Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Coogee · 09-10-2016 05:56PM

blackcard wrote: »

James Maher was solid at centre back but the best centre half I saw today was Joey Holden

Solid?? Padraig Walsh cleaned him, scoring 1-7 from play off him! Best club match I seen in years. End to end stuff. Tullaroan probably deserved to win in that they were more consistent over the hour. Two poor matches in park today. Village have not won a championship match in 6 or 7 years now.. Clara will take stopping.

Deathwish4 · 09-10-2016 06:36PM

Two pathetic quarter finals in the park today. First game was dire and the second one was so bad that I had to exit at half time.

brookville · 09-10-2016 07:05PM

Coogee wrote: »

Solid?? Padraig Walsh cleaned him, scoring 1-7 from play off him! Best club match I seen in years. End to end stuff. Tullaroan probably deserved to win in that they were more consistent over the hour. Two poor matches in park today. Village have not won a championship match in 6 or 7 years now.. Clara will take stopping.

To be fair his only back from a serious injury and marking one of the form players in the country.two desperate matches today mark kelly and luke scanlon the pick of the first match and bolger was very good for clara with lester.

kksaints · 09-10-2016 07:11PM

Tight ending in the Thomastown-Tullagher. Thomastown got a soft free to go ahead in the 5th minute of injury time in the second half. But Tullagher had one last chance from the puckout and Walter Walsh did a great solo and scored from a tight enough angle to draw the match, Not the greatest of matches especially the first half which was dire but it was exciting for the last 15 minutes.

Michael Kavanagh · 09-10-2016 08:20PM

St lachtains had the wining of it but left it behind the collision Maher was involved in slowed him down he has a long way to go get back up there.

09-10-2016 09:04PM

unrealtime wrote: »

Mentioning Clonmel and hurling in the same sentence is somewhat reckless

Seamus Kennedy and Theo English might disagree.

blackcard · 09-10-2016 09:43PM

Interesting fare between Glenmore and Ballyragget with the latter being in the lead up to late on. Joe Brennan got some nice scores as did Eoin Murphy but Alan Murphy was quiet. Ballyragget looked the better team though Glenmore missed a penalty and a late chance to score a winning point. Kevin Kelly did not start due to a hamstring injury, came on as a sub and lasted two minutes.
Luke Scanlon was the best on show during two disappointing matches in the park but needs to bulk up to be able to compete at inter county level.
Ballyhale and Clara look to be the best two at senior level with Tullaroan still favourites to win at intermediate level

dobbs2210 · 10-10-2016 12:14AM

blackcard wrote: »

Interesting fare between Glenmore and Ballyragget with the latter being in the lead up to late on. Joe Brennan got some nice scores as did Eoin Murphy but Alan Murphy was quiet. Ballyragget looked the better team though Glenmore missed a penalty and a late chance to score a winning point. Kevin Kelly did not start due to a hamstring injury, came on as a sub and lasted two minutes.
Luke Scanlon was the best on show during two disappointing matches in the park but needs to bulk up to be able to compete at inter county level.
Ballyhale and Clara look to be the best two at senior level with Tullaroan still favourites to win at intermediate level

Agreed with all of the above. Ballyragget looked to have the slight edge on Glenmore who heavily relied on Eoin Murphy for all scores. Joe Brennan got some nice scores but didnt get enough ball fed into him at all. Michael Brennan missed a terrible free on 21. Tullaroan will win the intermediate title.

Mark Kelly and Luke Scanlon were the two stand out players in 1st game which was a terribly poor game. Both Kelly and Scanlon were not on kilkenny panel this year which begs the question why not? Mark Bergin and Diarmuid Cody both on kilkenny panel and both were terrible today with Cody taken off he was that bad.

Village looked clueless and the positioning of Eoin Larkin in a deep midfield role which saw Jackie Tyrell and Larkin beside eachother for most of the game hitting a tonne of ball into a completely toothless full forward line was mind boggling. How the Village management did not see fit to shove Larkin into a more advanced role to full forward was incredibly strange. Village a very poor side. Gaels not much better. Gaels were very fortunate to get a lucky goal against the run of play approaching halftime. Clara v Boro another poor standard game with Dicksboro utterly shocking. Clara romped home by 15. Chris Bolger looked very lively and dangerous.

Ballyhale destroyed Mullinavat playing in second gear. Never had to break a sweat. TJ got a fantastic goal. Ballyhale look to be the team to beat.

Also just noticed Mooncoin had a great win over Emeralds in the junior championship yesterday. Mooncoin have a nice young team. Emeralds must be very poor to drop back and not even make a decent cut in their first year back at junior. Anybody at this game give a report?

10-10-2016 12:28AM

dobbs2210 wrote: »

Agreed with all of the above. Ballyragget looked to have the slight edge on Glenmore who heavily relied on Eoin Murphy for all scores. Joe Brennan got some nice scores but didnt get enough ball fed into him at all. Michael Brennan missed a terrible free on 21. Tullaroan will win the intermediate title.

Mark Kelly and Luke Scanlon were the two stand out players in 1st game which was a terribly poor game. Both Kelly and Scanlon were not on kilkenny panel this year which begs the question why not? Mark Bergin and Diarmuid Cody both on kilkenny panel and both were terrible today with Cody taken off he was that bad.

Village looked clueless and the positioning of Eoin Larkin in a deep midfield role which saw Jackie Tyrell and Larkin beside eachother for most of the game hitting a tonne of ball into a completely toothless full forward line was mind boggling. How the Village management did not see fit to shove Larkin into a more advanced role to full forward was incredibly strange. Village a very poor side. Gaels not much better. Gaels were very fortunate to get a lucky goal against the run of play approaching halftime. Clara v Boro another poor standard game with Dicksboro utterly shocking. Clara romped home by 15. Chris Bolger looked very lively and dangerous.

Ballyhale destroyed Mullinavat playing in second gear. Never had to break a sweat. TJ got a fantastic goal. Ballyhale look to be the team to beat.

Also just noticed Mooncoin had a great win over Emeralds in the junior championship yesterday. Mooncoin have a nice young team. Emeralds must be very poor to drop back and not even make a decent cut in their first year back at junior. Anybody at this game give a report?

How are James Stephens gone so bad in all honesty? You'd imagine with their facilities and numbers that they would be very very strong. Granted its a competitive championship. When did they last win the county? Around 12 was it?

dobbs2210 · 10-10-2016 12:55AM

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How are James Stephens gone so bad in all honesty? You'd imagine with their facilities and numbers that they would be very very strong. Granted its a competitive championship. When did they last win the county? Around 12 was it?

Won it in 11. Havant got past a quarter final since 2012. Very poor. No forwards. Eoin Larkin dragged them up front while Jackie kept them together at the back for past ten years but they simply cannot keep doing it. If you take Luke Scanlon out of the side today the Village would have been beaten by 10+ points. Players like two Cody's, Matt Ruth and David Walton just to name a few have simply not done it at all over the years. O'Loughlin Gaels will have to improve a lot if they harbour ambitions of winning county honours.

Comerman · 10-10-2016 10:43AM

dobbs2210 wrote: »

Won it in 11. Havant got past a quarter final since 2012. Very poor. No forwards. Eoin Larkin dragged them up front while Jackie kept them together at the back for past ten years but they simply cannot keep doing it. If you take Luke Scanlon out of the side today the Village would have been beaten by 10+ points. Players like two Cody's, Matt Ruth and David Walton just to name a few have simply not done it at all over the years. O'Loughlin Gaels will have to improve a lot if they harbour ambitions of winning county honours.

Very hard to see how Donnacha Cody was left on for the full game, any time he got the ball he either dropped it or his hurl and putting Larkin in corner forward for the last minute of the game seemed mental. Was he playing deep midfield/half back to make up for Jackies lack of speed on Kelly??

brookville · 10-10-2016 11:58AM

Also just noticed Mooncoin had a great win over Emeralds in the junior championship yesterday. Mooncoin have a nice young team. Emeralds must be very poor to drop back and not even make a decent cut in their first year back at junior. Anybody at this game give a report?[/quote]

I heard mooncoin won a penalty in the last minute and went for the goal and scored while only being a point down.callan had a big win over graig but mooncoin probaly favourites now.mooncoin themselves have being down their 2/3 years it's a very hard grade to come up out of

citykat · 10-10-2016 02:02PM

Comerman wrote: »

Very hard to see how Donnacha Cody was left on for the full game, any time he got the ball he either dropped it or his hurl and putting Larkin in corner forward for the last minute of the game seemed mental. Was he playing deep midfield/half back to make up for Jackies lack of speed on Kelly??

Presume they were hoping that he might snatch a goal for them similar to one he scored last year from the corner? Would agree with a lot of what has already been posted. Can't understand why they played him so deep in that second half; hitting ball into where he himself should have been. Village bar Larkin and Scanlon were abject. Scanlon in particular looked very comfortable at this level for a guy of his age. Still though looks a little light for inter county imo. Didn't have a programme yesterday and only realised Diarmuid Cody was playing when he reacted furiously while being taken off.
Given his prominence yesterday particularly in the first half and if he can keep it up for the rest of the season, you'd be hoping Kelly might get another crack for Kilkenny.

Boro were very poor and seemed to give up the ghost completely after the goal was scored. Even Gaffney, who is normally very accurate, was poor on the frees. Buckley was hobbling from practically the first tackle - there was a doubt about him playing at all. For a lot of the first half he seemed to be looking at the sideline for somebody to haul him off.
Wouldn't be as bullish about Clara as some. They were very average for long spells in that game. They were finding it as hard as the Boro to get scores. Bolger looked lively as he usually does. O'Shea was anonymous. Lester was his usual 100% effort and scored a great sideline from way out on the old stand side. Pender was rock solid in defence.
From what I have seen it's Shamrocks to lose yet again.

dobbs2210 · 10-10-2016 02:35PM

citykat wrote: »

Presume they were hoping that he might snatch a goal for them similar to one he scored last year from the corner? Would agree with a lot of what has already been posted. Can't understand why they played him so deep in that second half; hitting ball into where he himself should have been. Village bar Larkin and Scanlon were abject. Scanlon in particular looked very comfortable at this level for a guy of his age. Still though looks a little light for inter county imo. Didn't have a programme yesterday and only realised Diarmuid Cody was playing when he reacted furiously while being taken off.
Given his prominence yesterday particularly in the first half and if he can keep it up for the rest of the season, you'd be hoping Kelly might get another crack for Kilkenny.

Boro were very poor and seemed to give up the ghost completely after the goal was scored. Even Gaffney, who is normally very accurate, was poor on the frees. Buckley was hobbling from practically the first tackle - there was a doubt about him playing at all. For a lot of the first half he seemed to be looking at the sideline for somebody to haul him off.
Wouldn't be as bullish about Clara as some. They were very average for long spells in that game. They were finding it as hard as the Boro to get scores. Bolger looked lively as he usually does. O'Shea was anonymous. Lester was his usual 100% effort and scored a great sideline from way out on the old stand side. Pender was rock solid in defence.
From what I have seen it's Shamrocks to lose yet again.

How players like Conor O'Shea, Diarmuid Cody and Conor Martin are on the senior intercounty panel is beyond me. They are so poor at club level and are arguably even out of their depth at club level in some games.

I noticed young cody abuse the Stephens management when taken off alright which is very poor attitude.

Village lost the game on sideline by leaving their main marksman for past ten years so deep in midfield whole game hitting ball after ball into Donnacha Cody who looks finished. He could not win a ball, was dropping every ball. O'Loughlin Gaels are no great shakes either who got a goal against the run of play approaching halftime.

Agree on Clara. Look hot and cold. Look like a team stuttering along without hitting any real feign of form. Bolger looks the only real bright spark up front. John Phelan tries hard but is offering Clara little at full forward.

Shamrocks even without Michael Fennelly look as if they may not be stopped. The positioning of Mark Aylward and Shefflin in midfield seems to be a good move as both are good hurlers who distribute good supply to their forwards with Richie Reid and Holden very good in the Shamrocks half back line. Their full back line probably looks to be their weakest area.

Most games since the conclusion of the All-Ireland Senior hurling final have been of poor technical standard. All 4 senior quarter finals were very poor. Concerning and reflective of the lack of depth that exists within the kilkenny panel currently.

unrealtime · 10-10-2016 03:18PM

Unfortunately Mark Kelly exited himself from the senior panel this year - a big loss- but he has not been treated too well anyway

Noddy33 · 10-10-2016 04:24PM

dobbs2210 wrote: »

"How players like Conor O'Shea, Diarmuid Cody and Conor Martin are on the senior intercounty panel is beyond me. They are so poor at club level and are arguably even out of their depth at club level in some games.

I noticed young cody abuse the Stephens management when taken off alright which is very poor attitude. "

Agree with most of what Dobbs has to say. You mention your disbelief at how some of the guys are on the senior when not up to the required standard. The problem really and its something people need to accept and that the standard and strength of hurling in Kk is no where near like it use to pre 2010. There not too many lads out there who you would say are lording it at club level and deserve to be given a shot with the seniors.

John Walsh and Noel Mcgree are maybe just two lads for me who I would love to see tried but after thats its slim pickings. I know Mcgree was asked in few years ago and declined and Cody doesnt really do second opportunities but still like to see brought in. The worry for me is full back because we might have seen the end of Joeys full back days. If you looking at club games there no real outstanding other full backs out there that comes to mind to bring in. The best out of a bad pick for me would be Tom Aylward or James Gannon but size and height would be huge worry with Gannon.

I was at the Emeralds V Mooncoin and for drama this was an unbelievable game. Mooncoin won 3 penalties in the game and successfully converted one of them. By truth Mooncoin should have blown them out the gate as they missed some great chances in the first 10mins. Conor Martin and Taggy were very good as you would expect them to stand out at this level.

Was in the park yesterday and it think it is safe to assume that Diarmuid Cody was injured? He never even remotely got into the game where as atleast Donnacha tried to get stuck in. Looking at the village bench their options were limited so not surpised to see Donnacha playin. I thought they would have brought on Drennan for a goal threat But maybe stupidly they were saving him for the Junior match which was played afters last night. Scanlon is a huge prospect and they way he solos and glides past people is very similar to Larkin and he well able to pick his scores too.

Comerman · 10-10-2016 05:22PM

citykat wrote: »

Presume they were hoping that he might snatch a goal for them similar to one he scored last year from the corner? .

I agree but what got me was why did they wait until the last minute of the game? as others have said he was clearing the ball out of the half backs to his own"empty" position.

brookville · 10-10-2016 06:56PM

Noddy33 wrote: »

dobbs2210 wrote: »

"How players like Conor O'Shea, Diarmuid Cody and Conor Martin are on the senior intercounty panel is beyond me. They are so poor at club level and are arguably even out of their depth at club level in some games.

I noticed young cody abuse the Stephens management when taken off alright which is very poor attitude. "

Agree with most of what Dobbs has to say. You mention your disbelief at how some of the guys are on the senior when not up to the required standard. The problem really and its something people need to accept and that the standard and strength of hurling in Kk is no where near like it use to pre 2010. There not too many lads out there who you would say are lording it at club level and deserve to be given a shot with the seniors.

John Walsh and Noel Mcgree are maybe just two lads for me who I would love to see tried but after thats its slim pickings. I know Mcgree was asked in few years ago and declined and Cody doesnt really do second opportunities but still like to see brought in. The worry for me is full back because we might have seen the end of Joeys full back days. If you looking at club games there no real outstanding other full backs out there that comes to mind to bring in. The best out of a bad pick for me would be Tom Aylward or James Gannon but size and height would be huge worry with Gannon.

I was at the Emeralds V Mooncoin and for drama this was an unbelievable game. Mooncoin won 3 penalties in the game and successfully converted one of them. By truth Mooncoin should have blown them out the gate as they missed some great chances in the first 10mins. Conor Martin and Taggy were very good as you would expect them to stand out at this level.

Was in the park yesterday and it think it is safe to assume that Diarmuid Cody was injured? He never even remotely got into the game where as atleast Donnacha tried to get stuck in. Looking at the village bench their options were limited so not surpised to see Donnacha playin. I thought they would have brought on Drennan for a goal threat But maybe stupidly they were saving him for the Junior match which was played afters last night. Scanlon is a huge prospect and they way he solos and glides past people is very similar to Larkin and he well able to pick his scores too.

I agree with alot of what's being said the few matches I saw I thought scanlon,bolger,leahy and john walsh all stood out which wasn't suprising as we all know the potential they have but it's backs we need and definitely a safe full back but there's not many in the country let alone county.Joey is now at six for his club so id say we won't c him at 3 next year he'll probaly be at wing back.it's going to be intresting to c what he tries next spring.

JaffaP · 10-10-2016 08:18PM

Semi Final Draw:

The Rower v O'Loughlins
Clara v Ballyhale

Intermediate:

Tullaroan v Carrickshock
Thomastown/Tullogher v Glenmore/Ballyragget

Junior:

Callan v Dicksboro
B&W/Barrow Rangers v Mooncoin

dubcat51 · 14-10-2016 04:49PM

Looks like a trip to wexford to meet davys new crew

brookville · 14-10-2016 05:54PM

dubcat51 wrote: »

Looks like a trip to wexford to meet davys new crew

It's probably not the draw wexford wanted.I'd expect davy to get a bounce from his players and possibly get the likes of guiney and a few more back but they will probaly put a lot into trying to get promotion from 1b which won't be easy with galway and limerick.When will cody be ratified or will all the backroom team stay?

dubcat51 · 14-10-2016 10:32PM

Board will wait until cody decides what he is doing.cant see him going.actually looking forward to how we bounce back and to see what new players step forward.renewed season ticket yesterday.

blackcard · 15-10-2016 04:50PM

Entertaining match between Glenmore and Ballyragget with a one point win for the former after extra time. Ballyragget missed a great goal chance at the end but Glenmore probably were the better team on the day. Eoin Murphy was like a magnet to the ball for much of the match and landed three frees from over 95 yards. Joe Brennan was good with ball in hand. Overall, Glenmore will have to improve as they gave away too many goal chances. Ger Aylward came on as a sub but hardly touched the ball.

Cornerback1 · 15-10-2016 05:10PM

Could Scruff be an outfield option?

15-10-2016 05:14PM

blackcard wrote: »

Entertaining match between Glenmore and Ballyragget with a one point win for the former after extra time. Ballyragget missed a great goal chance at the end but Glenmore probably were the better team on the day. Eoin Murphy was like a magnet to the ball for much of the match and landed three frees from over 95 yards. Joe Brennan was good with ball in hand. Overall, Glenmore will have to improve as they gave away too many goal chances. Ger Aylward came on as a sub but hardly touched the ball.

Ballyragget have suffered some serious heartbreak since winning the Junior club All Ireland.

They've lost around 2 or 3 intermediate finals afair by a point or two? Clara who narrowly beat them one year went on and won the county the following year so it might indicate they could well hold their own if they could break the glass ceiling. Glenmore's stock seems to be on the rise again? How are Young Irelands these times? They seem to have fallen off the map

brookville · 15-10-2016 05:57PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ballyragget have suffered some serious heartbreak since winning the Junior club All Ireland.

They've lost around 2 or 3 intermediate finals afair by a point or two? Clara who narrowly beat them one year went on and won the county the following year so it might indicate they could well hold their own if they could break the glass ceiling. Glenmore's stock seems to be on the rise again? How are Young Irelands these times? They seem to have fallen off the map

It must be hearbreak for the bally boys.Kevin kelly obviously a huge loss.think its 3 county finals in 4 years they lost and beaten today in a quarter final by a point in extra time.young Ireland's are in the relegation final next week they've being here a couple of years ago but bet mooncoin in a replay if I remember correctly.like dunnamaggin and ballycallan who were winning senior finals 15 years ago it's a middle of the road intermediate team now

blackcard · 15-10-2016 06:26PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Could Scruff be an outfield option?

I am a great believer in playing the best players in their best position and Eoin is one of the best goalkeepers in the country. If he was to be played outfield,midfield would be my choice. He played well in that position both days against Ballyragget and scored some very good points. I am not sure that he has the engine that seems to be required of modern midfielders but can compensate with his scoring ability.

15-10-2016 06:31PM

blackcard wrote: »

I am a great believer in playing the best players in their best position and Eoin is one of the best goalkeepers in the country. If he was to be played outfield,midfield would be my choice. He played well in that position both days against Ballyragget and scored some very good points. I am not sure that he has the engine that seems to be required of modern midfielders but can compensate with his scoring ability.

He is the best, pure and simple. All neutrals and supporters of other counties would agree. He is phenomenal

Moosey15 · 15-10-2016 11:04PM

At both games and am convinced Murphy would be good enough out the field ,the problem of course is how to replace him ,he scored some outrageous points from way out the field both days and looks so composed...st pats like mayo ....they are good enough but just can't seem to get over the line ....feel they have the players to thrive and survive at senior......btw anybody have an opinion on his brothers free taking technique??to me it looked like every single free he takes is illegal....resting it on the bas for what seems like an age ......????

blackcard · 15-10-2016 11:16PM

Moosey15 wrote: »

At both games and am convinced Murphy would be good enough out the field ,the problem of course is how to replace him ,he scored some outrageous points from way out the field both days and looks so composed...st pats like mayo ....they are good enough but just can't seem to get over the line ....feel they have the players to thrive and survive at senior......btw anybody have an opinion on his brothers free taking technique??to me it looked like every single free he takes is illegal....resting it on the bas for what seems like an age ......????

DJ had a similar technique as had Eoin Kelly, Eddie Keher back in the day. Basically, if he is on your team, it is legal. If not, it is illegal. I have never seen a referee blow it up though. But, I agree that Alan Murphy's technique is borderline. It seems to rest on his hurl an age.

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