UK Votes to leave EU

ancapailldorcha · 15-10-2016 11:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Insufficient land area to support the population, it's as simple as that.

Proof?

15-10-2016 11:20AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Proof?

The second (deleted) line of the post you quoted!

Wanderer78 · 15-10-2016 11:21AM

catbear wrote:

Their colonial economic policies were not to benefit the local but to extract maximum value for profit in the home market.

That's strange, sounds very much like neoliberalism and free market economics!

ancapailldorcha · 15-10-2016 11:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The second (deleted) line of the post you quoted!

Don't know if you've noticed but World War 2 ended. We're not getting shelled by Germans anymore. We trade with them. It's better now.

15-10-2016 11:28AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Don't know if you've noticed but World War 2 ended. We're not getting shelled by Germans anymore. We trade with them. It's better now.

and the population of the UK is about 50% higher than it was 70 years ago but the land mass is the same, even with improvements in agriculture, the country, isn't big enough to be self sufficient in food.

ancapailldorcha · 15-10-2016 11:30AM

Deleted User wrote: »

and the population of the UK is about 50% higher than it was 70 years ago but the land mass is the same, even with improvements in agriculture, the country, isn't big enough to be self sufficient in food.

Alluding to world war 2 does not prove your claim.

15-10-2016 11:34AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Alluding to world war 2 does not prove your claim.

Can you prove that the UK can be self sufficient in food production!

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 11:36AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can you prove that the UK can be self sufficient in food production!

Apart from the financial and science sector I don't think the UK has much to offerthe world.

ancapailldorcha · 15-10-2016 11:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you prove that the UK can be self sufficient in food production!

Don't see why. I didn't make the original claim. The fact that you had to make a comparison with a period of widespread destruction and suffering suggests you can't back it up.

Kotek Besar · 15-10-2016 11:40AM

I run a Chinese takeaway in northern England. The majority of our raw materials, such as meat, veg, spices etc are bought from a wholesaler who imports them mainly from abroad, largely from EU countries including beef from Ireland.

Since the Brexit vote, we've seen a significant increase in the cost of these products. Adding 10 or 20p on our prices doesn't cover it, and our customers probably wouldn't accept a price increase greater than this in one go.

The result is that we have to absorb it, but we can't do this indefinitely, so we will again have to increase our prices in the coming months, if costs remain at this higher price or increase further.

Ultimately what I'm saying is that Brexit has caused our business to suffer, and our customers to pay more.

This is just one example of one industry. I'm very sure this is mirrored elsewhere in other trades throughout Britain. So indeed, Brexit has already made the British people financially worse off. Things they buying inside the UK cost more. When they go abroad they get less for the pound and so things they buy abroad cost more too. And it's only going to get worse.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 11:41AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Don't see why. I didn't make the original claim. The fact that you had to make a comparison with a period of widespread destruction and suffering suggests you can't back it up.

Not to mention the massive advances in the science and efficiency of food farming since WW2. The 1940's might as well be the dark ages in comparison.

And I agree, if you make a claim like the poster did it is up to them to produce some data to back it up. Otherwise we are in the realm of Wolfgang 'here is my latest opinion' Munchau.

15-10-2016 11:56AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Apart from the financial and science sector I don't think the UK has much to offerthe world.

Can't argue with that, places like China have massively upskilled in recent decades.
As things stand, China is following a similar trajectory to that of Britain in the 18th century and is well on the way to creating a global empire.

Just look at their overseas development programmes in Africa, as clear examples of empire building, just like the East India Company did 200 years ago.

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 11:57AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Apart from the financial and science sector I don't think the UK has much to offerthe world.

And you accuse my mask of slipping?

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 12:00PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The mask is slipping Fred.

So you think the IRA plotting with Nazis and hiding their spies was admirable?

I never took you for one if those people.

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 12:01PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

So you think the IRA plotting with Nazis and hiding their spies was admirable?

I never took you for one if those people.

Nice strawman. You said most republicans don't mind if innocent people get killed.

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 12:02PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And you accuse my mask of slipping?

I'll stand by it.

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 12:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sushhhhhhh! We only subscribe to the UK ratified version of history around these parts!

Fuaranach doesn't subscribe to any version of history, other than his own bigoted one.

One if the proposed solutions to the annexation of the Sudetenland was a plebiscite, which the RBL offered to help police. They didn't offer Hitler any support at all.

But Fauranach knows that, he just gets butt hurt when people speak the truth about Nazi collaborators in the IRA.

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 12:06PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Fuaranach doesn't subscribe to any version of history, other than his own bigoted one.

One if the proposed solutions to the annexation of the Sudetenland was a plebiscite, which the RBL offered to help police. They didn't offer Hitler any support at all.

But Fauranach knows that, he just gets butt hurt when people speak the truth about Nazi collaborators in the IRA.

But fred there were Nazi collaborators in Britain. Including members of the royal family. Ireland suffered far more from Colonialism than Nazism too. The Nazi's were subhuman but so were colonialists in their treatment of colonies.

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 12:09PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can't argue with that, places like China have massively upskilled in recent decades.
As things stand, China is following a similar trajectory to that of Britain in the 18th century and is well on the way to creating a global empire.

Just look at their overseas development programmes in Africa, as clear examples of empire building, just like the East India Company did 200 years ago.

I lived in Tanzania and seen the damage the Chinese have done. Unfortunately they're operating like a colonial power in Africa.

A Little Pony · 15-10-2016 12:20PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sushhhhhhh! We only subscribe to the UK ratified version of history around these parts!

Fuaranach doesn't subscribe to any version of history, other than his own bigoted one.

One if the proposed solutions to the annexation of the Sudetenland was a plebiscite, which the RBL offered to help police. They didn't offer Hitler any support at all.

But Fauranach knows that, he just gets butt hurt when people speak the truth about Nazi collaborators in the IRA.

It is true, all you have to do is look at De Valera after Hitlers death. Shame on the Irish state.

A Little Pony · 15-10-2016 12:22PM

Kotek Besar wrote: »

I run a Chinese takeaway in northern England. The majority of our raw materials, such as meat, veg, spices etc are bought from a wholesaler who imports them mainly from abroad, largely from EU countries including beef from Ireland.

Since the Brexit vote, we've seen a significant increase in the cost of these products. Adding 10 or 20p on our prices doesn't cover it, and our customers probably wouldn't accept a price increase greater than this in one go.

The result is that we have to absorb it, but we can't do this indefinitely, so we will again have to increase our prices in the coming months, if costs remain at this higher price or increase further.

Ultimately what I'm saying is that Brexit has caused our business to suffer, and our customers to pay more.

This is just one example of one industry. I'm very sure this is mirrored elsewhere in other trades throughout Britain. So indeed, Brexit has already made the British people financially worse off. Things they buying inside the UK cost more. When they go abroad they get less for the pound and so things they buy abroad cost more too. And it's only going to get worse.

Why don't you just get the produce locally? Or are you trying to do it on the cheap? You can always look at it like that. Support local farmers.

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 12:24PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

It is true, all you have to do is look at De Valera after Hitlers death. Shame on the Irish state.

People like yourself keep talking about Nazis while defending British colonialism. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 12:25PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Why don't you just get the produce locally? Or are you trying to do it on the cheap? You can always look at it like that. Support local farmers.

Local farmers rely on immigrants to do the jobs the locals won't do. Another way Brexit will affect the UK.

A Little Pony · 15-10-2016 12:25PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

It is true, all you have to do is look at De Valera after Hitlers death. Shame on the Irish state.

People like yourself keep talking about Nazis while defending British colonialism. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

British Colonialism was fine because it civilized places which needed it.

RasTa · 15-10-2016 12:27PM

I remember when I lived in Wolverhampton about 7 or 8 years ago, going into a chipper and it was £2 for a decent enough fish and chips and I couldn't believe it. Pint and a burger for £3.95.

These are the prices the brits are used to paying for their crappy food and no doubt none of it was local. Maybe the beef as that was spoons

A Little Pony · 15-10-2016 12:27PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Why don't you just get the produce locally? Or are you trying to do it on the cheap? You can always look at it like that. Support local farmers.

Local farmers rely on immigrants to do the jobs the locals won't do. Another way Brexit will affect the UK.

Why would locals not want to do a days work and get paid for it? Or perhaps it is the farmers preferring the immigrants as they can treat them like slaves.

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 12:27PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

British Colonialism was fine because it civilized places which needed it.

A view the Nazis took too. Look at Northern Ireland under British rule and compare it to the Rep of Ireland, not under British rule. Which is regarded as more civilised?

A Little Pony · 15-10-2016 12:29PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

British Colonialism was fine because it civilized places which needed it.

A view the Nazis took too. Look at Northern Ireland under British rule and compare it to the Rep of Ireland, not under British rule. Which is regarded as more civilised?

The Republic was ruled by the Priesthood for decades which people on this forum still complain about.

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 12:32PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

The Republic was ruled by the Priesthood for decades which people on this forum still complain about.

Including me. That's the difference. I have the ability to heavily criticise Ireland. Many posters cannot afford the same treatment to the UK.

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 12:34PM

Kotek Besar wrote: »

I run a Chinese takeaway in northern England. The majority of our raw materials, such as meat, veg, spices etc are bought from a wholesaler who imports them mainly from abroad, largely from EU countries including beef from Ireland.

Since the Brexit vote, we've seen a significant increase in the cost of these products. Adding 10 or 20p on our prices doesn't cover it, and our customers probably wouldn't accept a price increase greater than this in one go.

The result is that we have to absorb it, but we can't do this indefinitely, so we will again have to increase our prices in the coming months, if costs remain at this higher price or increase further.

Ultimately what I'm saying is that Brexit has caused our business to suffer, and our customers to pay more.

This is just one example of one industry. I'm very sure this is mirrored elsewhere in other trades throughout Britain. So indeed, Brexit has already made the British people financially worse off. Things they buying inside the UK cost more. When they go abroad they get less for the pound and so things they buy abroad cost more too. And it's only going to get worse.

When sterling was very strong, at around €1.40, did you get a reduction in your prices?

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