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UK Votes to leave EU

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  • #9272
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Nobody defended whatever collusion took place between loyalists and the security forces. However, some posters defended whatever collusion took place with the PIRA / INLA, on both sides of the border.


  • #9273
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    No. Even the UK is not one country.

    I am sorry, but it most certainly is one country. A united one. A trinity, both three, and one indivisible under God : England and Wales, Scotland, and (Northern) Ireland. A green and pleasant land.


  • #9274
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    No. Even the UK is not one country.

    One passport.

    You may as well say Spain is not one country, it is Basque, there are the Canaries, there is Catalonia...


  • #9275
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Well judging by the state of the UK at the moment I'd rather not go down that route.

    You did not answer the question: Did you see the article in the Irish times the other day? It was the same as the German media have been saying recently. Wolfgang Münchau: "Ireland may have to consider leaving EU"
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/e...g-eu-1.2823535


  • #9276
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    maryishere wrote: »
    One passport.

    You may as well say Spain is not one country, it is Basque, there are the Canaries, there is Catalonia...

    The UK is four countries. Each with very different attitudes to Brexit as we'll find out.


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  • #9277
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    The UK is four countries. Each with very different attitudes to Brexit as we'll find out.
    One passport. Attitudes always vary within countries. The attitudes of people to say divorce would be a lot different in Ballsbridge to say Belmullet.


  • #9278
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,083 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    maryishere wrote: »
    It will not be long until Europe turns on itself. Poland does not want to accept its share of the million refugees that Merkel invited in to Europe. Here in Ireland we too, what was it, 42 refugees this year so far? No wonder Germany despises us and our corruption, especially after the Apple tax ruling. When Greece and Spain and Italy and Portugal cannot keep borrowing more and more and more, and German workers refuse to keep working hard to keep the lazier southern Europeans in the style to which they have bvecome accustomed, you will see more and more countries leaving the red tape of the EU.

    But first and foremost we are seeing the last days of the empire that was named Britain.

    No German journalist is going to prevent that no matter how much attention he wants or newspapers he wants to sell.


  • #9279
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    He was writing about Ireland in the article : you should read it before you comment on it.


  • #9280
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    maryishere wrote: »
    One passport. Attitudes always vary within countries. The attitudes of people to say divorce would be a lot different in Ballsbridge to say Belmullet.

    OK but still 4 countries.


  • #9281
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,083 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    maryishere wrote: »
    He was writing about Ireland in the article : you should read it before you comment on it.

    Yes, I did read it and because it isn't based in any reality but is based on a patronising 'I know best' style favoured by some journalists, I don't rate or agree with it.
    I am also not the one using it to deflect from the thread subject, the ramifications of the UK leaving the EU


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  • #9282
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    OK but still 4 countries.

    That is a compliment of London that they respect the identity of the different parts of the UK. Very tolerant of minorities, the English are ( as many from minorities in Ireland in the past 100 years e.g. gay people or jewish people - who had to flee Ireland - have found out to their relief ).


  • #9283
    kingchess
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭kingchess


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    I am sorry, but it most certainly is one country. A united one. A trinity, both three, and one indivisible under God : England and Wales, Scotland, and (Northern) Ireland. A green and pleasant land.

    Is it three or four happy united countries?and did not 45 % of Scots vote to break up that happy union a few years ago?? And Northern Ireland?Was there not a low level civil war up to a few years ?? Refresh my memory why it is called united again??:rolleyes:


  • #9284
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,083 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    maryishere wrote: »
    That is a compliment of London that they respect the identity of the different parts of the UK. Very tolerant of minorities, the English are ( as many from minorities in Ireland in the past 100 years e.g. gay people or jewish people - who had to flee Ireland - have found out to their relief ).

    The underlying belief you have just exposed in that post is hilarious. I'm sure there are many more English who believe they rule the roost.


  • #9285
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    maryishere wrote: »
    That is a compliment of London that they respect the identity of the different parts of the UK. Very tolerant of minorities, the English are ( as many from minorities in Ireland in the past 100 years e.g. gay people or jewish people - who had to flee Ireland - have found out to their relief ).


    I literally don't know what you're on about.


  • #9286
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I literally don't know what you're on about.

    It was in reply to you who wrote
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    OK but still 4 countries.

    It is a tolerant democracy, one passport. If people need an embassy abroad, the Scotishman uses the same one as the Englishman or woman. But yet the 4 "countries" as you call them each have their own identities.


  • #9287
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,821 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Civilisation? Is that what we're calling subjugation, slavery, torture, famine, and mass-murder, these days?



    I think you'll find that was the US and the Soviet Union.

    That's exactly the type of jingoistic 'Britannia Rules the waves' bull**** mentioned above.

    Hmmn, without initial British resistance, Europe would have been overrun in both wars before the US had bothered to get involved.

    As regards the Russians, I seem to remember that they capitulated in the first one and conspired with Hitler to carve up Poland in the second one, giving him the confidence to start it all over again.

    That's just my take on it and each to their own.


  • #9288
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    josip wrote: »
    Hmmn, without initial British resistance, Europe would have been overrun in both wars before the US had bothered to get involved.

    As regards the Russians, I seem to remember that they capitulated in the first one and conspired with Hitler to carve up Poland in the second one, giving him the confidence to start it all over again.

    That's just my take on it and each to their own.

    Well said, and as regards Russia, we have the UK (inc some Irish sailors) to thank for their help in the 78 Arctic convoys bringing supplies to Russia in WW2, in very dangerous and difficult conditions. We can also thank the UK for standing up to Russia in the cold war : if these islands were split up in to 4 different countries, under independent administration, it is unlikely as effective a defense could have been made against Nazism and Communism in the 20th century. Just my 2 c worth.


  • #9289
    catbear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    josip wrote: »
    Hmmn, without initial British resistance, Europe would have been overrun in both wars before the US had bothered to get involved.
    Over run by what exactly? You know the Nazis admired the British, especially the way they halved the Irish population in the 19th cent.
    http://www.wienerlibrary.co.uk/domains/wienerlibrary.co.uk/local/cache/News___BoD_Defence.jpg450x642.27272727273.jpg

    The Nazis wanted what the British had, an empire.

    The British weren't defending values, they were defending what they had appropriated around the world.


  • #9290
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,821 ✭✭✭✭josip


    catbear wrote: »
    Over run by what exactly?

    A. The Germans.
    Congrats on reaching the 4,000 mark :)


  • #9291
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    catbear wrote: »
    Over run by what exactly? You know the Nazis admired the British, especially the way they halved the Irish population in the 19th cent.
    http://www.wienerlibrary.co.uk/domains/wienerlibrary.co.uk/local/cache/News___BoD_Defence.jpg450x642.27272727273.jpg

    The Nazis wanted what the British had, an empire.

    The British weren't defending values, they were defending what they had appropriated around the world.

    You could argue that for the first world war, but not wwii.


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  • #9292
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Extremist Brexiters clearly feel that there hatred is now ok, and are starting attack and abuse people who are in anyway not British to them:

    Racist hate crime is so out of control that even white British people are being attacked


    Its really rather sad, that so many Brexiter leaders simply refuse to condemn this and acknowledge it.


  • #9293
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    catbear wrote: »
    The British weren't defending values, they were defending what they had appropriated around the world.

    Actually they were defending values and democracy (from dictators like Hitler and Mussolini )....and as you are talking about " what they had appropriated around the world ":D, I think you will find that millions of people from those countries (Australia, New Zealand, India, Malta, Rhodesia, Canada etc ) directly or indirectly helped the allied war effort.


  • #9294
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    maryishere wrote: »
    Well said, and as regards Russia, we have the UK (inc some Irish sailors) to thank for their help in the 78 Arctic convoys bringing supplies to Russia in WW2, in very dangerous and difficult conditions. We can also thank the UK for standing up to Russia in the cold war : if these islands were split up in to 4 different countries, under independent administration, it is unlikely as effective a defense could have been made against Nazism and Communism in the 20th century. Just my 2 c worth.

    And now, again, the UK is resisting in the same way - the spirit of Autumn 1940 is not entirely extinguished. It wants to govern itself. Not negotiate with the Germans on how it will govern itself. It is GREAT nation. That does not need watering down, Eurofying, appeasement, compromise, hybridisation. It was becoming ensnared, but realised, before it was too late and it had become absorbed into the collective, that it could separate, detach, and be GREAT again. I tip my hat to you Sir.


  • #9295
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    wes wrote: »
    Extremist Brexiters clearly feel that there hatred is now ok, and are starting attack and abuse people who are in anyway not British to them:

    Racist hate crime is so out of control that even white British people are being attacked


    Its really rather sad, that so many Brexiter leaders simply refuse to condemn this and acknowledge it.

    There are still relatively few race crimes in the UK ; far fewer than in Germany or France.

    If we had three million immigrants here ( or 9 million before too long ) I think we would have plenty more "Racist hate crime".


  • #9296
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,083 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    And now, again, the UK is resisting in the same way - the spirit of Autumn 1940 is not entirely extinguished. It wants to govern itself. Not negotiate with the Germans on how it will govern itself. It is GREAT nation. That does not need watering down, Eurofying, appeasement, compromise, hybridisation. It was becoming ensnared, but realised, before it was too late and it had become absorbed into the collective, that it could separate, detach, and be GREAT again. I tip my hat to you Sir.

    They were only great because they pillaged and subjugated others. When they were stopped they went into decline. This current phase is part of that decline. The imminent coming to terms with reality.


  • #9297
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    And now, again, the UK is resisting in the same way - the spirit of Autumn 1940 is not entirely extinguished. It wants to govern itself. Not negotiate with the Germans on how it will govern itself. It is GREAT nation. That does not need watering down, Eurofying, appeasement, compromise, hybridisation. It was becoming ensnared, but realised, before it was too late and it had become absorbed into the collective, that it could separate, detach, and be GREAT again. I tip my hat to you Sir.

    That is literally mental. Even extreme republicans don't go on about great Ireland ect.


  • #9298
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    They were only great because they pillaged and subjugated others. When they were stopped they went into decline. This current phase is part of that decline. The imminent coming to terms with reality.

    And the great referred to the size relative to Brittany.


  • #9299
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    They were only great because they pillaged and subjugated others.

    They went to the aid of little Catholic Belgium in WW!, after it had been invaded and raped by Germany. And in WW2, they may have fought the axis powers, but they generally followed the Geneva convention, and were second to none when it came to human rights. Millions were proud to volunteer to fight alongside the UK from Australia, New Zealand, India, Malta, Rhodesia, Canada etc.
    Republicans here in Ireland done a lot to fight nazism...they sent Sean Russell and Dev sent a telegram of condolences to the German ambassador on the death of Hitler, as every other country around the world was still in shock over the Nazi concentration camps. Not Devs finest moment.


  • #9300
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,083 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    maryishere wrote: »
    They went to the aid of little Catholic Belgium in WW!, after it had been invaded and raped by Germany. And in WW2, they may have fought the axis powers, but they generally followed the Geneva convention, and were second to none when it came to human rights. Millions were proud to volunteer to fight alongside the UK from Australia, New Zealand, India, Malta, Rhodesia, Canada etc.
    Republicans here in Ireland done a lot to fight nazism...they sent Sean Russell and Dev sent a telegram of condolences to the German ambassador on the death of Hitler, as every other country around the world was still in shock over the Nazi concentration camps. Not Devs finest moment.

    They didnt build their empire on the back of pillage and subjugation?


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  • #9301
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    maryishere wrote: »
    Not Devs finest moment.

    Not Ireland's finest moment. We are the naughty child of these isles.


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