UK Votes to leave EU

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 04:50PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Something you have a talent for.

Says a man who claims republicans mostly don't care about innocent life.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 04:52PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

No that kind of revenue stream is only for the big boys,any guess to the lobbyists in Brussels that are behind these regulations?!?....capitalism is reserved for the already winners it seems

If you want an unregulated market place and you think that is good governance then maybe the dark web is for you.
I have to comply with all the regs that govern my business as do people right across the country, big and small. It is tough to stay in business but I prefer it to chaos and the guy competing with me being able to knock out any old rubbish at the same price as me.

the evasion_kid · 15-10-2016 04:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you want an unregulated market place and you think that is good governance then maybe the dark web is for you.
I have to comply with all the regs that govern my business as do people right across the country, big and small. It is tough to stay in business but I prefer it to chaos and the guy competing with me being able to knock out any old rubbish at the same price as me.

In fairness the vaping industry has done a pretty damn good job of regulating itself in the last few years...without the help of the meddling EU

Anyways it's Showtime...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGeDX-6DINM

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 05:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have you a list Fred?

Bananas.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 05:09PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

In fairness the vaping industry has done a pretty damn good job of regulating itself in the last few years...without the help of the meddling EU

Anyways it's Showtime...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGeDX-6DINM

You think the 'little' guy is going to be protected better in the vision the Brexiteers have for the UK?

Pro Hoc Vice · 15-10-2016 05:10PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Bananas.

http://www.europarl.org.uk/en/media/euromyths/bendybananas.html

the evasion_kid · 15-10-2016 05:12PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You think the 'little' guy is going to be protected better in the vision the Brexiteers have for the UK?

Who's to know these things,couldnt be any worse than the mass youth unemployment across the EU the last few years,i wonder if it's any coincidence since the EU has stealthily turned more political

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 05:21PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Who's to know these things,couldnt be any worse than the mass youth unemployment across the EU the last few years,i wonder if it's any coincidence since the EU has stealthily turned more political

We, the Irish, should 'know' that lack of regulation or light regulation is a charter for the unscrupulous.

In saying that there are imo many many ways the EU could be better.

the evasion_kid · 15-10-2016 05:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We, the Irish, should 'know' that lack of regulation or light regulation is a charter for the unscrupulous.

In saying that there are imo many many ways the EU could be better.

They're not open to reform,just look what happened when the UK tried that...

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 05:45PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

They're not open to reform,just look what happened when the UK tried that...

You mean when Cameron went looking for a deal? Plenty of concessions/change there.

The EU is in need of reform, but leaving it and causing massive instability not just for your own people is the territory of the loon.
Exactly what those who are now about to pull the trigger on Brexit were saying during the campaign.

A Little Pony · 15-10-2016 05:49PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Todd Toddington III wrote: »

The dirty little untermensch in the colonies you mean? My oh my you have shown your true colours pony you filthy little racist you

Thats not racism at all. Clearly some countries were more civilised than others. Saying so is not racist. That Britain brought a higher level of civilisation to some parts of the world than they had previously is perfectly correct. Yes, there werent perfect, and made mistakes, many in line with the standards of the time. But overall, had a very positive influence in human rights, education, business models, legal structures, etc, from which many parts of the world still benefit today.

Correct. Of course it isn't racist. Its a bit like when Islam is criticized or mocked, it is racist apparently when in reality it isn't anything of the kind.

the evasion_kid · 15-10-2016 05:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You mean when Cameron went looking for a deal? Plenty of concessions/change there.

The EU is in need of reform, but leaving it and causing massive instability not just for your own people is the territory of the loon.
Exactly what those who are now about to pull the trigger on Brexit were saying during the campaign.

Would you not agree it should have been left as a trade agreement rather than the covert power grab we've witnessed the last few years? That never goes down well with the public

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 05:55PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Would you not agree it should have been left as a trade agreement rather than the covert power grab we've witnessed the last few years? That never goes down well with the public

We?
A covert power grab is by definition unseen. You have seen one, do explain.

And please, not the 'ze bad Germans' sthick again.

Capt'n Midnight · 15-10-2016 06:28PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

The cost of testing each product,which under the regulations have to be carried out as an importer as well as the manufacturer,theres talk of a licencing type thing going to happen too which will cost 3,000-8,000 per year depending on country.what they fail to to realise is by the time I buy a shipment of vaping devices pay the shipping and suppliers paypal fees,then our own gang of crooks in customs and revenue take their piece,paypal fees for when the public buy off you and then pay tax on the purchase, it most definitely isn't worth it,as a matter of fact they are only driving the cost of these things up! [/QUOTE

Also paypal sounds like you might be bypassing distributors who could verify you are receiving genuine products.

CBA looking up the Irish costs when the UK regulator isn't looking for that much. And that's per product rather than per reseller.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/20/the_vaping_crackdown_starts_today_this_is_what_you_need_to_know/

The Belgian regulator is asking producers for €4,000 for testing a liquid, and requiring separate procedures for each strength in a batch (2mg, 4mg and so on). Here the cost is £150 per batch, and that covers all concentrations in a batch, with an £80 registration fee.

but c'mon there's only 3 basic ingredients in these things that are cheap as chips to buy!

Cigarettes cost less to make than the carton.

TOBACCO prices have shown signs of buoyancy during the first 30 days of marketing, with an average daily price of US$2,82 per kilogramme,

Capt'n Midnight · 15-10-2016 06:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And please, not the 'ze bad Germans' sthick again.

http://asset-a.soupcdn.com/asset/16157/0629_af38_500.png

K-9 · 15-10-2016 06:45PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Again no problem with light regulation,speaking as an e-cig retailer and importer I'll be closing up shop,its a shame as I've never worked so hard and tirelessly setting something up! I remember reading one of those EU propaganda Facebook "helping small businesses" posts that pop up(Facebook seems to be full Of them these days!) You know the ones with the sock puppet accounts commenting "right on" "brilliant post" underneath them! Anyhooo there was one comment that stood out...."youd want to have your head examined starting a small Business with EU regulations"....it's only now I'm realising the profound wisdom in that comment

What EU regulations are the problem?

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 07:05PM

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

http://www.europarl.org.uk/en/media/euromyths/bendybananas.html

Whoosh

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 07:16PM

K-9 wrote: »

What EU regulations are the problem?

Bananas apparently.

maryishere · 15-10-2016 07:40PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Who's to know these things,couldnt be any worse than the mass youth unemployment across the EU the last few years

+1. There is close in 50% youth unemployment in big long term members of the EU like Spain for a good few years now...that alone shows that the EU is not working.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 08:33PM

maryishere wrote: »

+1. There is close in 50% youth unemployment in big long term members of the EU like Spain for a good few years now...that alone shows that the EU is not working.

The UK isn't leaving because of the youth unemployment in Spain.

catbear · 15-10-2016 08:40PM

Yes, the UK solution for unemployment called "working poor" is winning accolades all round.

maryishere · 15-10-2016 08:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The UK isn't leaving because of the youth unemployment in Spain.

It is leaving because the EC is not working, and it is leaving because it historically has been its second biggest net contributor and it has run out of patience with the wastefulness of the institution. Let Merkel accommodate the million migrants she invited in last winter....we here in Ireland have taken in 42 of them so far so we are doing our bit to help Germany:rolleyes:.

Calina · 15-10-2016 08:56PM

maryishere wrote: »

It is leaving because the EC is not working, and it is leaving because it historically has been its second biggest net contributor and it has run out of patience with the wastefulness of the institution. Let Merkel accommodate the million migrants she invited in last winter....we here in Ireland have taken in 42 of them so far so we are doing our bit to help Germany:rolleyes:.

The UK is leaving because the relevant prime minister was stupid enough to use a referendum to deal with an internal party issue. Almost half of those who voted see the EU as working. You are making statements which are nothing other than projection.

The current UK government is focusing on immigration which suggests they think people voted out because they wanted less immigration. Not because of the wastefulness of the union - it has a number of institutions by the way.

I think you know very little about the EU.

With respect to Merkel, the numbers coming to Germany have slowed considerably and started slowing before she made the comment about taking on board those who were already on the road. Here's a useful link which focuses on the data relating to the numbers coming. It's from Die Zeit but it is in English. http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2016-10/angela-merkel-influence-refugees-open-borders-balkan-route

In the meantime, the UK has done very little to address the fact that thousands of people are on the move from Syria and Afghanistan. My view is we could and should welcome a few more here. But Sweden, Germany have pulled their weight more. In this respect, it is not an EU failure but a failure of individual countries.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 08:56PM

maryishere wrote: »

It is leaving because the EC is not working, and it is leaving because it historically has been its second biggest net contributor and it has run out of patience with the wastefulness of the institution. Let Merkel accommodate the million migrants she invited in last winter....we here in Ireland have taken in 42 of them so far so we are doing our bit to help Germany:rolleyes:.

They are and were part of the institution. And happy to be members, Cameron wanted to stay in and fought a campaign to keep them in. May is reluctantly invoking Article 50 and many many people believe a second ref would copperfasten that.

greendom · 15-10-2016 09:11PM

maryishere wrote: »

It is leaving because the EC is not working, and it is leaving because it historically has been its second biggest net contributor and it has run out of patience with the wastefulness of the institution. Let Merkel accommodate the million migrants she invited in last winter....we here in Ireland have taken in 42 of them so far so we are doing our bit to help Germany:rolleyes:.

It is leaving due to a deluded sense of national pride. It believes itself to be bigger and more important than it actually is.

In an an ever more interdependent World to be cutting ties rather than encouraging them to flourish is senseless and stupid.

The problem is that its not only the UK that will suffer due to this ridiculous decision

maryishere · 15-10-2016 09:19PM

greendom wrote: »

In an an ever more interdependent World to be cutting ties rather than encouraging them..

Cutting ties? It will still want to trade with EU countries. And ties to non-eu countries, most of which of course have higher growth than the eu countries, will be strengthened.

greendom wrote: »

It believes itself to be bigger and more important than it actually is.

It is still a G7 country and has the 5th or 6th biggest economy in the world.

greendom · 15-10-2016 09:32PM

maryishere wrote: »

Cutting ties? It will still want to trade with EU countries. And ties to non-eu countries, most of which of course have higher growth than the eu countries, will be strengthened.

It is still a G7 country and has the 5th or 6th biggest economy in the world.

Much stronger and with more say on the World stage as part of Europe than on its own

It's a dwarf economically, next to the EU.

catbear · 15-10-2016 09:36PM

greendom wrote: »

The problem is that its not only the UK that will suffer due to this ridiculous decision

I'm becoming less inclined to this view. i had been worried before but while there's uncertainty for the UK, for everyone else there is the certainty that contingency plans have to be made and so in effect the world has already started moving on while the UKs gearbox is banjaxed and they've no breakdown assist.

FA Hayek · 15-10-2016 09:37PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

She also bemoans our republic tradition because there's a very British tradition of not respecting the traditions of other countries.

In fairness, our republican tradition is anything but republican in the real sense. Its more anti - English/British. If the Brits were a republic, we probably would have installed a King, just cause.

FA Hayek · 15-10-2016 09:43PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What does culturally European mean?

Non British? :pac:

UK Votes to leave EU

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