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UK Votes to leave EU

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  • #9392
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    Since the Brexit vote, we've seen a significant increase in the cost of these products. Adding 10 or 20p on our prices doesn't cover it, and our customers probably wouldn't accept a price increase greater than this in one go.

    The result is that we have to absorb it, but we can't do this indefinitely, so we will again have to increase our prices in the coming months, if costs remain at this higher price or increase further.

    Ultimately what I'm saying is that Brexit has caused our business to suffer, and our customers to pay more.

    In general though, are you, or your customers who did vote Brexit, feeling that this a price worth pay to take back control (or at least to have it in the near future) ?


  • #9393
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    When sterling was very strong, at around €1.40, did you get a reduction in your prices?

    Of course not


  • #9394
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    The Republic was ruled by the Priesthood for decades which people on this forum still complain about.

    We got rid of the colonists and we got rid of the priests.


  • #9395
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    RasTa wrote: »
    Of course not

    Bad negotiating. Have you negotiated a reduction due to the low price of oil, because shipping costs will be another big factor in imports.

    Then, if course, there's the fact that the wholesalers would have hedged their currency, so you shouldn't see a reduction until the new year.


  • #9396
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Fuaranach doesn't subscribe to any version of history, other than his own bigoted one.

    One if the proposed solutions to the annexation of the Sudetenland was a plebiscite, which the RBL offered to help police. They didn't offer Hitler any support at all.


    But Fauranach knows that, he just gets butt hurt when people speak the truth about Nazi collaborators in the IRA.

    Funny you would have a permanent quote in your posts from a man renowned for his hatred of Jews. So much so that the citizens of London went on a riot against them when it was rumoured he had ordered the killing of all Jews.

    Just saying. Be careful who you lie with! :)


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  • #9397
    Kotek Besar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Kotek Besar


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    I run a Chinese takeaway in northern England. The majority of our raw materials, such as meat, veg, spices etc are bought from a wholesaler who imports them mainly from abroad, largely from EU countries including beef from Ireland.

    Since the Brexit vote, we've seen a significant increase in the cost of these products. Adding 10 or 20p on our prices doesn't cover it, and our customers probably wouldn't accept a price increase greater than this in one go.

    The result is that we have to absorb it, but we can't do this indefinitely, so we will again have to increase our prices in the coming months, if costs remain at this higher price or increase further.

    Ultimately what I'm saying is that Brexit has caused our business to suffer, and our customers to pay more.

    This is just one example of one industry. I'm very sure this is mirrored elsewhere in other trades throughout Britain. So indeed, Brexit has already made the British people financially worse off. Things they buying inside the UK cost more. When they go abroad they get less for the pound and so things they buy abroad cost more too. And it's only going to get worse.
    Why don't you just get the produce locally? Or are you trying to do it on the cheap? You can always look at it like that. Support local farmers.

    LOL

    We are a Chinese takeaway not not some poncy health food shop. "Support local farmers" doesn't help our business or our customers to get the lower prices they demand.

    We buy our stock from the Chinese wholesalers, same as every other Chinese takeaway. They find the cheapest stock which is almost always from overseas. Beef from Ireland, pork from Poland, chicken from Brazil, rice from USA.

    "Are you trying to do it on the cheap" - sorry, think you have no idea on how business works.


  • #9398
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    A view the Nazis took too. Look at Northern Ireland under British rule and compare it to the Rep of Ireland, not under British rule. Which is regarded as more civilised?

    The Nazis didnt really. They did set out to exploit those and the land of those they considered fundamentally inferior. The British didnt. They believed their civilisation, society, and ecomony was a superior model alright, but that it should be shared with all and would be a step up for them.
    There is little or no difference in the 'civilisation' of the 6 counties versus the 26 today. maybe marginally more civilised in the 6 if anything but the difference is negligible. In the past it was dramatic. The contrast between the areas within the pale and within the Belfast area, with those outside them, was huge.


  • #9399
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,996 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    In general though, are you, or your customers who did vote Brexit, feeling that this a price worth pay to take back control (or at least to have it in the near future) ?

    Care to explain how control has been taken back? The UK has been making its own laws for quite some time now.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #9400
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Care to explain how control has been taken back? The UK has been making its own laws for quite some time now.

    OK, well not quite yet, but imminently, following the triggering of article 50 and the conclusion of the separation. At the moment, yes, it is still fully subject to common EU law, but will go through the legal process of transfering them to UK law and be able to dismantle such local laws as it sees fit. In the past, it couldnt do that. That is lack of control. It will shortly truly take back control.


  • #9401
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,996 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    OK, well not quite yet, but imminently, following the triggering of article 50 and the conclusion of the separation. At the moment, yes, it is still fully subject to common EU law, but will go through the legal process of transfering them to UK law and be able to dismantle such local laws as it sees fit. In the past, it couldnt do that. That is lack of control. It will shortly truly take back control.

    So you have no issues with EU laws being incorporated into the UK statute book?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • #9402
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    The Nazis didnt really. They did set out to exploit those and the land of those they considered fundamentally inferior. The British didnt. They believed their civilisation, society, and ecomony was a superior model alright, but that it should be shared with all and would be a step up for them.
    There is little or no difference in the 'civilisation' of the 6 counties versus the 26 today. maybe marginally more civilised in the 6 if anything but the difference is negligible. In the past it was dramatic. The contrast between the areas within the pale and within the Belfast area, with those outside them, was huge.

    The difference today to the time when you got 'educated' is that there is Google.

    http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/

    The great 'civilisers'. :rolleyes:


  • #9403
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Apart from the financial and science sector I don't think the UK has much to offerthe world.

    Ouch. And it's debatable that the financial sector is offering the world anything positive, unless helping rich people become much richer via avoiding paying a fair portion of tax is considered a positive offering.

    Possibly alone here I support tax harmonisation across the EU to end this officially-sanctioned tax dodging, including here. Hopefully with the British out the EU can return to the emphasis on social justice which marked it before it embraced the free market neo-liberalism of Thatcher, Reagan and their ilk. I look forward to Ireland becoming more culturally European/less culturally Anglocentric. The future!


  • #9404
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    So you have no issues with EU laws being incorporated into the UK statute book?

    I am not a lawer, but I gather that is the mechanism that is the best way of selectively removing the laws they dont want, keeping the ones they do, and modifying ones they want to modify. It sounds reasonable. You cannot simply wipe out whole sections of legislation from the last 40 years without ensuring you are not throwing out the baby with the bath water.
    It was never going to be an overnight transition, but at least being on that road, means that you are back in control of your own legislation again even if it takes time to transition to the status that you really want.


  • #9405
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Funny you would have a permanent quote in your posts from a man renowned for his hatred of Jews. So much so that the citizens of London went on a riot against them when it was rumoured he had ordered the killing of all Jews.

    Just saying. Be careful who you lie with! :)

    Almost.

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/this-day-in-jewish-history/.premium-1.545064?v=26EE2661118F69F1AE3F6232C9528339


  • #9406
    catbear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    The Republic was ruled by the Priesthood for decades which people on this forum still complain about.
    A priesthood established and funded by westminster as a bulwark against republicanism after the French revolution.

    The RCC were willing subcontractors to the British after they'd lost their influence in France.

    Religion was another powerful divide conquer tool of their asset stripping empire.


  • #9407
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,996 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    It was never going to be an overnight transition, but at least being on that road, means that you are back in control of your own legislation again even if it takes time to transition to the status that you really want.

    But we've always been in control of our legislation. We set our own tax rates, get involved in foreign wars and refuse entry to refugees among many other things. I don't get why Brexiteers keep saying the UK has no control. It's simply absurd.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #9408
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ouch. And it's debatable that the financial sector is offering the world anything positive, unless helping rich people become much richer via avoiding paying a fair portion of tax is considered a positive offering.
    Its a similar effort to Ireland on that point, just that we both employ different tactics to help the rich become richer. Pot calling the kettle black.


  • #9409
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I look forward to Ireland becoming more culturally European/less culturally Anglocentric. The future!

    What does culturally European mean?


  • #9410
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Almost.

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/this-day-in-jewish-history/.premium-1.545064?v=26EE2661118F69F1AE3F6232C9528339

    Almost what?


  • #9411
    Todd Toddington III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Todd Toddington III


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    British Colonialism was fine because it civilized places which needed it.

    The dirty little untermensch in the colonies you mean? My oh my you have shown your true colours pony you filthy little racist you ;)


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  • #9412
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    But we've always been in control of our legislation. We set our own tax rates, get involved in foreign wars and refuse entry to refugees among many other things. I don't get why Brexiteers keep saying the UK has no control. It's simply absurd.

    They dont say it has no control. They say it has partial control, some negotiable, some imposed on it by majority voting of the EU. Some it would agree with. But some it does not, or at least wants to determine alone, without reference to other countries. So it has partial control at the moment. Brexit will restore full control, taking back that part which at the moment lies in other EU capitals, and in Brussels and Strasbourg.


  • #9413
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Todd Toddington III wrote: »
    The dirty little untermensch in the colonies you mean? My oh my you have shown your true colours pony you filthy little racist you ;)

    Thats not racism at all. Clearly some countries were more civilised than others. Saying so is not racist. That Britain brought a higher level of civilisation to some parts of the world than they had previously is perfectly correct. Yes, there werent perfect, and made mistakes, many in line with the standards of the time. But overall, had a very positive influence in human rights, education, business models, legal structures, etc, from which many parts of the world still benefit today.


  • #9414
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Bad negotiating. Have you negotiated a reduction due to the low price of oil, because shipping costs will be another big factor in imports.

    Then, if course, there's the fact that the wholesalers would have hedged their currency, so you shouldn't see a reduction until the new year.

    He runs a single chinese take away, he doesn't hold any power over what his suppliers charge


  • #9415
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Almost what?

    Almost right.

    There's no suggestion that Richard Lionheart was anti Jewish, only that events around his coronation sparked riots against jews. I think we can safely presume he was strongly anti Muslim though.

    The fact his Crusades bled the country dry and people were having to borrow money to make ends meet didn't help, loans they were taking from Jewish money lenders. I guess you could say the Jews were the German bond holders of their day.


  • #9416
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Thats not racism at all. Clearly some countries were more civilised than others. Saying so is not racist. That Britain brought a higher level of civilisation to some parts of the world than they had previously is perfectly correct. Yes, there werent perfect, and made mistakes, many in line with the standards of the time. But overall, had a very positive influence in human rights, education, business models, legal structures, etc, from which many parts of the world still benefit today.

    They murdered, butchered, pillaged and subjugated people into the acceptance of their gifts, you mean?

    Of course there were benefits from colonialism but it should never negate the massive human suffering it cost. And we should never ignore any effort to put right the damage colonialism caused, not least here on this island.


  • #9417
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    RasTa wrote: »
    He runs a single chinese take away, he doesn't hold any power over what his suppliers charge

    Maybe not. But it does sound liken the wholesalers are profiteering.


  • #9418
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,833 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Ted_YNWA wrote: »
    It would be political suicide to leave & rejoin down the road. Isn't joining the Euro currency a prerequisite now for new members.
    The way they are going now they could just wait till the pound drops a bit further to parity and just peg it to Euro.


  • #9419
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,965 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Almost right.

    There's no suggestion that Richard Lionheart was anti Jewish, only that events around his coronation sparked riots against jews. I think we can safely presume he was strongly anti Muslim though.

    The fact his Crusades bled the country dry and people were having to borrow money to make ends meet didn't help, loans they were taking from Jewish money lenders. I guess you could say the Jews were the German bond holders of their day.

    Ah it was just a coincidence. Very good. Nicely deflected.


  • #9420
    catbear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭catbear


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    But we've always been in control of our legislation. We set our own tax rates, get involved in foreign wars and refuse entry to refugees among many other things. I don't get why Brexiteers keep saying the UK has no control. It's simply absurd.
    Indeed. In fact I distinctly remember in 2004 the UK admonishing Germany and France for not fully opening their Job market to the new eastern european states!


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  • #9421
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ah it was just a coincidence. Very good. Nicely deflected.

    Inadvertent I think the article says.


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