Doctor Struck Off, Didn't know Arse from Elbow

foggy_lad · 18-10-2016 05:54PM #1

Finally a senior surgical house officer has been struck off the medical register and the Judge had some choice remarks including

Mr Justice Kelly said he found it disturbing that someone with such substandard skills, could find himself on the medical register and find himself employed at three different hospitals.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1018/824969-court-medical-appeal/

It would appear that anyone can don a white coat and rock up to a hospital and start playing doctor. sure even that mad yoke who was head of the charity Console was also charged with impersonating a doctor before.

If I buy a sexy looking medical certificate from some African university can I then go to a hospital here and tell them I have come from Africa to work in hospitals here?

Also worrying is the comments from this guy after being struck off

After the verdict, Dr Hassan said it was "meaningless".

Outside the court, Dr Hassan said the decision was unfair and that he would take things into his own hands.

To me he sounds like he does not recognise the court and may continue to practice medicine here despite being struck off.

Cervantes2 · 18-10-2016 05:56PM

Hi Doctor Nick!

18-10-2016 05:57PM

Didn't know his arse from his elbow more like

Robsweezie · 18-10-2016 05:57PM

Reminds me of leo dicaprios character in catch me if you can

whiskeyman · 18-10-2016 05:59PM

Did it mention anything about the background checks / interview and hiring process of the places he worked in?

Just as guilty of poor practice IMM*O

(the extra M is for medical...)

:pac:

Dr Turk Turkelton · 18-10-2016 06:00PM

Robsweezie wrote: »

Reminds me of leo dicaprios character in catch me if you can

I concur.

Gatling · 18-10-2016 06:01PM

One of tens of other cases mainly involving foreign qualified Doctors employed thoughout the the health system here

toptom · 18-10-2016 06:02PM

Deport the fraudster

Gatling · 18-10-2016 06:03PM

There was another case a few weeks back where a hospital Doctor didn't even have basic CPR training

oik · 18-10-2016 06:04PM

What about charges for the person who hired them?

foggy_lad · 18-10-2016 06:04PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

Did it mention anything about the background checks / interview and hiring process of the places he worked in?

Just as guilty of poor practice IMM*O

(the extra M is for medical...)

:pac:

It appears when they started to catch him out in one place he just moved on to the next hospital, but there should have been far better procedures in place as this guy had numerous complaints from patients as well as subordinate staff that he didn't know basic stuff and was making stupid mistakes, there may also have been issues over his language proficiency.

whiskeyman · 18-10-2016 06:04PM

Gatling wrote: »

There was another case a few weeks back where a hospital Doctor didn't even have basic CPR training

He should be told to beat it!

Gatling · 18-10-2016 06:06PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

He should be told to beat it!

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/doctor-who-didnt-know-simple-cpr-found-guilty-of-poor-performance-35100862.html

foggy_lad · 18-10-2016 06:24PM

Gatling wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/doctor-who-didnt-know-simple-cpr-found-guilty-of-poor-performance-35100862.html

He said his medical qualifications gained in Bulgaria had been accepted by the Medical Council.

Give me a proper Irish doctor(if there are any left?).

sullivlo · 18-10-2016 06:33PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Give me a proper Irish doctor(if there are any left?).

Plenty of Irish people studying in Hungary/England/Belfast/Bulgaria to qualify to become doctors because they can't get into college here to study.

The qualification isn't the issue. Degrees are verified. Academic institutions are accountable for their graduates.

The hospitals that train the students should be accountable.

However hiring managers should be accountable too in checking references. Anyone can write anything on a CV if nobody checks it out.

Unfortunately these cases are becoming more frequent and more high profile.

But a question actually. There are two surgeons on duty. One is an Irish doctor trained in Ireland who trained in the 60's. One is an Italian doctor who trained in Italy in the 00's. You need an operation on your stomach that can be done through keyhole surgery, and the Italian doctor is better able to do the procedure keyhole rather than open as they had better access to the equipment than the older Irish doctor. Who would you choose to operate on you?

foggy_lad · 18-10-2016 06:46PM

Another report about this latest struck off doctor states that he made serious threats when told he would be struck off.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/court-upholds-decision-to-strike-off-doctor-who-mistook-ankle-for-elbow-on-xray-35140661.html

After the judge confirmed his striking off, Dr Hassan, who qualified in Sudan, said "for me it is meaningless".

When the judge ordered he pay the costs of the legal action, Dr Hassan said he did "not believe in the integrity of the procedure."

He also said he did not believe it was a fair decision.

In his appeal to the court, Dr Hassan argued, among other things, he should not be struck off because the evidence against him did not meet the required standard.

He also said the complaints against him should never have been referred to the Fitness to Practice Committee because they were not of a serious and grave nature.

Among those incidents, which happened in the Midland Regional Hospital Portlaoise, Mayo General, and Galway University Hospital between 2012 to 2014, was while performing a gall bladder related procedure he stood on the pedal of an electrosurgical machine, which was not in use, and caused a burn injury to a patient.

On another, he attempted to insert a needle into a patient's arm on a number of occasions, causing her pain, even though the procedure was not necessary.

While senior house officer in Mayo General, on one occasion, he failed to provide assistance to an intern who was dealing with a patient experiencing an upper gastrointestinal haemorrhage

In an incident in the Galway hospital, he failed to attend in a timely manner, or at all, to review a patient, who had presented in significant pain with an ankle fracture.

Around February 17, 2014, during a trauma meeting/teaching session in Galway, he misidentified an x-ray image of an ankle as being one of an elbow.

This is quite sinister!

The court previously heard Dr Hassan had complained about his treatment at the public inquiry and threatened in correspondence it "will be fully paid for at an extremely bloody price for the people involved worldwide".

He also wrote there would be "a grave response from me an my family side to these events outside court and not necessarily in Ireland".

This guy should be declared a threat to the state and deported!

Grayson · 18-10-2016 06:49PM

sullivlo wrote: »

Plenty of Irish people studying in Hungary/England/Belfast/Bulgaria to qualify to become doctors because they can't get into college here to study.

The qualification isn't the issue. Degrees are verified. Academic institutions are accountable for their graduates.

The hospitals that train the students should be accountable.

However hiring managers should be accountable too in checking references. Anyone can write anything on a CV if nobody checks it out.

Unfortunately these cases are becoming more frequent and more high profile.

But a question actually. There are two surgeons on duty. One is an Irish doctor trained in Ireland who trained in the 60's. One is an Italian doctor who trained in Italy in the 00's. You need an operation on your stomach that can be done through keyhole surgery, and the Italian doctor is better able to do the procedure keyhole rather than open as they had better access to the equipment than the older Irish doctor. Who would you choose to operate on you?

That's the thing isn't it. I know a doctor in his 30's. He's already at consultant level. I shared an apt with him when he was a registrar. He studied every day. He still does now. Since he was doing the leaving he's been studying. That's why he's at the top of his field and will stay there.

gctest50 · 18-10-2016 06:49PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

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This guy should be declared a threat to the state and deported!

He'd just go on to leave a trail of destruction elsewhere, lock him up

Gatling · 18-10-2016 07:15PM

I remember having to have an emergency Cather fitted after an operation ,
Had a young Doctor from Asia come in and tried in vain to insert the Cather after several attempts and ignoring the sheer amount of pain he was causing a young nurse stepped in and got him to stop what he was doing until a consultant was there ,

When the consultant on call arrived he asked what the doctor thought he was doing wrong that he couldn't do a simple Cather insertion ,
Young Dr replied ive only read about the procedure in a text book and never done it as training

osarusan · 18-10-2016 07:18PM

sullivlo wrote: »

But a question actually. There are two surgeons on duty. One is an Irish doctor trained in Ireland who trained in the 60's. One is an Italian doctor who trained in Italy in the 00's. You need an operation on your stomach that can be done through keyhole surgery, and the Italian doctor is better able to do the procedure keyhole rather than open as they had better access to the equipment than the older Irish doctor. Who would you choose to operate on you?

I know this one!!!

The one with the bigger boobs.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 18-10-2016 07:42PM

That's not the first time Portlaoise had a dr that didn't know what they were at. There was a case maybe two years ago where someone who wasn't even qualified was hired as an a+e dr and had attempted to insert a cannula with a scalpel only to be stopped and reported by a nurse, and turns out he'd also given someone with a Tumor the all clear.

Quite scary. But to be honest, even the good Drs are so over worked you'd be questioning if you were safe or not.

FishOnABike · 18-10-2016 07:45PM

At least there is a working disciplinary process for our medical profession. Unfortunately mistakes have to be made before there can be a complaint or cause for disciplinary action. More's the pity we don't have a similar fitness to practice process for some of our judiciary.

The current process whereby a two thirds majority of the dáil is required to remove a judge from office essentially makes our judiciary unaccountable for their actions.

ZeroThreat · 18-10-2016 07:46PM

foggy_lad · 18-10-2016 07:51PM

FishOnABike wrote: »

At least there is a working disciplinary process for our medical profession. Unfortunately mistakes have to be made before there can be a complaint or cause for disciplinary action. More's the pity we don't have a similar fitness to practice process for some of our judiciary.

The current process whereby a two thirds majority of the dáil is required to remove a judge from office essentially makes our judiciary unaccountable for their actions.

How about a medical examination for doctors that can be sprung on them at short notice? like saying to them "turn up at x building on Monday morning at 9pm for your examination or consider yourself sh1tcanned" and keep the exam limited to the basics, stuff a doctor should be able to do day to day and symptoms that they should recognise rather than obscure tropical or rare conditions.

darkpagandeath · 18-10-2016 07:53PM

I assume he will have to pay back wages ? Any pension contributions and alike gotten rid of ? Would it not be akin to fraud ?

gctest50 · 18-10-2016 08:03PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I assume he will have to pay back wages ? Any pension contributions and alike gotten rid of ? Would it not be akin to fraud ?

Ah no, he might go on to open a charity

Paul Kelly ( console.ie ) made headlines for another reason in 1983 when he was given the Probation Act for pretending to be a doctor at the Royal City of Dublin Hospital in Baggot Street for three weeks.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/console-boss-who-won-awards-for-charity-work-once-pretended-to-be-a-doctor-34844858.html

SEPT 23 1989 · 18-10-2016 08:19PM

I presume the absolute morons that hired him will be fired

Outlaw Pete · 18-10-2016 08:21PM

I was diagnosed with a deficiency of a hormone that is produced by the Gonads and Adrenals many years ago. They didn't know why and so I was referred to a Professor of Endocrinology. He was in his mid 50's at the time. At my first consultation with him he said never heard of the hormone I was deficient in.

I have since met many people who have seen him over the years and apparently nurses have nicked named him the spoofer as it became so common for him to waffle to patients about not being able to find what was wrong with them only for other consultants in the hospital to have no problem doing so.

I think we'd be shocked if we knew the truth about some of the imbeciles in or hospitals that have some how managed to hold down their jobs despite not being remotely good at them. They are a sacred cow if ever there was one.

darkpagandeath · 18-10-2016 08:25PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I presume the absolute morons that hired him will be fired

Civil servant, Prob got a promotion due to Equality and all that ?

Dr Turk Turkelton · 18-10-2016 08:30PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I presume the absolute morons that hired him will be fired

Godamn you, now I have to go to see an unqualified doctor to patch up my ribs while laughing so heartliy at the suggestion that someone in the medical profession in Ireland would be held accountable for something.

StupidLikeAFox · 18-10-2016 08:37PM

Nurse: "This man has a tennis injury, hurt his arm, what should we prescribe?"

Fake doctor: "Arse cream"

Nurse: "Something isn't right here....."

Doctor Struck Off, Didn't know Arse from Elbow

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