UK Votes to leave EU

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 01:07PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Inadvertent I think the article says.

Yes, somebody who barred all Jews from his investiture is wholly not responsible for inciting indiscriminate hate among the populace, all that is required for a pogrom.
Carry on there Fred.

Capt'n Midnight · 15-10-2016 01:25PM

maryishere wrote: »

One passport. Attitudes always vary within countries. The attitudes of people to say divorce would be a lot different in Ballsbridge to say Belmullet.

One passport , but NI holders of those passports have been banned from Great Britain. And all those Hong Kong people that found out that their passports weren't valid back in the UK.

Also there's multiple currencies issued by multiple banks. Yes they have the same nominal value but I've had to go into a bank in London to change NI money into the local currency since so few places would take it.

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 01:32PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes, somebody who barred all Jews from his investiture is wholly not responsible for inciting indiscriminate hate among the populace, all that is required for a pogrom.
Carry on there Fred.

Good lord.

The rumour was that he started the riots, but as the entire Royal court didn't speak English at the time it would be easy for the misunderstanding to take place.

You're mistaken Frank, let it go.

catbear · 15-10-2016 01:34PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

One passport , but NI holders of those passports have been banned from Great Britain. And all those Hong Kong people that found out that their passports weren't valid back in the UK.

Indeed during the war and for a decade after the CTA excluded the Island of Ireland, NI was treated the same as Ireland.

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 01:45PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

The Nazis didnt really. They did set out to exploit those and the land of those they considered fundamentally inferior. The British didnt. They believed their civilisation, society, and ecomony was a superior model alright, but that it should be shared with all and would be a step up for them.
There is little or no difference in the 'civilisation' of the 6 counties versus the 26 today. maybe marginally more civilised in the 6 if anything but the difference is negligible. In the past it was dramatic. The contrast between the areas within the pale and within the Belfast area, with those outside them, was huge.

The British didn't have an Indian in the colonial running of the country because "there wasn't an Indian fit for the job". The British certainly believed they were superior and exploited many countries.

NI is a step backwards to the republic in terms of sectarianism and economy.

catbear · 15-10-2016 01:55PM

The brits declared Australia Terra Nullas even though the locals were there for 60,000 years.

British civilizing meant removing people from the land that they actively managed, apartheid was adopted from Australia.

The civilization of the british colony only deigned to give the locals a vote in their own land in the 1960s.

indioblack · 15-10-2016 02:10PM

UK votes to leave EU.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 02:36PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Good lord.

The rumour was that he started the riots, but as the entire Royal court didn't speak English at the time it would be easy for the misunderstanding to take place.

You're mistaken Frank, let it go.

He excluded Jews from his investiture.
There is a reason the world now frowns on similar actions by heads of state - because it ferments hate and xenophobia.

Many many people point to Brexiteers being motivated/fermented/led with that same type of 'leadership'.
The leopard and it's spots and all that jazz.

Some apologists might call the results 'inadvertent'. But in my own lifetime I have never seen so many public expressions of xenophobia emanating from the 'green and sceptred isle' as I have in the last number of years.

the evasion_kid · 15-10-2016 02:43PM

Anyone seen the new EU regulations on vaping\e-cigarrettes..what an awful shower of sods...no wonder they lost the vaping communities vote in the referendum

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 03:09PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Anyone seen the new EU regulations on vaping\e-cigarrettes..what an awful shower of sods...no wonder they lost the vaping communities vote in the referendum

I'm no fan of many EU directives and actions. But I think most govs would have done similar to this.
I am a former smoker and now a vaper, using 24mg liquid.
I would like to see what is actually in my liquid tbh and I would welcome some regulation here even if it inconveniences me a small bit. At the end of the day it is a tobacco product.

the evasion_kid · 15-10-2016 03:14PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm no fan of many EU directives and actions. But I think most govs would have done similar to this.
I am a former smoker and now a vaper, using 24mg liquid.
I would like to see what is actually in my liquid tbh and I would welcome some regulation here even if it inconveniences me a small bit. At the end of the day it is a tobacco product.

Yeah light regulation,no problemo just not the type of overkill regulation the EU is known for,you can kiss goodbye to an industry that's flourished and countless small businesses will shut up shop,goodbye to 5 years of innovation too....also tobacco products my arse!

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 03:18PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Thats not racism at all. Clearly some countries were more civilised than others. Saying so is not racist. That Britain brought a higher level of civilisation to some parts of the world than they had previously is perfectly correct. Yes, there werent perfect, and made mistakes, many in line with the standards of the time. But overall, had a very positive influence in human rights, education, business models, legal structures, etc, from which many parts of the world still benefit today.

The British enforced the Indian caste system as it served their aims.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 03:18PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Yeah light regulation,no problemo just not the type of overkill regulation the EU is known for,you can kiss goodbye to an industry that's flourished and countless small businesses will shut up shop,goodbye to 5 years of innovation too....also tobacco products my arse!

It's not a tobacco product?

US regs will be tougher than the EU.

If the product is vouched safe after a number of years (I couldn't say that they are even though I use them) then I would expect regulation to lighten.

the evasion_kid · 15-10-2016 03:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's not a tobacco product?

US regs will be tougher than the EU.

If the product is vouched safe after a number of years (I couldn't say that they are even though I use them) then I would expect regulation to lighten.

Which one is your money on?..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-IKTu3u8U

Fortunately the UK were going to take a light approach to the regulations..at least common sense is prevailing

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 03:28PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Which one is your money on?..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-IKTu3u8U

Fortunately the UK were going to take a light approach to the regulations..at least common sense is prevailing

According to my supplier, so too will the Irish authorities.

It's a tobacco product, on the face of it, without the consequences of smoking. But who knows what the health affects are long term.
When I buy a bottle of liquid I would like to know that it's manufacture is regulated.
I welcome regulation of the food industry, it has improved the food chain dramatically and protects from abuses. Same with this product.

15-10-2016 03:50PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

ah "appeasement", the policy which British jingoists love to make excuses for.

maryishere wrote: »

Britain did all it could to prevent WW2...

Fratton Fred wrote: »

One if the proposed solutions to the annexation of the Sudetenland was a plebiscite, which the RBL offered to help police...

Q.E.D.

catbear · 15-10-2016 03:54PM

The world didn't need British civilisation but British greed needed the world.

First Up · 15-10-2016 04:03PM

As colonial powers go, the British weren't the worst. They almost always left behind a functioning public sector and decent education system. Former British colonies are generally still in much better shape than those of Belgium (who plundered everything) France, Spain, Portugal or Italy.

That however has nothing to do with the idiocy of Brexit.

indioblack · 15-10-2016 04:03PM

catbear wrote: »

The world didn't need British civilisation but British greed needed the world.

UK votes to leave world.

the evasion_kid · 15-10-2016 04:06PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

According to my supplier, so too will the Irish authorities.

It's a tobacco product, on the face of it, without the consequences of smoking. But who knows what the health affects are long term.
When I buy a bottle of liquid I would like to know that it's manufacture is regulated.
I welcome regulation of the food industry, it has improved the food chain dramatically and protects from abuses. Same with this product.

Again no problem with light regulation,speaking as an e-cig retailer and importer I'll be closing up shop,its a shame as I've never worked so hard and tirelessly setting something up! I remember reading one of those EU propaganda Facebook "helping small businesses" posts that pop up(Facebook seems to be full Of them these days!) You know the ones with the sock puppet accounts commenting "right on" "brilliant post" underneath them! Anyhooo there was one comment that stood out...."youd want to have your head examined starting a small Business with EU regulations"....it's only now I'm realising the profound wisdom in that comment

Larbre34 · 15-10-2016 04:06PM

World votes to evict UK

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 04:22PM

indioblack wrote: »

UK votes to leave world.

I think this thread has already departed.

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 04:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He excluded Jews from his investiture.
There is a reason the world now frowns on similar actions by heads of state - because it ferments hate and xenophobia.

Many many people point to Brexiteers being motivated/fermented/led with that same type of 'leadership'.
The leopard and it's spots and all that jazz.

Some apologists might call the results 'inadvertent'. But in my own lifetime I have never seen so many public expressions of xenophobia emanating from the 'green and sceptred isle' as I have in the last number of years.

He also excluded women, is he responsible for subsequent murders of women?

Are you seriously trying to use an event that happened 900 years ago to score points in a thread about the UK leaving the eu?

Jesus, little Irelanders will try anything.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 04:25PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Again no problem with light regulation,speaking as an e-cig retailer and importer I'll be closing up shop,its a shame as I've never worked so hard and tirelessly setting something up! I remember reading one of those EU propaganda Facebook "helping small businesses" posts that pop up(Facebook seems to be full Of them these days!) You know the ones with the sock puppet accounts commenting "right on" "brilliant post" underneath them! Anyhooo there was one comment that stood out...."youd want to have your head examined starting a small Business with EU regulations"....it's only now I'm realising the profound wisdom in that comment

Why would you have to go out of business? There is still a need for the product.
Do you accept that regulation of products that could possibly be harmful is necessary or should I or you be allowed to sell whatever we like?

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 04:28PM

If the pro Brexiteers or the posters who support Westminster no matter what it decides to do could post a list of the laws and regs that they would like to change when they get their freedom, that would be good. We could then judge if it is worth jeopardizing your economy and sterling to gain this freedom.

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 04:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We could then judge

Something you have a talent for.

the evasion_kid · 15-10-2016 04:39PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would you have to go out of business? There is still a need for the product.
Do you accept that regulation of products that could possibly be harmful is necessary or should I or you be allowed to sell whatever we like?

The cost of testing each product,which under the regulations have to be carried out as an importer as well as the manufacturer,theres talk of a licencing type thing going to happen too which will cost 3,000-8,000 per year depending on country.what they fail to to realise is by the time I buy a shipment of vaping devices pay the shipping and suppliers paypal fees,then our own gang of crooks in customs and revenue take their piece,paypal fees for when the public buy off you and then pay tax on the purchase, it most definitely isn't worth it,as a matter of fact they are only driving the cost of these things up! Like is said light regulation no problem but c'mon there's only 3 basic ingredients in these things that are cheap as chips to buy!

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 04:45PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

The cost of testing each product,which under the regulations have to be carried out as an importer as well as the manufacturer,theres talk of a licencing type thing going to happen too which will cost 3,000-8,000 per year depending on country.what they fail to to realise is by the time I buy a shipment of vaping devices pay the shipping and suppliers paypal fees,then our own gang of crooks in customs and revenue take their piece,paypal fees for when the public buy off you and then pay tax on the purchase, it most definitely isn't worth it,as a matter of fact they are only driving the cost of these things up! Like is said light regulation no problem but c'mon there's only 3 basic ingredients in these things that are cheap as chips to buy!

It isn't the function of the regularity authority to keep you in an unsustainable business though.

Are you supportive of regulation here at all? Testing etc? If you bring a product to market, should you be allowed to do that without any tests?

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 04:45PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Something you have a talent for.

Have you a list Fred?

the evasion_kid · 15-10-2016 04:47PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It isn't the function of the regularity authority to keep you in an unsustainable business though.

Are you supportive of regulation here at all? Testing etc? If you bring a product to market, should you be allowed to do that without any tests?

No that kind of revenue stream is only for the big boys,any guess to the lobbyists in Brussels that are behind these regulations?!?....capitalism is reserved for the already winners it seems

UK Votes to leave EU

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