Gis a house

Mary63

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/homeless-couple-living-in-tent-in-phoenix-park-plead-for-help-1.2835392

My father died and my brother died and my mother isn't well at all.I still have to pay for a mortgage on my house or else sell it and rent.

This woman is thirty five years of age and she is talking like a teenager.Why aren't herself and her partner working.

So sick of these articles.

Fr_Dougal

3 man tent for two people?

Well laaa deee daaa! No recession here!

Mary63

She might be renting out part of the tent to another homeless person.

She can take in two people and make 14k a year before tax.

She could also build a tree house for herself too.God,use your initiative please and stop expecting everyone else to put a roof over your head.

Gatling

Send her to trinity college

Jesus.

Ah I'd have sympathy for anyone who finds themselves in that situation. Don't be so heartless OP!

The King of Moo

Mary63 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/homeless-couple-living-in-tent-in-phoenix-park-plead-for-help-1.2835392

My father died and my brother died and my mother isn't well at all.I still have to pay for a mortgage on my house or else sell it and rent.

This woman is thirty five years of age and she is talking like a teenager.Why aren't herself and her partner working.

So sick of these articles.

Employers are just crying out for homeless people, with their usual attending mental and social issues, to work for them!

whiskeyman

Probably more to it than that's in that article, but I'm so grateful that I'm not in that situation.

Mary63

Sympathy all worn out and unlike the usual sob stories they don't have four ,five or six little faces peering out the tent door.

She is thirty five years of age,she needs to get a job ASAP,if her options are limited she can start off cleaning and work her way up from there.Does she want Dublin City Council to hand her a house free until the end of her days.

The King of Moo

Mary63 wrote: »

Sympathy all worn out and unlike the usual sob stories they don't have four ,five or six little faces peering out the tent door.

She is thirty five years of age,she needs to get a job ASAP,if her options are limited she can start off cleaning and work her way up from there.Does she want Dublin City Council to hand her a house free until the end of her days.

"I see on your CV you've put 'tent in Phoenix Park' as your address: could you tell us a little more about that?"

kidneyfan

Mary63 wrote: »

Does she want Dublin City Council to hand her a house free until the end of her days.

It's called a council house Mary. We don't all have big inheritances waiting for us Mary.

Jesus.

There's a dreadful shortage of social housing at the mo. Apparently the waiting list is 7 years long.

It doesn't sound like she has had much luck in life.

I think the nation needs to build loads of modern council houses.

Gatling

Jesus. wrote: »

There's a dreadful shortage of social housing at the mo. Apparently the waiting list is 7 years long.

10-12 year average wait across the country currently,
What's even worse 46 families living in hotels turned down social housing this year in the south Dublin county council area alone

kidneyfan

The country needs council houses. CPO the area between the Sydney Parade and Sandymount Dart Stations and the Sea and build a city in the sky.

corner of hells

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It doesn't sound like she has had much luck in life.

I think the nation needs to build loads of modern council houses.

How dare you make a sensible observation and then a follow up comment about building council housing.

I've readjusted my monocle and will give the butler a damn good beating later.

eviltwin

Mary63 wrote: »

Sympathy all worn out and unlike the usual sob stories they don't have four ,five or six little faces peering out the tent door.

She is thirty five years of age,she needs to get a job ASAP,if her options are limited she can start off cleaning and work her way up from there.Does she want Dublin City Council to hand her a house free until the end of her days.

Well aren't you a little ray of sunshine?

Mary63

There must be lots of empty houses in rural de populated areas.

If you can't afford to live in the City Centre then you have to move out,this is what working people with families do,they buy where they can afford and then have no life at all.Why should someone else just expect to be given a house in Dublin,this is two people who can work.

They should move to somewhere like Leitrim and get a job and rent privately.

Who is the nation pg633,do you mean the people starting their working lives now.Are you saying they should hand over 60% of their salary so the Government can provide housing to people who don't want to provide for themselves.

ArtSmart

well certainly some creative form of rent to buy with supported deposit for low/no income. Surely there's some accountant somewhere with a creative solution to this mess?

the councils are already in contracts with private landlords. but for rent only. nonsense. there should be a premium that after say 10-15 yrs, it becomes rent as purchase. the LL still wins. but so does the state.

jonon9

Why get so angry Mary, you got a nice roof over your head theses people have a piece of fabric stretched over a few plastic poles and I hate to break it to you but homeless people aren't exactly top of employers list so count your chickens dear.

padd b1975

kidneyfan wrote: »

It's called a council house Mary. We don't all have big inheritances waiting for us Mary.

The correct term is 'forever house'.

mikeym

That woman needs a hotel now!

Shes entitled to it.

Stigura

Mary63 wrote: »

They should move to somewhere like Leitrim and get a job and rent privately.

:rolleyes: FFS! " Leitrim " doesn't actually exist, doughnut! It's just a figure of speech! An analogy for some primitive form of existence. One that would make living in a tent, within the pale, seem like heaven on earth.

darkpagandeath

Claim Asylum problem solved.

SEPT 23 1989

Maybe our president will let them camp in the safety of his garden till they get sorted put his money where his mouth is

The King of Moo

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Maybe our president will let them camp in the safety of his garden till they get sorted put his money where his mouth is

They're actually pretty much doing that as it is.

evolvedmarmite

The problem with your stance OP is that you are assuming that everyone in society starts on the same level with the same opportunities. You seem embarrassingly unaware of any of life's circumstances that might lead to adults being homeless. Your black and white thinking does you no favours, and being angry at people who are genuinely struggling must be exhausting.

It's really great that you are in the enviable position of having a roof over your head, a job and a mortgage. Well done you! Perhaps you had supportive parents who were interested in your education and helped you become independent. You are in a more secure place in life than millions of others on the planet. Have you no concept of how difficult it must be to get back to any kind of normal life once you have hit rock bottom?!

I can't for the life of me imagine ever feeling anything but empathy and sadness for people living on the streets, and certainly not anger or disgust or a complete lack of understanding like your OP demonstrates.

Most of us are only a few steps away from being in the same situation. I don't know about you, but I'm damn grateful I'm not worrying about living under canvas for the winter. Shame on you OP.

the_syco

Ms O’Rourke said she has been turned away from homelessness services in the city on several occasions and fears for her life and that of her partner.

I wonder why she was turned away "from homelessness services in the city on several occasions"? They don't tend to do this unless you're not cooperating with them.

Mary63

Mary63 wrote: »

There must be lots of empty houses in rural de populated areas.

If you can't afford to live in the City Centre then you have to move out,this is what working people with families do,they buy where they can afford and then have no life at all.Why should someone else just expect to be given a house in Dublin,this is two people who can work.

They should move to somewhere like Leitrim and get a job and rent privately.

What job would you like them to get in leitrim Mary?

shafty100

hi mary it must be so good being you ,you and your like make me sick , what gives you the right to be so judgemental aboutsomeone you know so little about . the loss of a mother and father and 2 brothers in such a short time is only truly known by those who are unfortunate enough to have to go through such tragedy which i doubt you would know . this country in the last 5 years has spent 250 million euros on direct provision for non nationals and could not house our own , so charity does not begin at home . you really come across as a very selfish and shallow heartless snob that will never understand what hardship is .

I don't see in that article where she said she wasn't willing to live outside Dublin?
Or that she didn't want a job?
Imagine Mary, finding yourself in the position where you don't have a bathroom or access to a toilet when you have a period, imagine even trying to get an interview for a job. How many employers do you know would be willing to give her a job

Sand

the_syco wrote: »

I wonder why she was turned away "from homelessness services in the city on several occasions"? They don't tend to do this unless you're not cooperating with them.

There is probably a serious alcohol, drug or mental health problem at the root of why she and her partner are homeless for several years, and why services don't seem able to help them.

For the same reason people arguing they should just get a job *and* the people feeling they should just be given a house are both being unrealistic. Serious addicts cant hold down jobs and giving a serious addict a house will just lead to the house being gradually destroyed.

JustTheOne

shafty100 wrote: »

hi mary it must be so good being you ,you and your like make me sick , what gives you the right to be so judgemental aboutsomeone you know so little about . the loss of a mother and father and 2 brothers in such a short time is only truly known by those who are unfortunate enough to have to go through such tragedy which i doubt you would know . this country in the last 5 years has spent 250 million euros on direct provision for non nationals and could not house our own , so charity does not begin at home . you really come across as a very selfish and shallow heartless snob that will never understand what hardship is .

So do you think it's better if foreign nationals die on the streets instead of Irish?

Racist much?

Polo_Mint

Dublin needs to build a lot of emergency housing with strict conditions attached.

Not Council Housing

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

They're not asking for a house though? She's literally saying she can't live like a dog on the street, or in a park coming into winter. I agree. She's a human being. She clearly has nothing to her name, and has no support. At the very least, they should be getting her a bed in a hostel. That's the most basic of human rights, shelter.

I cannot bear the culture of the self entitled, the people who deserve a council house in the area they choose so they can be near their mam, or where they grew up, or that the government owes people a living on the dole. That their lifestyle should be funded.

I'm honestly not getting this from the article at all. What I'm getting is two desperate people living in a field with a tent to cover them. We've the heating on in the mornings and at night now, I sleep with an electric blanket and there's no shortage of fluffy blankets or duvets. I can't imagine begrudging someone in that position a hot meal, and somewhere safe to go asleep warm and cosy.

How are they ever supposed to pull themselves out of that cycle? Would you hire them? How will they support themselves? Will they even get dole with no address?

Emergency accommodation like hotels should be for this situation. People refusing to move out of emergency accommodation should be asked to leave because it's not an emergency if they can turn accommodation down. Two people shouldn't be laying in a doorway or in a tent like a dog, because Erica feels a 2 bed apartment in clontarf isn't good enough for her.

Barry Badrinath

Having people living on the street in 2016 is a disgrace.

Taking peoples varied, uncontrollable and sometimes self inflicted reasons for ending up there out of the equation. The Government really needs and can do more to solve this problem.

Initiatives could be set up where homeless people earn a wage performing even the most basic of tasks in the interest of each County Council.

A number of military and Garda barracks have been closed and or sold over the last few years. These could have been used for social and or emergency housing.

I know Clancy Barracks in Dublin was earmarked for social housing in the early '00. That was until they decided it would be "better" if it was sold to a developer for megabucks.

That Barracks could have housed hundreads of homeless people in emergency accomodation.

There are also baracks' around the country so its not just a Dublin thing.

shafty100

JustTheOne wrote: »

So do you think it's better if foreign nationals die on the streets instead of Irish?

Racist much?[/QUOTEyour missing the point .if it was all non nationals that were homeless then their would be a public outcry and something done but typically we shaft our own .racist no but our own people should definitely have priority over non nationals and if you consider this racist then tough

JustTheOne

shafty100 wrote: »

JustTheOne wrote: »

So do you think it's better if foreign nationals die on the streets instead of Irish?

Racist much?[/QUOTEyour missing the point .if it was all non nationals that were homeless then their would be a public outcry and something done but typically we shaft our own .racist no but our own people should definitely have priority over non nationals and if you consider this racist then tough

I don't think we should discriminate when talking about helping homeless people.

One group isn't more deserving to be on the streets than another.

JustTheOne

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Having people living on the street in 2016 is a disgrace.

Taking peoples varied, uncontrollable and sometimes self inflicted reasons for ending up there out of the equation. The Government really needs and can do more to solve this problem.

Initiatives could be set up where homeless people earn a wage performing even the most basic of tasks in the interest of each County Council.

A number of military and Garda barracks have been closed and or sold over the last few years. These could have been used for social and or emergency housing.

I know Clancy Barracks in Dublin was earmarked for social housing in the early '00. That was until they decided it would be "better" if it was sold to a developer for megabucks.

That Barracks could have housed hundreads of homeless people in emergency accomodation.

There are also baracks' around the country so its not just a Dublin thing.

You do know there is homeless people in every country in the world?

Do you expect Ireland to have the solution?

Chuchote

Mary63 wrote: »

Does she want Dublin City Council to hand her a house free until the end of her days.

Council houses and flats are not free.

seamus

There's always more to these stories than meets the eye. Why do they photograph and speak only to her and mention "her partner" as an add-on? Look at this respectable young lady sleeping rough in Dublin.

Because he's probably a complete mess and the story wouldn't read quite as well if they put his gaunt and semi-toothless face, slurring incomprehensibly in the video. That comes across as harsh, but it's the reality of media; paint the prettiest picture, not the truthful one.

Does that mean they deserve to be living in a tent - of course not. But it's frustrating to see so many "human interest" stories painted as "decent person, down on their luck, there but for the grace of god, etc.", when in fact there's an elephant in the room that's relevant to why they're in such a position in the first place.

How we help those struggling with addiction and at complete rock bottom, I genuinely haven't a fncking clue. Something needs to be done, but I don't know what. Giving them houses won't work, they'll be on the streets again within months. This woman comes from a background of addiction and abuse. No doubt poorly educated, if at all. Somehow that cycle has to be broken, but the question is how.

Chuchote

JustTheOne wrote: »

You do know there is homeless people in every country in the world?

Do you expect Ireland to have the solution?

Switzerland…

JustTheOne

Chuchote wrote: »

Switzerland…

Where are you getting that from?

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/poverty-in-switzerland_broke-and-homeless-on-the-streets-of-zurich/41058006

A simple Google debunks this straightaway.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

seamus wrote: »

There's always more to these stories than meets the eye. Why do they photograph and speak only to her and mention "her partner" as an add-on? Look at this respectable young lady sleeping rough in Dublin.

Because he's probably a complete mess and the story wouldn't read quite as well if they put his gaunt and semi-toothless face, slurring incomprehensibly in the video. That comes across as harsh, but it's the reality of media; paint the prettiest picture, not the truthful one.

Does that mean they deserve to be living in a tent - of course not. But it's frustrating to see so many "human interest" stories painted as "decent person, down on their luck, there but for the grace of god, etc.", when in fact there's an elephant in the room that's relevant to why they're in such a position in the first place.

How we help those struggling with addiction and at complete rock bottom, I genuinely haven't a fncking clue. Something needs to be done, but I don't know what. Giving them houses won't work, they'll be on the streets again within months. This woman comes from a background of addiction and abuse. No doubt poorly educated, if at all. Somehow that cycle has to be broken, but the question is how.

Seriously, who cares? Who cares if they're junkies? They're killing themselves. If they went out and murdered someone or interfered with a child - (imo the lowest of the low, much worse than a junkie) they'd be guaranteed meals three times a day, medical services, courses and education, and a bed.

A basic roof over your head at night time shouldn't be a luxury for the working class. Anybody with a pulse should have somewhere to sleep, something to wear, and something to eat, and be able to access medical services if needed - without bias.

Chuchote

An interesting Danish perspective http://www.humanityinaction.org/knowledgebase/9-homelessness-in-a-welfare-state-perspectives-from-copenhagen

Harvey Normal

There's two kinds of homeless.

1) the unhousable. I mean you need to pay rent (council rent if nothing else), maintain a place, pay bills. These people are always with us. Andvthey cant live on their own. Maybe controlled housing.
2) the recent increase in working class homelessness caused by a housing shortage. The solution to that is council houses. Private subsidy doesn't work.

JustTheOne

Chuchote wrote: »

An interesting Danish perspective http://www.humanityinaction.org/knowledgebase/9-homelessness-in-a-welfare-state-perspectives-from-copenhagen

10,000-15,000 homeless in Denmark?

And people want Ireland adopt their policies.

Only reinforces my belief Ireland is one of the best countries in the world.

subpar

Getting a council house for life is the equivalent of winning the lotto plus

Chuchote

Harvey Normal wrote: »

There's two kinds of homeless.

1) the unhousable. I mean you need to pay rent (council rent if nothing else), maintain a place, pay bills. These people are always with us. Andvthey cant live on their own. Maybe controlled housing.
2) the recent increase in working class homelessness caused by a housing shortage. The solution to that is council houses. Private subsidy doesn't work.

Yes; from the 1970s there was a big movement towards "care in the community", releasing people from imprisonment in mental hospitals. The trouble is that this care is often not sufficient for those who are ill and need kindness and help and structure.

Harvey Normal

JustTheOne wrote: »

10,000-15,000 homeless in Denmark?

And people want Ireland adopt their policies.

Only reinforces my belief Ireland is one of the best countries in the world.

I don't see that figure in the link. 500-5000 is what I saw.

JustTheOne

Harvey Normal wrote: »

I don't see that figure in the link. 500-5000 is what I saw.

Experts estimate that there are 10,000 to 15,000 homeless people in Denmark, about half of which live in the Copenhagen metropolitan area. The number of homeless persons continues to increase.

Chuchote

Denmark counts people without accommodation of their own as homeless, while Ireland counts only rough sleepers, I think?