UK Votes to leave EU

Junkyard Tom · 15-10-2016 01:46AM

maryishere wrote: »

And where do many want to flee to? That great oppressive brutal regime which you despise so much, Britain.

Where do you get this shit from? Unlike you with your country I do not despise Britain. I want Britain and the British people to prosper.

Naw, just because you were indoctrinated with a one sided version of history

The lack-of self awareness you display is astonishing.

and not taught that there are 2 sides to every story

I would call that 'moral equivalence'. Are you not taught about logical fallacies and bad arguments? Are there two sides to the holocaust? I'd love to hear you make an argument for the Nazi side, for the laugh like.

I Feel sorry for you.

Save your pity for yourself. You've become a parody of yourself and have developed quite a reputation on these boards for your doublespeak prejudice and complete lack of self-awareness.

daithi7 · 15-10-2016 02:03AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

But to be fair, is the country that was once the mightiest empire in the world, the country that brought civilisation to much of the world, led the world in industry, trade, and technological and scientific invention, and bailed out continental Europe, twice, from its own family infighting, not entitled to take back control ?

Of course the UK is entitled to take back control of its own sovereignty, indeed all countries should have that right.

I don't have an issue with the UK having the right to take back control of it's own sovereignty at all. However,I do have serious issues with the UK exercising that right by leaving the EU , when clearly they, Ireland & Europe will all be significantly poorer because of this. Cos that's plain stupid!!

They're leaving the club, cos they're no longer such a significant presence in the now enlarged club, & as a result of this, they (& us) will be a lot poorer and the whole club will be somewhat poorer & less powerful I.e. it's a lose - lose scenario, and I really hate lose-lose outcomes.

Mal-Adjusted · 15-10-2016 02:24AM

Christ, this thread went to **** awfully quick

15-10-2016 02:32AM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Christ, this thread went to **** awfully quick

24 June to today... That's quick!

130Kph · 15-10-2016 02:39AM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Christ, this thread went to **** awfully quick

No, just ignore the republican degenerates. They try to take control every so often. But it’s best if everyone ignores them (basicly they are awful simpletons). You’ll get the hang of this after a while.

Brexit is still without merit...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

catbear · 15-10-2016 02:42AM

130Kph wrote: »

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

Christ, this thread went to **** awfully quick

No, just ignore the republican degenerates. They try to take control every so often. But it s best if everyone ignores them (basicly they are awful simpletons). You ll get the hang of this after a while.

Brexit is still without merit...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

In fairness Ireland completed its brexit.

130Kph · 15-10-2016 02:46AM

catbear wrote: »

In fairness Ireland completed its brexit.

This is a perfect example of no sense on da internet..........aka non-sense.

But have at it horse...!!

Junkyard Tom · 15-10-2016 03:12AM

130Kph wrote: »

(addressed to 'rEpublIcAns')....Eu eu eu eu YOU……This is supposed to be about Brexit.

Are you thinking your ‘victories’ against mary mean anything :D:D

But it IS satisfying to see you don’t even understand that fact :rolleyes::rolleyes:;):D:p:pac:

*cough* Ahu ahu ... bullsh**t cough* etc.

130Kph wrote: »

No, just ignore the republican degenerates. They try to take control every so often. But it’s best if everyone ignores them (basicly they are awful simpletons). You’ll get the hang of this after a while.

Brexit is still without merit.............................................................

130Kph wrote: »

This is a perfect example of no sense on da internet..........aka non-sense.

But have at it horse...!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B436avtEXzs

15-10-2016 04:40AM

maryishere wrote: »

I suppose you would still defend that traitor and low life creature Sean Russell, who tried to help the Nazis?

To do what?

15-10-2016 04:51AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

But to be fair, is the country that was once the mightiest empire in the world, the country that brought civilisation to much of the world, led the world in industry, trade, and technological and scientific invention, and bailed out continental Europe, twice, from its own family infighting, not entitled to take back control ?

Without or without the cooperation of the people it was 'brought' to is an irrelevance I suppose. I wish people would peddling this smug bullsh*t.

15-10-2016 04:52AM

catbear wrote: »

In fairness Ireland completed its brexit.

Maybe I'm missing something more obvious here but did you just compare Ireland taking back 26 counties to the UK leaving the EU?

Because I've read posts like that in the Guardian's comments and I was stunned.

Todd Toddington III · 15-10-2016 06:47AM

Lads could ye please avoid quoting maryishere so I don't have to read her strawmaning nonsense everytime you respond to her. Thanks

Fratton Fred · 15-10-2016 07:53AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To do what?

That's the big question u guess and thankfully we will never fully know. All we do know is that, like most republicans, Sean Russell was willing to sacrifice the lives of as many innocent men, women and children as was necessary to achieve his ultimate goal.

Quite a shameful piece of republican history was the emergency. Openly collaborating with Nazis, hiding their spies, helping them plan an invasion of Ireland. It really would be comical, if the possible outcome hadn't been so serious.

FA Hayek · 15-10-2016 08:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

St Patrick was an English or Welsh slave taken by the Irish back in the day, if the truth be known, all empires were built on the vanquishing of others.

You can't criticise one without understanding the fact that others were doing the same, the Irish included (think about the highland Scots)

Touche. Some people have a very holier than thou approach to Britain, as if Ireland is itself without blemish or if we had the same power and influence we would have been any better.

What ever about the little Englanders, which of course exist, what is funny is that in this thread we have many of the same people who constantly bang on about them, but when the mask slips they hate Britain the same way as the little Englanders hate the EU.

Pot Kettle

FA Hayek · 15-10-2016 08:17AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Save your pity for yourself. You've become a parody of yourself and have developed quite a reputation on these boards for your doublespeak prejudice and complete lack of self-awareness.

Ha Ha, as a passive observer to this thread it is clear you have hatred in your heart to 'da Brits'.

Kotek Besar · 15-10-2016 09:05AM

Butter up 58%. Sugar up 37%. Beef up 33%. Pork up 18%. Wheat up 17%. The list goes on

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/inflation-is-coming

The Rape of Lucretia · 15-10-2016 09:45AM

Todd Toddington III wrote: »

Lads could ye please avoid quoting maryishere so I don't have to read her strawmaning nonsense everytime you respond to her. Thanks

Well you see, you dont have to, whether posted, quoted or not.

It seems you are troubled by maryishere's posts, and, unable to respond to and rebut the posts if you disagree, you are doing the forum equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears not wanting to hear. Similar to people charging others of blasphemy or of offending them, when they have no rational come back to the post, but just want to shut it down and pretend it isnt there.
Really. Buck up.

tomwaterford · 15-10-2016 09:48AM

Kotek Besar wrote: »

Butter up 58%. Sugar up 37%. Beef up 33%. Pork up 18%. Wheat up 17%. The list goes on

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/inflation-is-coming

Tbh.....it's lunacy that Britain is not self sufficient in these anyway

Look at Russia. ....it thrived under the restriction and export ban from Europe and has changed the world markets globally in food prices

Admittedly it was coming from a very under developed and out dated agri culture industry

15-10-2016 09:58AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That's the big question u guess and thankfully we will never fully know. All we do know is that, like most republicans, Sean Russell was willing to sacrifice the lives of as many innocent men, women and children as was necessary to achieve his ultimate goal.

Quite a shameful piece of republican history was the emergency. Openly collaborating with Nazis, hiding their spies, helping them plan an invasion of Ireland. It really would be comical, if the possible outcome hadn't been so serious.

From your massive glasshouse your bigotry is showing again, Frederick. You've a very unhealthy obsession with Seán Russell. It's as if... as if... you're looking for a distraction from your country's six years of appeasement and collaboration with Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1939. How about getting obsessed with, for starters, the 17,000 British people who volunteered for the Royal British Legion's appeal to help Adolf Hitler "police" (occupy) the Sudetenland in 1938?

Ah "appeasement", the policy which British jingoists love to make excuses for.

maryishere · 15-10-2016 10:00AM

Deleted User wrote: »

. you're looking for a distraction from your country's six years of appeasement and collaboration with Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1939.

Britain did all it could to prevent WW2. War was eventually declared between the two countries. Extremely few people from Britain were traitorous enough to help Germany in WW2 or try to collaborate with them.
Contrast that with Republicans here, who sent Sean Russell. Even Dev stood alone in sending his condolences to Germany on the death of Hitler, after the millions who died in the concentration camps was revealed. Not Irelands finest hour having a pup like him in charge.

catbear wrote: »

In fairness Ireland completed its brexit.

Too true. We in Ireland are the ones who wanted out of the union with Britain 100 years ago (after the British had developed our infrastructure / built our fine buildings / harbours / canals, railways, lighthouses, given us our legal system etc - same as the development elsewhere in the world like Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc ). It was us in Ireland who wanted a border between us and the British. Economically we were a wasteland for most of the 20th century until the EEC /EC / EU, which we done very well out of, thanks to Germany and Britain, its main 2 net contributors. We can hardly complain if the British want to democratically leave the EU, after we violently wanted to leave the previous union. There is a limit to their patience and generosity.

What is interesting is what will happen next to Ireland, a few years down the line. The German newspapers are predicting an IRExit, partly because of the Apple decision and because we are viewed as a sneaky little offshore tax haven by the other countries in Europe, ...taking their EC / EU funds over the decades but denying them their tax. Thats how many others in the know say about us: for those who missed it, here is what Wolfgang Münchau / the editor of the financial times predicting IRExit in the Irish Times last week:
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/wolfgang-m%C3%BCnchau-ireland-may-have-to-consider-leaving-eu-1.2823535

ancapailldorcha · 15-10-2016 10:05AM

maryishere wrote: »

Too true. We in Ireland are the ones who wanted out of the union with Britain 100 years ago (after the British had developed our infrastructure / built our fine buildings / harbours / canals, railways, lighthouses, given us our legal system etc - same as the development elsewhere in the world like Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc ). It was us in Ireland who wanted a border between us and the British. Economically we were a wasteland for most of the 20th century until the EEC /EC / EU, which we done very well out of, thanks to Germany and Britain, its main 2 net contributors. We can hardly complain if the British want to democratically leave the EU, after we violently wanted to leave the previous union. There is a limit to their patience and generosity.

What is interesting is what will happen next to Ireland, a few years down the line. The German newspapers are predicting an IRExit, partly because of the Apple decision and because we are viewed as a sneaky little offshore tax haven by the other countries in Europe, ...taking their EC / EU funds over the decades but denying them their tax. Thats how many others in the know say about us: for those who missed it, here is what Wolfgang Münchau / the editor of the financial times predicting IRExit in the Irish Times last week:
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/wolfgang-m%C3%BCnchau-ireland-may-have-to-consider-leaving-eu-1.2823535

Are you actually serious? Do you believe this? Ireland was invaded and occupied by a sovereign power and you liken this to British charity. We've done well economically because of trade with the EU and foreign direct investment from US corporations who are availing of our low corporation tax, not British and German magnanimity.

IRext isn't going to happen out of some obsequious devotion to the UK you seem to think is widespread in Ireland.

Calina · 15-10-2016 10:09AM

maryishere wrote: »

The German newspapers are predicting an IRExit, partly because of the Apple decision and because we are viewed as a sneaky little offshore tax haven by the other countries in Europe, ...taking their EC / EU funds over the decades but denying them their tax. Thats how many others in the know say about us: for those who missed it, here is what Wolfgang Münchau / the editor of the financial times predicting IRExit in the Irish Times last week:
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/wolfgang-m%C3%BCnchau-ireland-may-have-to-consider-leaving-eu-1.2823535

Munchau is not the editor of the Financial Times; he's an associate editor. There is a difference. The actual editor of the Financial Times is Lionel Barber

Secondly, the German newspapers are not predicting an IRExit. Even the Munchau piece is not a prediction; it's a suggestion. You may want to obtain a dictionary and check out the difference.

Thirdly most people in this country do not want to leave the EU. The country benefited far more from EU membership than it has from British patronage.

One of the things which is required in international trade and foreign policy is an attention to detail and nuance. You demonstrate little grasp of that.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 10:13AM

maryishere wrote: »

Too true. We in Ireland are the ones who wanted out of the union with Britain 100 years ago (after the British had developed our infrastructure / built our fine buildings / harbours / canals, railways, lighthouses, given us our legal system etc - same as the development elsewhere in the world like Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc ). It was us in Ireland who wanted a border between us and the British. Economically we were a wasteland for most of the 20th century until the EEC /EC / EU, which we done very well out of, thanks to Germany and Britain, its main 2 net contributors. We can hardly complain if the British want to democratically leave the EU, after we violently wanted to leave the previous union. There is a limit to their patience and generosity.

What is interesting is what will happen next to Ireland, a few years down the line. The German newspapers are predicting an IRExit, partly because of the Apple decision and because we are viewed as a sneaky little offshore tax haven by the other countries in Europe, ...taking their EC / EU funds over the decades but denying them their tax. Thats how many others in the know say about us: for those who missed it, here is what Wolfgang Münchau / the editor of the financial times predicting IRExit in the Irish Times last week:
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/wolfgang-m%C3%BCnchau-ireland-may-have-to-consider-leaving-eu-1.2823535

One German journalist working for a UK paper is 'the German newspapers?
And he is 'associate editor' not editor, and about as pivotal to a newspapare as an 'executive producer on a movie (i.e. 'associate editor' is a meaningless title to impress the gullible) with a weekly column.

He is paid for an 'opinion'. And newspapers have to sell themselves.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 10:26AM

Just to demonstrate how the 'hero' of the minute can get his 'opinion' completely arseways precisely because he is paid for his 'opinion' here are two quotes from our hero du jour.

2006: Wolfgang scribbles:
"There is not the slightest danger of a break-up of the Eurozone. On the contrary, I expect the Eurozone to be exceptionally stable in the long run. Make no mistake, the Eurozone is here to stay".

and in 2008 Wolfgang was saying

“The probability of scenario four [eurozone break-up] cannot be zero or even close to zero. When the eurozone crisis broke out, the probability of failure was considered as small, but non-trivially positive. It is higher now despite the ‘whatever it takes’ pledge…My point is that if Germany is serious about limited liability – and I believe it is – the probability of a break-up is anything but tiny.”

I think Wolfgang's opinions should be consigned to the waste of trees bin. Nice pink paper though.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2016 10:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

From your massive glasshouse your bigotry is showing again, Frederick. You've a very unhealthy obsession with Seán Russell. It's as if... as if... you're looking for a distraction from your country's six years of appeasement and collaboration with Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1939. How about getting obsessed with, for starters, the 17,000 British people who volunteered for the Royal British Legion's appeal to help Adolf Hitler "police" (occupy) the Sudetenland in 1938?

Ah "appeasement", the policy which British jingoists love to make excuses for.

Sushhhhhhh! We only subscribe to the UK ratified version of history around these parts!

catbear · 15-10-2016 10:36AM

Britain's infrastructure abroad was for asset stripping.

Their colonial economic policies were not to benefit the local but to extract maximum value for profit in the home market.

Todd Toddington III · 15-10-2016 10:39AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Well you see, you dont have to, whether posted, quoted or not.

It seems you are troubled by maryishere's posts, and, unable to respond to and rebut the posts if you disagree, you are doing the forum equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears not wanting to hear. Similar to people charging others of blasphemy or of offending them, when they have no rational come back to the post, but just want to shut it down and pretend it isnt there.
Really. Buck up.

The joys of boards is I can choose to ignore whomever I wish too....Marys arguments are about as concise and intelligible as a bag of corners...She speaks imperialistic codswallop and so I choose to put all my fingers in my ears when it comes to her. Somewhat similar to yourself actually but don't worry, I have many fingers and I have 2 especially for you. Welcome to my glorious ignore list

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 10:55AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That's the big question u guess and thankfully we will never fully know. All we do know is that, like most republicans, Sean Russell was willing to sacrifice the lives of as many innocent men, women and children as was necessary to achieve his ultimate goal.

Quite a shameful piece of republican history was the emergency. Openly collaborating with Nazis, hiding their spies, helping them plan an invasion of Ireland. It really would be comical, if the possible outcome hadn't been so serious.

The mask is slipping Fred.

steddyeddy · 15-10-2016 11:08AM

My flatmate is a nice lady but is similar to Fred and others regarding colonialism. She has this view that any part of the former empire belongs to Britain and always should no matter what the cost.

She believes she should have a vote to decide whether the Scottish should be independent even if they vote for independence. It's a colonial attitude and defence of old ideas of empire that are offensive to half the world. It's also destructive to her own country as was evident in the delusions of the brexitiers.

She also bemoans our republic tradition because there's a very British tradition of not respecting the traditions of other countries.

15-10-2016 11:12AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Tbh.....it's lunacy that Britain is not self sufficient in these anyway

Look at Russia. ....it thrived under the restriction and export ban from Europe and has changed the world markets globally in food prices

Admittedly it was coming from a very under developed and out dated agri culture industry

Insufficient land area to support the population, it's as simple as that.
Just look at the WWII rationing that came into force when Britain couldn't import food anymore.

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