63 wrote: »
    Does she want Dublin City Council to hand her a house free until the end of her days.

    Council houses and flats are not free.


  • #40
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    There's always more to these stories than meets the eye. Why do they photograph and speak only to her and mention "her partner" as an add-on? Look at this respectable young lady sleeping rough in Dublin.

    Because he's probably a complete mess and the story wouldn't read quite as well if they put his gaunt and semi-toothless face, slurring incomprehensibly in the video. That comes across as harsh, but it's the reality of media; paint the prettiest picture, not the truthful one.

    Does that mean they deserve to be living in a tent - of course not. But it's frustrating to see so many "human interest" stories painted as "decent person, down on their luck, there but for the grace of god, etc.", when in fact there's an elephant in the room that's relevant to why they're in such a position in the first place.

    How we help those struggling with addiction and at complete rock bottom, I genuinely haven't a fncking clue. Something needs to be done, but I don't know what. Giving them houses won't work, they'll be on the streets again within months. This woman comes from a background of addiction and abuse. No doubt poorly educated, if at all. Somehow that cycle has to be broken, but the question is how.


  • #41
    Chuchote
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    You do know there is homeless people in every country in the world?

    Do you expect Ireland to have the solution?

    Switzerland…


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  • #42
    JustTheOne
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    Chuchote wrote: »
    Switzerland…

    Where are you getting that from?

    http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/poverty-in-switzerland_broke-and-homeless-on-the-streets-of-zurich/41058006

    A simple Google debunks this straightaway.


  • #43
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    seamus wrote: »
    There's always more to these stories than meets the eye. Why do they photograph and speak only to her and mention "her partner" as an add-on? Look at this respectable young lady sleeping rough in Dublin.

    Because he's probably a complete mess and the story wouldn't read quite as well if they put his gaunt and semi-toothless face, slurring incomprehensibly in the video. That comes across as harsh, but it's the reality of media; paint the prettiest picture, not the truthful one.

    Does that mean they deserve to be living in a tent - of course not. But it's frustrating to see so many "human interest" stories painted as "decent person, down on their luck, there but for the grace of god, etc.", when in fact there's an elephant in the room that's relevant to why they're in such a position in the first place.

    How we help those struggling with addiction and at complete rock bottom, I genuinely haven't a fncking clue. Something needs to be done, but I don't know what. Giving them houses won't work, they'll be on the streets again within months. This woman comes from a background of addiction and abuse. No doubt poorly educated, if at all. Somehow that cycle has to be broken, but the question is how.

    Seriously, who cares? Who cares if they're junkies? They're killing themselves. If they went out and murdered someone or interfered with a child - (imo the lowest of the low, much worse than a junkie) they'd be guaranteed meals three times a day, medical services, courses and education, and a bed.

    A basic roof over your head at night time shouldn't be a luxury for the working class. Anybody with a pulse should have somewhere to sleep, something to wear, and something to eat, and be able to access medical services if needed - without bias.


  • #44
    Chuchote
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    An interesting Danish perspective http://www.humanityinaction.org/knowledgebase/9-homelessness-in-a-welfare-state-perspectives-from-copenhagen


  • #45
    Harvey Normal
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    There's two kinds of homeless.

    1) the unhousable. I mean you need to pay rent (council rent if nothing else), maintain a place, pay bills. These people are always with us. Andvthey cant live on their own. Maybe controlled housing.
    2) the recent increase in working class homelessness caused by a housing shortage. The solution to that is council houses. Private subsidy doesn't work.


  • #46
    JustTheOne
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    Chuchote wrote: »
    An interesting Danish perspective http://www.humanityinaction.org/knowledgebase/9-homelessness-in-a-welfare-state-perspectives-from-copenhagen

    10,000-15,000 homeless in Denmark?

    And people want Ireland adopt their policies.

    Only reinforces my belief Ireland is one of the best countries in the world.


  • #47
    subpar
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    Getting a council house for life is the equivalent of winning the lotto plus


  • #48
    Chuchote
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    Harvey Normal wrote: »
    There's two kinds of homeless.

    1) the unhousable. I mean you need to pay rent (council rent if nothing else), maintain a place, pay bills. These people are always with us. Andvthey cant live on their own. Maybe controlled housing.
    2) the recent increase in working class homelessness caused by a housing shortage. The solution to that is council houses. Private subsidy doesn't work.

    Yes; from the 1970s there was a big movement towards "care in the community", releasing people from imprisonment in mental hospitals. The trouble is that this care is often not sufficient for those who are ill and need kindness and help and structure.


  • #49
    Harvey Normal
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    10,000-15,000 homeless in Denmark?

    And people want Ireland adopt their policies.

    Only reinforces my belief Ireland is one of the best countries in the world.

    I don't see that figure in the link. 500-5000 is what I saw.


  • #50
    JustTheOne
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    Harvey Normal wrote: »
    I don't see that figure in the link. 500-5000 is what I saw.

    Experts estimate that there are 10,000 to 15,000 homeless people in Denmark, about half of which live in the Copenhagen metropolitan area. The number of homeless persons continues to increase.


  • #51
    Chuchote
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    Denmark counts people without accommodation of their own as homeless, while Ireland counts only rough sleepers, I think?


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  • #52
    JustTheOne
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    Chuchote wrote: »
    Denmark counts people without accommodation of their own as homeless, while Ireland counts only rough sleepers, I think?

    No Ireland counts people in emergency accomodation as homeless.


  • #53
    Chuchote
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    No Ireland counts people in emergency accomodation as homeless.

    Really? Was looking at a Journal article and they were giving the number of rough sleepers.

    What is the number in Ireland, if you count emergency accommodation, sleeping rough, lost the house and sleeping in mammy's boxroom with the four kids, and so on?


  • #54
    Specialun
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    Something tells me that were not getting the whole story on this


  • #55
    JustTheOne
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    Chuchote wrote: »
    Really? Was looking at a Journal article and they were giving the number of rough sleepers.

    What is the number in Ireland, if you count emergency accommodation, sleeping rough, lost the house and sleeping in mammy's boxroom with the four kids, and so on?

    Yeah rough sleepers and people in emergency accomodation are regarded as homeless. Think it's around 2,000.


  • #56
    seamus
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    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Seriously, who cares? Who cares if they're junkies? They're killing themselves. If they went out and murdered someone or interfered with a child - (imo the lowest of the low, much worse than a junkie) they'd be guaranteed meals three times a day, medical services, courses and education, and a bed.

    A basic roof over your head at night time shouldn't be a luxury for the working class. Anybody with a pulse should have somewhere to sleep, something to wear, and something to eat, and be able to access medical services if needed - without bias.
    Hey I agree, but what's the solution? You can't stick drunk and strung out people into general homeless services, there'd be murder.

    I previously posited a solution of private-ish hostel services where you have a pre-fab/printed room with an ensuite toilet and shower. Virtually indestructible. Person goes in during the evening, the next morning the staff get them out, remove all fabrics and hose/bleach the whole place down before preparing it for the next night.

    But ultimately all you're doing there is moving the same problem off the streets into private. Staff will come in to dead people every other morning and it'll be just another dead junkie.

    How do you solve that problem?

    Someone going without a roof over their head and a meal in their belly is a symptom, not the whole problem in itself.


  • #57
    Chuchote
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    From last June in The Irish Times:
    The number of homeless children and families continues to increase with the latest figures for last month showing there were 2,177 homeless children in 1,054 families homeless across the State last month.


  • #58
    JustTheOne
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    Chuchote wrote: »
    From last June in The Irish Times:

    I see. So how many people is it?

    Still probably less than 1/3 of Denmarks homeless numbers.


  • #59
    Chuchote
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    They seem to have a plan, though. What's our plan?


  • #60
    JustTheOne
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    Chuchote wrote: »
    They seem to have a plan, though. What's our plan?

    30,000 social houses by 2020.


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  • #61
    Chuchote
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    That would be great - just four years away. But I'd have a little more confidence if they were being built by Dublin Corporation, as it was when it built with the very best materials and the very highest standards, with stringent inspection, rather than being built by our developer class, who don't have such a starry reputation.


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