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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #4262
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,542 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Imagine how pissed they'll be when they turn out to vote on November 28th

    Well trump said it but trump will probably claim that was a conspiracy of some sort. I think in the last few weeks it has dawned on the Republican Party of how damaging this election which they won't win will be to them going forward.


  • #4263
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,964 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    A part of me is wondering if Trump knows he can't win at this stage and is looking to set up a Trump TV or a similar enterprise to capitalise on his popularity.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #4264
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,542 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Brian? wrote: »
    No, they don't. Many people who self identify as libertarian fit the description of neoliberal.

    Late 20th century and early 21st century liberals believe that government plays a large role in regulating the economy. This is diametrically opposed to neoliberalism and classic liberalism.

    Modern liberals aren't really liberals anymore. It's all very confusing to be honest. I suppose progressive is a far more apt term and has started to replace liberal in the nomenclature.

    Well the term progressive has been used as a dirty word by several commentators on Fox News.

    Has trump and his rise been a kind of a perfect storm with a section of the us population finding what they feel is a person who will fix all their ills with the us ? That's how it looks to me anyway. I just would hope that nothing does happen post election.

    I think the Republican Party missed a chance as Hilary is not an unbeatable candidate in the slightest, if a true conservative GOP candidate had been selected.


  • #4265
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,542 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    A part of me is wondering if Trump knows he can't win at this stage and is looking to set up a Trump TV or a similar enterprise to capitalise on his popularity.

    I don't think trump has a firm grasp on reality, because as far as I can see he's lived in his world which isn't a genuine reality all of his life.


  • #4266
    B_Wayne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    A part of me is wondering if Trump knows he can't win at this stage and is looking to set up a Trump TV or a similar enterprise to capitalise on his popularity.

    I'm still inclined to say he's still potentially going to damage his businesses more regardless of any network tv opportunities.


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  • #4267
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,542 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    I'm still inclined to say he's still potentially going to damage his businesses more regardless of any network tv opportunities.

    Ive seen a link somewhere where the traffic to his golf courses was down in September. I think the brand trump will be damaged after this.


  • #4268
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,060 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    I'm still inclined to say he's still potentially going to damage his businesses more regardless of any network tv opportunities.

    I think his new alt.right TV channel will be his only business making money in 2017.

    His Hotel business is tanking this year. Bookings are way down, his new hotel in Washington is a ghost town and for the 1st time in it's history the company are launching hotels without the trump name
    The Trump Brand Is So Toxic That His Company Is Now Planning Hotels Without His Name on Them


  • #4269
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Not entirely true many neoliberals have such disrespect for Americans and their values. The condescending attacks. You can't say every liberal hates America which is also untrue but a great deal do. The divide in America is very big at the moment. Liberal America and Conservative America whereas most Americans are somewhere in the middle.

    It's pretty clear you don't understand the terms you're using: Neo Liberal and liberal.

    It kind of undermines everything else you try to say.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #4270
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Sorry but just a couple of posts ago you were complaining about the people accusing the Trumpists of being racist en masse. You are now in essence stating that most liberals hate America which is akin to accusing them of treason, which is in effect a call to violence against them. And your glib 'you can't say every' disclaimer is fooling no one.

    Have you any evidence at all that a 'great deal' of liberals hate America? Literally any evidence at all that goes to prove that claim.

    Do you understand that stating that a segment of the American population hates America is an extraordinarily dangerous claim to make?



    Yes there is a growing chasm in America but since you seem intent on furthering it I don't know how you expect us to take your apparent concern about it seriously.

    Honestly and frankly speaking you just seem to be repeating verbatim talking points from a presentation to the least informed of republican voters.

    I'll give you an example by posting this video and see if you disagree with some of the points that were raised.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wETVzn4M9Xc

    This is not my opinion but the belief of many Americans.


  • #4271
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    I'll give you an example by posting this video and see if you disagree with some of the points that were raised.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wETVzn4M9Xc

    This is not my opinion but the belief of many Americans.
    A Bill O'Reilly rant that has nothing to do with the questions asked.

    Having been accused of spouting talking points, you then link to more talking points. :rolleyes:


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  • #4272
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    A Bill O'Reilly rant that has nothing to do with the questions asked.

    Having been accused of spouting talking points, you then link to more talking points. :rolleyes:

    Yes and you dismiss it like that. Proving my point.


  • #4273
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Yes and you dismiss it like that. Proving my point.
    You have yet to actually make a coherent point.

    You run away from uncomfortable questions.


  • #4274
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Yes and you dismiss it like that. Proving my point.

    It's got nothing to do with the point you were claiming to defend. That's why it's rightly dismissed as dissembling.


  • #4275
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    I'll give you an example by posting this video and see if you disagree with some of the points that were raised.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wETVzn4M9Xc

    This is not my opinion but the belief of many Americans.

    I'll happy provide you with an opinion once you have answered the questions and responded to the points that I posed to you.


  • #4276
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    I'll happy provide you with an opinion once you have answered the questions and responded to the points that I posed to you.

    Alright I win concede hate is too strong a word.


  • #4277
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    In 1995, this happened - a far right wing attack on America. Coincidentally, under President Clinton's watch. Could something similar happen again under a different President Clinton?


  • #4278
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Obama had a few words to say today about Trump's whining:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPpt7-QOGKc


  • #4279
    Agent Smith
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    In 1995, this happened - a far right wing attack on America. Coincidentally, under President Clinton's watch. Could something similar happen again under a different President Clinton?

    Someone watched Reeling in the years this evening.....


  • #4280
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Agent Smith wrote: »
    Someone watched Reeling in the years this evening.....

    I did indeed and it struck me as a large coincidence that this should have happened under Bill Clinton in his first few months of office. Also, it was American home grown terrorism that was to blame.

    I hope that the Trumpist's right wing do not try to emulate this atrocity.


  • #4281
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Why are so many Americans brain washed into doing exactly what the crooked government wants them to do. I still think polls are wrong like in the Brexit vote. Who was polling the council estates of the north east of uk, no one. And no one is polling the people in the sticks in USA either. All these rednecks and slack jawed yokels will emerge from the woods to wreak havoc with polls in so many swing states.


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  • #4282
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I did indeed and it struck me as a large coincidence that this should have happened under Bill Clinton in his first few months of office. Also, it was American home grown terrorism that was to blame.

    I hope that the Trumpist's right wing do not try to emulate this atrocity.
    He's stoking the flames for another one.


  • #4283
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,512 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    Obama had a few words to say today about Trump's whining:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPpt7-QOGKc

    Can't wait to see Trumps twitter rant after this.


  • #4284
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Why are so many Americans brain washed into doing exactly what the crooked government wants them to do. I still think polls are wrong like in the Brexit vote. Who was polling the council estates of the north east of uk, no one. And no one is polling the people in the sticks in USA either. All these rednecks and slack jawed yokels will emerge from the woods to wreak havoc with polls in so many swing states.

    No they won't. Swing states are polled ad-infinitum, including the rednecks.

    What precisely are the 'brainwashed' being asked to do by the 'crooked government'? It's not entirely clear.


  • #4285
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Why are so many Americans brain washed into doing exactly what the crooked government wants them to do. I still think polls are wrong like in the Brexit vote. Who was polling the council estates of the north east of uk, no one. And no one is polling the people in the sticks in USA either. All these rednecks and slack jawed yokels will emerge from the woods to wreak havoc with polls in so many swing states.
    Actually the polls for brexit were within the margin for error of the result. There was a last minute swing towards leave.

    As for the other nonsense about 'brainwashing' and 'crooked government'. Easy. Everybody is brain washed. Look how easily you've been brain washed into believing polls are wrong.


  • #4286
    Black Swan
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,769 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    There's a strong suggestion that he's going to move into TV and media once the election is over. It was mooted some time back when he started surrounding himself with the likes of Roger Ailes and his strong links with Breitbart and InfoWars.

    He's already built himself a following that he could use as a base for a media empire.
    Didn't Sarah Palin do the same thing after she lost the Vice Presidency in 2008 and resigned half-way through her 1st term as Alaska's governor in 2009? Cable TV?


  • #4287
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    All these rednecks and slack jawed yokels will emerge from the woods to wreak havoc with polls in so many swing states.

    Brilliant odds at Paddy Power right now if you actually believe this.


  • #4288
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    alastair wrote: »
    No they won't. Swing states are polled ad-infinitum, including the rednecks.

    What precisely are the 'brainwashed' being asked to do by the 'crooked government'? It's not entirely clear.


    Not very clear, hmmm secretary of state Hilary makes a salary of 186,000$ .
    Now where does her millions of dollars come from. Where oh where, could it be she tells the stupid public what they want to hear while selling them out and laughing about it behind their backs. Hmmmm could it be , hmmmm .
    She's the most crooked person in world politics.


  • #4289
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,542 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Heard a clip of obama dismissing this whole rigged election lark from trump. He made a point I hadn't considered actually and it's that states that have republican governors will have republican officials overseeing the voting in those states.


  • #4290
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Brilliant odds at Paddy Power right now if you actually believe this.

    9-2 is not huge.
    How many times have we seen a 9-2 beat a 1-6 shot.


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  • #4291
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    The odds would suggest about 15% of the time, which is totally fair going by (TRIGGER WARNING FOR TRUMP FANS) FiveThirtyEight's calculations.


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