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2016 U.S. Presidential Race Megathread Mark 2.

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  • #4202
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,966 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    SterlingArcher wrote: »
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2016/09/26/wannabe-global-dominatrix-hillary-clinton-never-met-a-war-she-didnt-want-other-americans-to-fight/#5abae2b16aa9

    Please don't just dump links here. Thanks.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #4203
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Brian? wrote: »
    This might come as a shock, but being elected is a Democratic mandate from the electorate. That's far more important than some abstract notion of being "in tune with the wishes of the electorate". Although by winning the election it would be safe for Clinton to assume she is in tune with these wishes.

    Anyway, you haven't really replied to my post. Shouldn't a candidate for POTUS be au fait with the nuances of Islam?

    No not really since Islam is not one but many religious sects. You have Shia and you have Sunni and you have Wahhabi not to mention Salafi or Hanbali or any secular version so by saying Hillary should know about Islam are we suppose to expect her to pick a side. What she should know is which brand of Islam represents a danger to the world and to peace.

    Trump is not suggesting all Muslims are terrorists only the Jihadists who are terrorists and Jihadists are Muslims and have their own ideology separate to but in accordance to the principals of the Quran. So Hamas the Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Arabia practice the same version of Islam. Hillary does not mind cozying up the Wahhabi version of Islam and labeling Trump a bigot for being opposed to importing that extremism into Europe and America.


  • #4204
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,859 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    No not really since Islam is not one but many religious sects. You have Shia and you have Sunni and you have Wahhabi not to mention Salafi or Hanbali or any secular version so by saying Hillary should know about Islam are we suppose to expect her to pick a side. What she should know is which brand of Islam represents a danger to the world and to peace.

    Trump is not suggesting all Muslims are terrorists only the Jihadists who are terrorists and Jihadists are Muslims and have their own ideology separate to but in accordance to the principals of the Quran. So Hamas the Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Arabia practice the same version of Islam. Hillary does not mind cozying up the Wahhabi version of Islam and labeling Trump a bigot for being opposed to importing that extremism into Europe and America.

    Wow. You just won't give up on the "I'm ignoring what he said in favour of what it suits my argument to believe he meant" line of argument, will you?

    It's no wonder Trump supporters claim the media is biased against him. They keep reporting what he said, instead of what it would be charitable to assume he meant.


  • #4205
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,060 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Overheal wrote: »
    The FBI/NSA watchlist keeps growing

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-supporter-tells-reporters-hillary-needs-to-be-taken-out/

    This kind of stuff is the truly terrifying un-intended consequence of Trumps rhetoric..

    I don't for a second believe that in the cold light of day , Trump actually wants people commiting acts of violence etc. , he's just an extreme narcissist with absolutely no control over his thought process.

    However , there are enough mentally unstable people out there that will add together the 2+2 of Trumps vitriolic ramblings and come up with 5 leading to the very real risk of bombs and/or gun attacks on polling day or indeed post election acts of violence against a Clinton victory..

    It's a frightening thing to contemplate..


  • #4206
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    No not really since Islam is not one but many religious sects. You have Shia and you have Sunni and you have Wahhabi not to mention Salafi or Hanbali or any secular version so by saying Hillary should know about Islam are we suppose to expect her to pick a side. What she should know is which brand of Islam represents a danger to the world and to peace.
    I'm pretty sure Hillary is well able to grasp the range of beliefs within Islam, just as she's able to grasp the range of beliefs within Christianity. You seem very concerned on precisely zero evidence. And more worryingly seem very blasé about a man who clearly demonstrates no such grasp.
    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Trump is not suggesting all Muslims are terrorists
    Strange then that he has a blanket ban policy on Muslim immigration?
    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    only the Jihadists who are terrorists and Jihadists are Muslims and have their own ideology separate to but in accordance to the principals of the Quran. So Hamas the Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Arabia practice the same version of Islam.
    No they don't. Perhaps you need to revisit this grasp of the various strands of Islamism, let alone Islam?

    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Hillary does not mind cozying up the Wahhabi version of Islam and labeling Trump a bigot for being opposed to importing that extremism into Europe and America.
    By 'that extremism' you (or Trump in any case) mean, of course, any Muslims.


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  • #4207
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    No not really since Islam is not one but many religious sects. You have Shia and you have Sunni and you have Wahhabi not to mention Salafi or Hanbali or any secular version so by saying Hillary should know about Islam are we suppose to expect her to pick a side. What she should know is which brand of Islam represents a danger to the world and to peace.

    I know this, you know this and I'd bet my house that Hillary knows this. I don't need a lesson on Islam's various sects, and either does Hillary. It's not exactly string theory. I would expect most candidates for federal elections to have this knowledge. Trump clearly doesn't. He wanted to ban all Muslims.


    Trump is not suggesting all Muslims are terrorists only the Jihadists who are terrorists and Jihadists are Muslims and have their own ideology separate to but in accordance to the principals of the Quran. So Hamas the Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Arabia practice the same version of Islam. Hillary does not mind cozying up the Wahhabi version of Islam and labeling Trump a bigot for being opposed to importing that extremism into Europe and America.

    Again, you're quoting me but you're not responding to my post. Any chance to you could?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #4208
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    This kind of stuff is the truly terrifying un-intended consequence of Trumps rhetoric..

    I don't for a second believe that in the cold light of day , Trump actually wants people commiting acts of violence etc. , he's just an extreme narcissist with absolutely no control over his thought process.

    However , there are enough mentally unstable people out there that will add together the 2+2 of Trumps vitriolic ramblings and come up with 5 leading to the very real risk of bombs and/or gun attacks on polling day or indeed post election acts of violence against a Clinton victory..

    It's a frightening thing to contemplate..
    To be honest I would love to agree with you, but with some of the comments he has made, his astoundingly vindictive personality, and indeed his own worrying mental instability which has been on full display for the last several weeks, I wouldn't be so sure.


  • #4209
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Wow. You just won't give up on the "I'm ignoring what he said in favour of what it suits my argument to believe he meant" line of argument, will you?

    It's no wonder Trump supporters claim the media is biased against him. They keep reporting what he said, instead of what it would be charitable to assume he meant.

    I've been true this already with him in the first thread. At length.

    First, it was not what Trump meant because Trump was "all for religious tolerance".

    Then, the 'complete and utter shutdown' statement was media spin, something Trump never said. Despite it having been pointed out on multiple occasions to Brian that the statement was taken directly from Trump's website.

    It continued to be something "he never said" until I put up videos of Trump reading said statement 100% verbatim.

    After this, despite showing other quotes of Trump saying he literally meant 'all Muslims' Brian continued to try and claim it was only terrorists. Despite there already being a terror watch list that has people banned from being in the US.

    All this time, Brian was trying to claim that he nor Trump (despite Trump's own words to the exact opposite) saw Muslims as any kind of a problem nor as an enemy. A few weeks later in (if I recall) a different argument relating to Trump, Brian let slip that he does actually see Muslims as a problem and the enemy and supported Trump because he agreed.

    Everyone reading can make of the above what they will, though it should be somewhat obvious.

    Can't say it here because it would get carded and probably deservedly so even though I don't actually mean it as an insult, but over the course of these two threads... well, just check your PMs.

    EDIT: here we are...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99927196&postcount=7373
    Kingbrian2, June 3rd 2016 wrote:
    I have been consistent throughout.Trump has been opposed to Jihadism in America, Jihadism is the same as Islamism. Islamism is the rejection of American values and to be one is to repudiate the Republic. Trump's bellicose is directly at those extremists. People like you are grouping all the Muslims together and shouting Islamophobe, Islamophobe to your hearts content.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100530637&postcount=9090
    Kingbrian2, July 31st 2016 wrote:
    Yes I do stand by stating that remark because America does have a major problem with Muslims

    There is a very obvious reason why I have since put him on ignore since.


  • #4210
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump has turned Alaska into a swing state!

    http://www.mediaite.com/election-2016/latest-poll-shows-trump-and-clinton-essentially-tied-in-traditionally-red-alaska/

    Ah, what a disaster


  • #4211
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    alastair wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure Hillary is well able to grasp the range of beliefs within Islam, just as she's able to grasp the range of beliefs within Christianity. You seem very concerned on precisely zero evidence. And more worryingly seem very blasé about a man who clearly demonstrates no such grasp.


    Strange then that he has a blanket ban policy on Muslim immigration?


    No they don't. Perhaps you need to revisit this grasp of the various strands of Islamism, let alone Islam?



    By 'that extremism' you (or Trump in any case) mean, of course, any Muslims.

    Trump is in agreement with many in Europe that the refugees arriving have jihadists hiding among them and the irresponsible decisions made by Congress and other western capitals has led to more Jihadists not less Jihadists. People keep accusing me of being a Jihadists yet I opposed the invasion of a Muslim Nation like so many Trump supporters. Many of the anti Jihadists out there are Muslims themselves who i have a great deal of respect for including both the Kurds and the Palestinians who are always excluded from this conversation. I'm not blind to the hazards posed by the crazy policies of the liberals.


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  • #4212
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Trump is in agreement with many in Europe that the refugees arriving have jihadists hiding among them and the irresponsible decisions made by Congress and other western capitals has led to more Jihadists not less Jihadists. People keep accusing me of being a Jihadists yet I opposed the invasion of a Muslim Nation like so many Trump supporters. Many of the anti Jihadists out there are Muslims themselves who i have a great deal of respect for including both the Kurds and the Palestinians who are always excluded from this conversation. I'm not blind to the hazards posed by the crazy policies of the liberals.

    Just blind to the crazy policies of the far right?


  • #4213
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Trump is in agreement with many in Europe that the refugees arriving have jihadists hiding among them and the irresponsible decisions made by Congress and other western capitals has led to more Jihadists not less Jihadists. People keep accusing me of being a Jihadists yet I opposed the invasion of a Muslim Nation like so many Trump supporters. Many of the anti Jihadists out there are Muslims themselves who i have a great deal of respect for including both the Kurds and the Palestinians who are always excluded from this conversation. I'm not blind to the hazards posed by the crazy policies of the liberals.

    It's bizarre how you quote a post and then make several points that are nothing to do with the post quoted. It makes debate difficult.

    There is no such thing as a "Jihadist". The literal translation of jihad is struggle. There are may peaceful types of jihad; child birth, working fields and milling wheat are all jihad.

    The groups you are referring to are terrorists. Plain and simple. I would have a hard time calling them radical Islamists even. There are people who I'd call radical Islamists and are pacifists. Because they interpret the Quran differently.

    Even though I'm an atheist, posting on this thread feels like jihad sometimes. Badum -tish.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #4214
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    So much for that 'Trump comeback' narrative... he has just nosedived to an 11.8% chance of winning on 538 - the lowest point of the entire election cycle outside of Aug 14th (10.8%) and 15th (11.1%).

    Clinton's odds at the bookmakers (something Trump fans were clinging to eagerly during the second debate) are now as low as 1/8 to win the election, with Trumps as high as 6/1 - http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner

    This election cycle was good as done the morning after the first debate, but was completely done within an hour of the 'grab them by the pussy' video being put up.


  • #4215
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Brian? wrote: »
    It's bizarre how you quote a post and then make several points that are nothing to do with the post quoted. It makes debate difficult.

    There is no such thing as a "Jihadist". The literal translation of jihad is struggle. There are may peaceful types of jihad; child birth, working fields and milling wheat are all jihad.

    The groups you are referring to are terrorists. Plain and simple. I would have a hard time calling them radical Islamists even. There are people who I'd call radical Islamists and are pacifists. Because they interpret the Quran differently.

    Even though I'm an atheist, posting on this thread feels like jihad sometimes. Badum -tish.

    Yes I understand where your coming from. There are Jihadists who are committed to do just that though attack the west and Muslim states. They already existed now they have gone all 21st century on us so this makes them a lot worse. Al Qaeda, ISIS and all the rest have taken passages from the Quran and devote themselves to indiscriminately attacking the world. It is a mistake not to call them Jihadists and not to treat them as such. We also have the whole Shia-Sunni divide which America should not be getting involved in. Literally a conflict going on since the beginning of Islam. This is a Muslim matter let them sort it out themselves.


  • #4216
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    538 image of their current projected EC votes (344 Clinton, 194 Trump)... if it does play out like this, comedians are going to spend the next few years cleaning up on renaming the Bible Belt & flyover states as the Deplorable Belt or something along those lines.

    123.png


  • #4217
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

    From just a few hours ago, Hillary has jumped to 88.2/85% and Trump is at 11.8/15% (Polls/Polls+Historical)

    The current chance of flipping Arizona is 53.5/43% and of flipping Alaska 34.4/25.6% with the most recent polls showing a statistical tie in AK. Without a momentum shift he will lose Iowa, North Carolina, and Ohio without debate. He is projected to have a 10% chance of winning Pennsylvania, the state where, Trump says, it will be proven the election is rigged and we can look forward to dangerous rhetoric from him about it.

    399390.PNG

    he looks farther and farther away from 270 everyday, and the number of 'solid blue' states in the model has now reached over the finish line. Trump has nothing left to win this election with: "unshackled" from any allies he should have, his surrogates in the media waste their days arguing about airline armrests and the Wikileaks emails do not in any way appear to be making any solid dent on the number of likely voters that will put Clinton into office on November 8th, and not a whole lot of recruitment of people to vote for Trump "on November 28th"

    I find the decline really promising: it shows there are still plenty of non-deplorable supporters of his who know when to call it quits. Most of those affected simply won't vote. Turnout will be low, except among the core of Die-hards and the armies of spite votes.

    I wonder what will happen to SC, it's starting to go very pale in the predictions too..


  • #4218
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,060 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Overheal wrote: »
    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

    From just a few hours ago, Hillary has jumped to 88.2/85% and Trump is at 11.8/15% (Polls/Polls+Historical)

    The current chance of flipping Arizona is 53.5/43% and of flipping Alaska 34.4/25.6% with the most recent polls showing a statistical tie in AK. Without a momentum shift he will lose Iowa, North Carolina, and Ohio without debate. He is projected to have a 10% chance of winning Pennsylvania, the state where, Trump says, it will be proven the election is rigged and we can look forward to dangerous rhetoric from him about it.

    399390.PNG

    he looks farther and farther away from 270 everyday, and the number of 'solid blue' states in the model has now reached over the finish line. Trump has nothing left to win this election with: "unshackled" from any allies he should have, his surrogates in the media waste their days arguing about airline armrests and the Wikileaks emails do not in any way appear to be making any solid dent on the number of likely voters that will put Clinton into office on November 8th, and not a whole lot of recruitment of people to vote for Trump "on November 28th"

    I find the decline really promising: it shows there are still plenty of non-deplorable supporters of his who know when to call it quits.


    Some of the info around the "Crazy and Not so Crazy Scenarios" are interesting the say the least..

    Crazy and not-so-crazy scenarios

    Here are the chances we’ll see these election outcomes.

    Electoral College deadlock no candidate gets 270 electoral votes 0.3%
    Electoral College 269-269 tie 0.2%
    Recount at least one decisive state within 0.5 ppt 3.8%
    Clinton wins popular vote 91.7%
    Trump wins popular vote 8.3%
    Clinton wins popular vote but loses Electoral College 4.1%
    Trump wins popular vote but loses Electoral College 0.5%
    Johnson wins at least one electoral vote 0.8%
    McMullin wins at least one electoral vote 5.9%
    Clinton majority wins at least 50 percent of the vote 48.0%
    Trump majority wins at least 50 percent of the vote 1.1%
    Clinton landslide double-digit popular vote margin 26.6%
    Trump landslide double-digit popular vote margin 0.2%
    Map exactly the same as in 2012 0.4%
    Clinton wins at least one state Mitt Romney won in 2012 85.6%
    Trump wins at least one state President Obama won in 2012 56.7%


  • #4219
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Trump is in agreement with many in Europe that the refugees arriving have jihadists hiding among them and the irresponsible decisions made by Congress and other western capitals has led to more Jihadists not less Jihadists. People keep accusing me of being a Jihadists yet I opposed the invasion of a Muslim Nation like so many Trump supporters. Many of the anti Jihadists out there are Muslims themselves who i have a great deal of respect for including both the Kurds and the Palestinians who are always excluded from this conversation. I'm not blind to the hazards posed by the crazy policies of the liberals.

    Quite the evasion of the questions to hand.

    New red herrings: You do realise that both the Palestinians and Kurds you admire have engaged in terrorist activities abroad, and that the Syrian refugees have to date contributed precisely zero to terrorist acts in the USA, and had nothing to do with the attcks in France and Belgium? You also realise that Trump supported the said invasion of the Muslim nation?


  • #4220
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    This kind of stuff is the truly terrifying un-intended consequence of Trumps rhetoric..

    I don't for a second believe that in the cold light of day , Trump actually wants people commiting acts of violence etc. , he's just an extreme narcissist with absolutely no control over his thought process.

    However , there are enough mentally unstable people out there that will add together the 2+2 of Trumps vitriolic ramblings and come up with 5 leading to the very real risk of bombs and/or gun attacks on polling day or indeed post election acts of violence against a Clinton victory..

    It's a frightening thing to contemplate..

    Earlier in the campaign I might have agreed with you.However as Donald has been deliberately ratcheting up his rhetoric and has now plumbed depths even the most egregious of previous candidates wouldn't have dared to consider, I am no longer willing or able to give him any benefit of the doubt. Most especially considering that in the wake of Pussy-gate, and the attendant Republican renunciations, Donald declared that he was now free to campaign the way he wants. That indicates he had people advising him, telling him this sort of rhetoric was dangerous, and is now thankful that he is free to ignore this advice and engage in all the base instincts that he chooses.

    Whats-more it doesn't take above, or even average intelligence (of which we know Trump has a 'huge IQ') to know that undermining the integrity of an electoral process as a the candidate of a major political party in that election is ispo facto an incitement to violence. Moreover plenty of his own supporters, even relatively high profile ones have been actively calling for an armed insurrection.

    It is discomforting to think it but Trump really is the fascist nightmare he portends to be.


  • #4221
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    This has possible been the most talked about election ever.


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  • #4222
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is plausible now:

    http://www.270towin.com/maps/OO6jG


  • #4223
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Overheal wrote: »
    I wonder what will happen to SC, it's starting to go very pale in the predictions too..
    Latest poll from there by CNN/ORC has Clinton leading by 1.

    Edit: Sorry that's North Carolina.


  • #4224
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    Latest poll from there by CNN/ORC has Clinton leading by 1.

    Edit: Sorry that's North Carolina.

    538 are saying 83% likely to go Trump.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #4225
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Alaska is now in play for Hillary.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #4226
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,542 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I see Melania trump is saying Donald trump was "egged on" by billy bush. So they are throwing billy bush under the proverbial bus after what was said on the actual bus.


  • #4227
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    K-9 wrote: »
    Alaska is now in play for Hillary.

    Crazy isn't it? Would be the first time Alaska didn't vote for a republican. They became a state in 1959.


  • #4228
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Anyone see Paxman special tonight?

    A few nuts but mainly they focussed on Trump supporters voting for him based on change.

    The I know 'he's a mess but it's something different' line.

    That the direction of the country isn't OK with them.

    Now if he could stick to that and add a bit of showmanship without 'rigged, drug tests, rapists etc etc etc'

    Trumps biggest failing was his public speaking. He had to say stuff to stir up his predominantly white male crowds. But on the other end of the TV cameras were Latinos, African Americans and women and he lost them in doing so.

    His followers biggest failing is the nonsense they post trying to make it all true.

    You're doing a disservice to the campaign by posting stuff you know is false.

    In the second debate, the strongest moment for me of his entire campaign was the 'she's been there for 30 years' argument.

    If he had stuck to that and not been so obsessed with grabbing headlines for himself and attacking people, it'd be different.


  • #4229
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    gosplan wrote: »
    Trumps biggest failing was his public speaking.

    I think it might also have to do with the fact that he is a racist, a misogynist, a narcissist, a bully and perhaps a sociopath.


  • #4230
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,359 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Earlier in the campaign I might have agreed with you.However as Donald has been deliberately ratcheting up his rhetoric and has now plumbed depths even the most egregious of previous candidates wouldn't have dared to consider, I am no longer willing or able to give him any benefit of the doubt. Most especially considering that in the wake of Pussy-gate, and the attendant Republican renunciations, Donald declared that he was now free to campaign the way he wants. That indicates he had people advising him, telling him this sort of rhetoric was dangerous, and is now thankful that he is free to ignore this advice and engage in all the base instincts that he chooses.

    Whats-more it doesn't take above, or even average intelligence (of which we know Trump has a 'huge IQ') to know that undermining the integrity of an electoral process as a the candidate of a major political party in that election is ispo facto an incitement to violence. Moreover plenty of his own supporters, even relatively high profile ones have been actively calling for an armed insurrection.

    It is discomforting to think it but Trump really is the fascist nightmare he portends to be.

    Going on from what Quin_Dub and you talked about, Don has made some really stupid statements/passed some remarks sailing close to winding up people into stupidity. However people will plot & scheme to do things and others will make links between acts and speech after the fact, the links not really a factor in the plotting. The US edition of The Guardian newspaper reporting this about high school students who didn't succeed thankfully in their plotting. If they had, the media would probably have pilloried Don. I chanced upon the report while looking for Colorado voting polls.

    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj465ifgOPPAhXnDsAKHdJTCWgQFggdMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2016%2Foct%2F14%2Fnazi-facebook-group-alt-right-execution-jews-black-people-colorado-students-expelled&usg=AFQjCNHm7WWrCJa97m-RjzyDDfZqCw_L2Q


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    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-when-asked-by-fox-reporter-about-media-conspiracy-your-network-hasnt-been-great/

    Trump has no inner monologue, admitting that,

    "Someone else would say let's focus on jobs (which I do), let's focus on ISIS, let's focus on the 2nd amendment and judges of the Supreme Court Justices [sic], and I agree with that - but, I want the truth to come out"

    He has willfully bogged down his own campaign to rail on this sexual assault issue, because his ego is more important to him than his campaign.

    It's going to take no direct provocation from Hillary to watch him fly off on tangents on Wednesday night. He won't bother, if you ask me, even trying to stay on message, or otherwise do anything else that will save his campaign. I think he feels himself that it is lost now, and of course that's the case with the cries of conspiracies, claiming the vote will be rigged, claiming your opponent was doped for the debate. He has no interest in winning the campaign anymore, just in winning face.


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